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I can't claim all the credit for this idea, a friend of mine actually came up with it while we were having dinner together in a large whorehouse. Anyway, the idea is rather than having those silly, giggle inducing lectures about "growing up" and "becoming an adult" and other daft euphemisms, just take
the boys to a good brothel instead. Ideally they would be accompanied by an experienced, slightly seedy, teacher who could provide tips on proper brothel etiquette etc.
The students would learn all about correct technique and such like, become more confident around women, and would be much less concerned about the whole issue of sex in general, which would let them divert more of their attention towards their studies. As my friend put it "if I had slept with a dozen women before I turned 18, I'd be a different man!"
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http://www.suntimes.../gauteng/aneg08.htm
A male brothel aimed at women, if you believe their employees' claims. This is extremely rare, though. (Male brothels are easy to find, but their clientel tends to be male as well.) [jutta, Jul 22 2001]
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I notice that this idea says nothing about the education of girls. What information about societal prejudices may we draw from this fact? |
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Take the girls there too. They can then make the decision whether they want to learn from the professionals, or stay at home and learn about what men want from the movies. Me and my friends learned from 'Dirty Dancing' and Kevin Costner's Robin Hood. We're still trying to find the truth. |
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I'm not sure that you'd get very good teachers, as the prime criterion for the oldest profession is economic need, not ability. |
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I do think that it would be a good thing (though one that will not happen in the U.S. within my lifetime) to have sex ed programs that actually educate about sex, and not simply STDs and birth control. |
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I think this idea's a classic example of the hoary old double standard. "Men should go to prostitutes so that they can master sex. Women should either wait for marriage (when they can learn all they need to know from their husbands) or else become prostitutes themselves." Not quite in those words, but the fact that the original idea excludes girls (though lewisgirl's anno includes them) and legitimizes the (usually)coercive and demeaning prostitution of women seems suspicious. |
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Well, I could be wrong. Usually am, in fact. |
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//"if I had slept with a dozen women before I turned 18, I'd be a different man!"// |
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Yes, he'd most possibly be one of the millions with herpes or dying of AIDS. Shame we can't grant him his wish....... |
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Dinner in a whorehouse? How about a dining ed class? |
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The reason this idea refers to schoolboys and not schoolgirls is that I've never heard of such a thing as a brothel for women, so it wouldn't be possible to have a "brothel ed class" for girls. Furthermore, I think teenage boys, being more distracted from their studies by sexual musings, have more to gain from the experience than teenage girls do. |
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And the point of it isn't so much to teach how to be an expert lover, although any small degree of technical skill would be a huge improvement over what most posess at that age, but rather to demistify the whole topic of sex and bring it down to earth. I'd much rather see boys learn about it this way than go off and make their similarly inexperienced teenage girlfriends pregnant. |
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Looks like Mohandas Gandhi had a humbling experience.
One day, during a lesson on proper grammar, the teacher asked for a show of hands from those who could use the word "beautiful" in the same sentence twice. First, she called on little Suzie, who responded with, "My father bought my mother a beautiful dress and she looked beautiful in it." "Very
good, Suzie," replied the teacher. She then called on little Michael. "My mommy planned a beautiful banquet and it turned out beautifully," he said. "Excellent, Michael!" Then, the teacher called on little Johnny. "Last night, at the dinner table, my sister told my father that she was pregnant, and he said, 'Beautiful, ... just f#@king beautiful!'" |
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Susen: Are you saying that BertieWooster's friend deserves to have a fatal disease just because he wishes he had slept with a dozen women when younger? Nice. |
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They don't "let" random men insert their penis. They charge good money for it. I know I have walked out of many strip clubs with an empty wallet wondering what happened while the dancers walked out with loads of cash and smiles on their faces. Were prostitution legal in my area, it would have been those ladies who got my money instead of the dancers. Who's demeaned by that transaction, the lady who goes home at the end of the day with a few hundred dollars in her pocket, or the working blokes who end up scratching for money to pay the bills? Taking the boys to a brothel would teach them a valuable lesson, no matter how much money you make, the women get it. |
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If I pick up a woman at a bar and we have sex, is she demeaned also? Why is it demeaning if they make money at it? What about a regular date? It's OK for me to spend a sum of money on dinner and a movie with hopes of getting sex afterwards, but not OK to cut right to the chase and just pay for the sex? I've never paid for sex out of fear of getting caught, had it been legal I surely would have. I found it far more demeaning to spend all the time and energy trying to pick up women and then trying to convince them to drop their panties. Sure, there were one-nighters, but often it was a matter of several dates and significant amounts of money before attaining the desired goal. The brutal truth is, you pay for ALL sex. Whether you pay for a date, buy it outright, or put a gold ring on her finger, you're spending money for the honor of wetting your wick. Nine times out of ten, it's cheaper and less frustrating to just rent her for a few minutes and be on your way. That's a fact they don't teach in sex ed. |
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Quick Clue: It's actually not OK to spend a sum of money on dinner and a movie in the hopes of getting sex afterwards. It is in general demeaning to treat a person as a means to an end, rather than an end in themselves. This is covered in a standard Philosophy 101 course. Look up Immanuel Kant or the Categorical Imperative for a more complete understanding of this concept... |
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People.. These feelings of anger about prostitution and men who want to sleep with many women before they can grow a moustache must be carefully dissected before we go throwing around the word demean. |
