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After the current war on whatever is over and done with, I feel there will be a new beat to the drum to which we all march.
Since it takes at least 5-10 years for an alternative music style to reach critical mass in the market we should start to develop the style now. Make it a world beat with
a laid-back steel band undertone and rhythm.
Let's give the new world a little lift along. Do your bit, and spread the word today.
Rods, surely you have all of the skills and connections to make this a reality?
this looks truly weird
http://www.positive...sm.org/tocapox7.htm
same name as UB's [po, Nov 03 2001, last modified Oct 05 2004]
Apocalypso by Robert Rankin
http://www.amazon.c...dos/ASIN/0385409435
Guncrazy: perhaps not. [sirrobin, Nov 03 2001, last modified Oct 05 2004]
Apocalypso Now
http://www.madblast.com/binladen.htm
Come Mr. Taliban, turn over bin Laden ... [arghblah, Nov 03 2001, last modified Oct 05 2004]
[link]
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Croissant. For the name alone, even. |
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There's a flaw in the logic here. Just because most mainstream musical genres are based on yesterday's alternative styles doesn't mean that all underground styles will become the mainstream soundtrack for a generation. Else we'd all have spend the mid-90s listening to Smiths copyists and fey Tallulah Gosh/Primitives/early Primal Scream-style C86 jangle-pop, or 30-second hardcore-thrash anthems, and the mainstream today would sound like some combination of Pop Will Eat Itself, Jesus Jones and The Wonder Stuff, at least in Britain. Or riot grrrl, or post-hardcore post-rock jazz fusion, or... |
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The mainstream is what the big record companies and broadcasters tell us it is, not the organic product of people making interesting music. You need an Apocalypso Steel Band Mind Control death ray pointed at the offices of BMG, Sony Music, etc. |
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And can you have a laid-back steel band, or any form of laid-back percussion? Even wind chimes make plenty of people homicidal, and don't get me started on glockenspiels (my sister used to play one. Aargh!) |
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[pottedstu], if everybody's doin' it the record companies will find a way to make a buck out of it. |
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The groundswell starts here. As for glockenspiels... There's one that's Jewish! And another with spots! |
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[po], I had a bit of a delve in that page you found... wooee! There's some seriously ambiguous messages coming out of that place. They seem to be a repository for PC bigotry. |
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I think we're all about ready for Afghan music. (I mean, there must have been some before the Taliban got their puritanical hands on the place.) |
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I wonder what you hear if you play the Bin Laden Beat album backwards? |
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Bassackwards
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I'm with complicated to a certain extent. I particularly enjoy Tommy Emmanuel. Absolute genius on solo guitar. I also like the smoothness of Mark Knopfler. Both of them impart a 'classical' structure to the stuff they do. I like the predictability of their music, as I do Pachelbel and Tchaikovsky. |
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As for making music myself? I have no idea of tone, so I don't see the point. I can listen, but I may as well be a blind man describing a sunrise if I were to try to sing. |
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Rods, perhaps Harold Budd is your next found Pearl - I'm guessing you've already entered the Dub Chamber of Bill Laswell. Kenny Burrell's guitar on 'Ellington is Forever' is not to be missed Bubba. I somewhat play a Wes Montgomery Jazz Guitar and a resonator (dobro) - sometimes a Ukelele while travelling - literally. Eventually I'll get a Martin. Commercially, I hope there is a shift to Folk music myself - it is the purest of the four I play - Blues, Folk, Jazz, R & B. |
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Three members. Three chords. Three minutes. That's all you need. |
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[DrBob], you don't need a drummer. Plenty of folk artists are quite successful despite the lack of drums. Or if you insist on having a drummer, your 3-piece band can include a drummer. Rush has remained a popular rock band for some time and has exactly 3 members, one of whom is their drummer. |
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[BigBrother]: You're forgetting that Rush had Hugh Syme hiding under the stage for a few years, until MIDI became nore reliable. Stupendous band though. (My band did a few of their songs.) |
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Drummer, bass guitarist, lead guitarist doubling on vocals. Granted an extra guitarist or two doesn't go amiss, but what else do you need? Apart from another guitarist, that is? B-) |
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That's my point - they don't need 'em, but all those three chord bands seem to have four members. |
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I've now got this absurd image of a large hairy fellow with a beard much bigger than DrBob's. He's tapping away on the second neck of his guitar on a set of drums the size of coffee Mugs, cups and demitasse cups with tiny drumsticks. They feed to an Under Floor Massive SubWoofer, where the operator, Quasibongo, sits bleeding from the holes where his ears used to be. |
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Apocalypso by Jimmy Buffet, from the FruitCakes album |
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Title pun baked by Fred Frith. |
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three people + rock = The Minutemen! |
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I like the sound of that guy, Quasibongo. How can I meet him?
...and good find on the link, po! |
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How about that Rods... I had refrained from mentioning Jah Wobble's 'The Light Programme'. He has come a long way. Best one man band guy I'm listening to these days is a pair of Jesse Fuller albums: 'San Francisco Bay Blues' and 'Jazz, Folk Songs, Spirituals & Blues'. Damn - he had it down. |
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UnaBubba, I can't see what is 'ambiguous' about the stuff at the site po linked. It is entirely news stories showing that religion is a crock. Good for them! What is this 'PC bigotry'? Mac worshipping? |
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i think complex music emerging from simple forms is the wayv of the future. (we all think one way or another...). If you take any interest in Wolfram or Cellular Automata, a little bit of imagination can help see a musically implementive direction ((yuk)) it's heading towards: essentially analyzing/composing music from a fourier transform of "patterns"... until we get that knack down, Real Interesting things to do in music are use complex time signitures (by complex, i mean in terms of factor/primeness sense; 4 is simply 2+2, (t+t), & 2 is simply 1+1, (z+z); wheras 5 is less simply interpretable as 3+2 Or 2+3 (h+k or k+h), & 3 can be interpreted as 2+1 or 1+2, etc. 7, 13, 17, are some rather complex numbers compared to our usual rhythmic divisions. thats what i mean by complex time signitures); overlapping different time sig.s to create rhythmic dissonance; non-12-tone pitches; evolving musical phrases (either melodically, rhythmically, or by way of effect ("timbrically" if you like)). |
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As for percussion, drum kits are almost obsolete, its just that most rockers dont realize it yet. Electronics will infest every aspect they can; all it takes is pioneers to demonstrate. There's no inherent good/bad value in any tool (i.e. computer, synth); i wish more folks agreed on this point. |
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