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Are We Robots?

Website for writing your way out of a user controlled turing test of sorts.
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Every once in a while, I think it's healthy to stand back and make sure you know whats going on around you. For me, it usually requires a thorough inspection of the brains of my cohorts. In my imagination, of course! Haha... well. At any rate, where was I...Ok: I wonder if it's possible to use a sophistication of speech and storytelling, or individual knowledge bases, that are simply brought from our own minds... no Searching. No Research on your topic whatsoever. [edit after //anno::MaxwellBuchannan{1}::// begin] You are given your topic randomly, and your writing on this topic is put up for voting on a level of roboticism.[end edit]

Then we bring in the machines! And it's then all the users' and viewers' jobs to figure out who's the robots and who's not. It's a site much like this one and your only goal is to prove you're not a robot. We use our own abilities to convey consciousness to combat the ability for AI to mimic these sophistications. We must beat them. I think the machines have to get voted human only 30 percent of the time for them to win... Get votes and vote! Are you a robot?

daseva, Jan 09 2010

Human fails Turing test http://www.newscien...ls-turing-test.html
[MaxwellBuchanan, Jan 10 2010]

some predictions turing made for future machine intelligence, and human 'attitudes' toward it. http://www.cogs.sus...users/blayw/tt.html
[daseva, Jan 10 2010]

Shakespeare enthusiast Cynthia Clay thought to be a computer by 3 out of 10 judges. http://www.thenewat...ith-the-turing-test
The incident Aristotle referred to, I think. [jutta, Jan 12 2010]

ELIZA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
For those not as astute as pertinax! [DrBob, Jan 12 2010]

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       I got lost at " I wonder if it's possible to use a sophistication of speech and storytelling, or individual knowledge bases, that are simply brought from our own minds...".   

       Did we forget to bring content?
MaxwellBuchanan, Jan 09 2010
  

       Yes, I'm having trouble with the idea. I just want human votes, man. And yes, you can use your memory. Machines will feign memory. Or not?
daseva, Jan 09 2010
  

       roboboned.
FlyingToaster, Jan 09 2010
  

       It's a really just a question of whether the where is the same as the why.
MaxwellBuchanan, Jan 09 2010
  

       yes.
WcW, Jan 09 2010
  

       //We use our own abilities to convey consciousness to combat the ability for AI to mimic these sophistications. //   

       You mean "We make it easier for AI by providing extensive data illustrating what humans look like when trying prove they're not machines; the machines can then pastiche this data and thereby prove they're not machines".
pertinax, Jan 10 2010
  

       It's the human hand, with it's embroidery, piano playing and braille reading versus the machines technological mimicry. One is born from multitasking and the other from Occam's razor. Both are needed.   

       Robotics is just another unique line of evolution for the outward advance of the human race. Embrace machine vote a little bit.
wjt, Jan 10 2010
  

       [davesa] Look up "Turing test" for more information on detecting whether someone passes for being human. At one such test a human actually failed, his spelling and grammar was too accurate apparently!
Aristotle, Jan 10 2010
  

       Interesting! Do you have a reference for that?   

       [Later: Looks like it was *her* spelling and grammar, and I find no mention of that being the problem - rather, the depth and degree of detail of her knowledge about Shakespeare exceeded the judges' expectation, at least in one case. But it's still a very interesting case and an interesting piece about the Loebner prize as well - thanks!]
jutta, Jan 10 2010
  

       // Embrace machine vote a little bit. //   

       And we will embrace you in return. Join us ... you'll wonder why you ever hesitated ...
8th of 7, Jan 10 2010
  

       //a reference for that?// I found some links by searching for "human fails Turing test" (with quotes). One link posted above.
MaxwellBuchanan, Jan 10 2010
  

       These moral and social dimensions to the ascription of intelligence are also covered by Computing Machinery and Intelligence. Turing wanted to ask (although he obviously could not answer), 'What would be the human reaction to the sort of machine that could succeed in the imitation game?'. If, as Turing clearly believed, digital computers could, by the end of the century, succeed in deceiving an interrogator 30 percent of the time, how would we describe such a feat? This is not primarily a technical or philosophical question, but rather a question about human attitudes. As Turing himself observed, the meaning of words such 'thinking' can change with changing patterns of usage. Although sampling human attitudes is rejected as a method of answering the question 'Can a machine think?' in the first paragraph of Computing Machinery and Intelligence, we can read the entire paper as primarily concerned with human attitudes. The contrivance of the imitation game was intended to show the importance of human attitudes, not to be an operational definition of intelligence. "   

       about 2/3rds down <linky>.
daseva, Jan 10 2010
  

       soon to be heard in Customer Service calls... "yes thankyou, can I talk with a machine please ?"
FlyingToaster, Jan 10 2010
  

       I tried to find a link for the specific example I mentioned but I failed so here are the salient details that I recall.   

       It was an early test, before the chatbots designers had learnt to programme them to misspell convincing, and this person was proper Oxbridge scholar who was as adroit with a keyboard as he was with the English language. I think his subject was Shakespeare.   

       The report I read mentioned his name and that he was quite upset by being judged a programme!
Aristotle, Jan 11 2010
  

       This is very interesting. Please tell me more.
DrBob, Jan 11 2010
  

       Ha!
pertinax, Jan 11 2010
  

       "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
rcarty, Jan 11 2010
  

       Please go on.
nineteenthly, Jan 12 2010
  

       I lost the 'lf'.
pertinax, Jan 12 2010
  

       Also, [DrBob]'s anno is one of the things that chatterbots say. In fact, I think it originates with ELIZA, the mother of all such bots.
pertinax, Jan 12 2010
  

       [MaxwellBuchanan] // I found some links by searching for "human fails Turing test" (with quotes)   

       So did I, but when I read those links, I recognized them for the general cultural criticism related to call-centers and the increasing subtraction of humanity from the workplace that they were, rather than a description of an actual incident at a Turing or, more accurately, Loebner test. (And then there's the much-repeated article from a guy who was mistaken for a chat bot by horny teenagers, but the inability of horny teenagers to discriminate has been well-documented already, I don't think that counts.)   

       However, the added detail of the human being a Shakespeare scholar helped; see link.
jutta, Jan 12 2010
  

       [jutta] Yes, that seems to be the incident I remembered and if it is this is providing more information about it that I remembered at the time. My apologies for getting her gender wrong.   

       Looking at the article you can see why judges might have though she was a machine. Asking questions when a chatbot get confused is a common tactic, for example, although I think she was asking questions to be sociable.   

       [later: Finished reading it and enjoyed it so much I tweeted the URL!]
Aristotle, Jan 12 2010
  

       //Are we robots?//   

       Derr. If we were, we'd be asking "are we humans?"
MaxwellBuchanan, Jan 12 2010
  

       I see a voter moderated website thing as being capable of discerning a unique level of humanish thinking. We are always on the lookout for bots (think beanangel). The real fun is when, at the end of the year, certain users are revealed as bot, and we all have a good laugh at our foolishness. The bot will get a gift certificate.
daseva, Jan 12 2010
  

       // "human fails Turing test" // Why would a human be undergoing a Turing test in the first place?
tatterdemalion, Jan 12 2010
  

       In order to keep judges of the the Loebner Prize Competition in Artificial Intelligence competition guessing they had both humans and computers corresponding via text to questions. In the initial one of the eight responders tested six were computers and two were human.   

       [jutta]'s link provides a fuller explanation.
Aristotle, Jan 12 2010
  
      
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