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I've got a ridiculous amount of tabs open on my iPad in Safari. Over
on the computer, over there, I've got an even ridiculouser amount of
open tabs on Firefox and similar on Chrome, on my linux machine
(which now turns out to be the get shit done machine, not this iPad,
who'd have guessed). What
I do is (and I assume everyone else does
the same, or what's the point) open a bunch of tabs on a topic, and
leave them there for future perusal and evaluation, as to whether I
formally want to engage in the procedure of the putting them in
history ceremony. Then a coffee or so later I rotate to another
entirely different topic, and do a similar thing, and before you know
it, I've about thirty more tabs waiting to be useful. I do go back to
them, and I do use them, and I do hunt for certain ones, and I do
close down the useless ones, but with a lot of things on the go I still
have more tabs open than the browsers seem to healthily anticipate
in their design. Sometimes, rarely, when nothing is going correct all
day, I might close them all down, mutter fuckit and go away for a
while. Later, before long, I've searched for similar topics, found
similar things and left a bunch of similar tabs open, and it starts
What I suggest is that there is no formal or architectural corner or
sharp edge or line in the gravel between a bunch of tabs open, and
the actual history you've been through, and the bookmarks you've
chosen to save. Obviously, the things I've got control over in terms of
intentional stigmergy are the bookmarks, and the bunches of tabs
left open for weeks. The history is kind of snooping and being rude
and following me around and even includes places I didn't go,
seemingly. Plus, the history feature is rarely useful, presenting the
last ten unrecognisable references to places you've been, and then
jumping to a totally different user experience for every single place
you've ever been all at once, named so you'd never guess.
What I'm suggesting is that using some level of machine learning,
have the browser realise which pages I'm treating as precious, or at
least having them open generates a preciousness indicating duration,
and integrating them into a sort of mixture of history and bookmark,
so that the tab needn't stay open. It could trawl through the tabs
left open and migrate them and let me know it has done this and
where it thinks they belong.
Thus it would let me keep fifty tabs open for weeks, but at any time
I might only have about five or ten actual tabs, the rest have
become proto-bookmarks with a 'special' history trail, just as visible
or available as they are as tabs (which is why I keep them as open
tabs instead of losing them in a bookmark heirarchy) but semi
Y M I Er browser add-on
Proposed a while ago... [pashute, Mar 19 2017]
Seems like this might satisfy both [Ian] and [hippo]. Unfortunately, it no longer exists, and even when it did exist, it was Mac-only and only meant for Wikipedia browsing. [notexactly, Mar 21 2017]
||I suppose the crux here is that I want to see it all. I want to
see everything pertinent to information trails I've
encountered for the current situations. Putting it in
bookmarks hides it away - no longer visible, no longer
irking or irritating or pestering me by being still there. It
has to be visible and very much within reach, almost too
within. Bookmarks does the opposite, it tidies everything
up and puts it away so that you can forget it. Tabs works by
embarrassment. The problem is that browsers haven't been
designed to have about fifty tabs open at once, and still
maintain sensible ease of use.
||I'm thinking Ian needs to step away from screens for a
few hours and close some things down. Don't try to think
of it all at once. Don't even look at it all at once. You'll
fry something. Maybe you already have? That could
||I sometimes just use folders and drag what remains of a few hours idea chasing into those.
||I've still got folders of whole groups of topics of the week
from years gone by, hidden in the bookmarks that I've never
||It'd be an interesting UI experiment to try and visually
blend or merge or graduate the view of tabs and bookmarks
- such that tabs that stay open for long enough drift into a
bookmarky end of a continuum.
||Part of the problem is having a linear 1-dimensional
strip of open tabs at the top of the browser window.
If instead you had a 2-dimensional 'tab cloud' this
might be more cognitively tangible.
||Maybe you could do it with a search term record feature. This would -
||1) Record pages visited into a specific folder.
2) Remember the search terms used (maybe multiple searches used for the folder)
||Thus the browser could offer - things you searched for in a similar vein last month. And internet mining is very much like that.
||True, and I do use tags a lot in preference to folders, but
there still has to be provision for visibility and reach. If I
have to search, it means the thing is already lost.
||I can stretch my Chrome browser across two monitors, total
of 4096 pixels width (each monitor is 2048x1152). I have a
lot of tabs open, but because of the total width, each tab
is wide enough for me to recognize something about its
||It is not uncommon for me to have over 2000 tabs open
in Chrome, across about 150 windows. I use an
extension called The Great Suspender to keep them
from taking up resources when I'm not using them.
Before I found that extension, I manually killed them
through the Chrome task manager when it got slow.
That's still part of my Chrome startup ritual: 1. Turn off
Wi-Fi. 2. Launch Chrome. 3. Click Restore. 4. Wait 20
minutes. 5. Open the Chrome task manager and kill
every tab process. 6. Turn Wi-Fi back on.
||This is why windows was developed to crash every few use-cycles, it stops people building up great swathes of information and thus so enburdening themselves.
||Then why does every major web browser have session
||Was just about to type up an idea about folders for browser
history when came across this. This is absolutely a real
||There are plenty of quite decent development tools downloadable for free. If you want something, get coding ...