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The problem that I see is ideas toward women in general -- "any woman can get laid whenever she wants; It's us men who have to work so hard to get a little; considering that this is what all women, given the choice, would do anyway, no matter how much money you make, the women get it; you're spending money for the honor of wetting your wick." |
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If people want to make sex business, then let them. Hey, we're "free" anyway, right? If someone wants to sell it, let them, it's theirs to give away. More power to those women/men prostitutes. They choose their path and they profit. |
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My opinion on why most women get angry is because of the stupid ideas (above in quotations) that some very close-minded people have toward the female gender. If you want to buy sex, do it, but don't base your opinion about our entire gender on those experiences or on the trials and tribulations of a sad, horny loser trying to get laid. |
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...and just think... we thought the womens' movement was over. We thought we were equal... As long as we cater to stereotypes about most "schoolboys" and "schoolgirls" we're backing it down a notch. |
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Yes, and very funny joke about the whole bring class to the strip bars or whatever. I'd like to see the big eyes on those boys/girls whatever. |
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so long and thanks for all the fish |
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I don't know what you think you can learn from someone would fake an orgasm if you scratched your ear. |
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I'm sure most women would agree that ice-creams aren't so attractive after half the town has already had a lick, the cone may have had a lot of experience but I for one wouldn't want to touch it....uhhhh...probably not the best analogy but there ya go. |
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//just rent her for a few minutes and be on your way// |
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Male prostitutes do exist, probably because women have met too many men with attitudes like this, who never learn the importance of foreplay. |
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Copy, paste. I don't know if those were your words or not. The point was not to bash you or say that men are bad for liking sex. Sex is good. Both sexes must enjoy it or we would die off. I didn't say prostitution is bad. I'm all for legalizing it. I'm saying that your ideas about what women like/want are so completely skewed, it's like you learned about them from reading a stupid "romance novel." The things I copied and pasted are gigantic stereotypes. They are entirely wrong if you are trying to describe all women. In a sense, harboring those thoughts is "against women." It's like prejudice or racism -- it's called sexism. |
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WikdWaze, show me evidence behind your theory that many women go into prostitution because they like having sex with many partners. In turn, I will show you evidence that many women are in fact coerced into prostitution by abusive men. (I am currently producing Bottom Bitch, a play written by a friend of mine, that explores the reasons women go into prostitution and the life they lead once they do. ) |
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Fact: pursuing a woman for sex is not necessarily using her as a means for an end. However to suggest that "The brutal truth is, you pay for ALL sex. Whether you pay for a date, buy it outright, or put a gold ring on her finger, you're spending money for the honor of wetting your wick. Nine times out of ten, it's cheaper and less frustrating to just rent her for a few minutes and be on your way. " is to suggest that women are a means to an end... |
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//Fact: Many, many women (I never said "all") enjoy frequent sex. Many of these women become prostitutes.// |
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i am amazed and astounded and ...and... you think prostitutes do it because they enjoy it?? how old are you? |
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Such a scheme was proposed around 1800 by the French architect C-N Ledoux for the town of Chaux. The venue was called the 'Oikema' or 'Temple of Sexual Instruction' and was shaped like a giant phallus in plan. Needless to say it wasn't built... |
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Sometimes it's better to keep your fantasies to yourself. When I was not much younger than you, Captain Kirk has this water filled glass tank in the middle of the bridge that....I never talk about either. |
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WW, I get the feeling that you have not yet found out that women are the same species as yourself. |
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may I ask, have you actually had a sexual encounter yet..is this all conjecture? |
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//We need to do something to remove the stigma from intercourse.// |
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What stigma? Go and have a cold shower then stand in the corner and think about what you've done. The air is too thick with teenage hormones already. |
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//The male does whatever is necessary to prove his worth to the female.// |
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Bless - what a delightful notion. Methinks a supposed 'relationship' between 'payment' and 'sex' does not a causation make. |
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What exactly would you need to learn that you'd have learnt better from a prostitute? The best lovers I've had are ones who've had only the barest number of long-term relationships with women, go figure. |
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A high libido per se doesn't guarantee chemistry, or indeed good technique. But perhaps I'm just happier getting the quantity from a quality purveyor... |
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This is either hilarious or tragic, and I can't decide which. |
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//And Mrs. Wikd would really get a kick out of the derogatory comments aimed at my prowess.// |
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You shouldn't kick her too hard, she might deflate. |
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prostetution was recently legalised in new zealand,and a short time after it was proposed that 13-14 year olds would be able to have sex if they were within 2-3 years of each others age aqnd this law was almost passed by parliment vote,in fact if i remember cxorrectly there was only 2-3 votes in it when in factb this had already been the policy of the nz police but because of the publicity this matter has just recieved ,this is no longer the case,buts thats beside ther point,prostetutes are expensive, and schools wont be able to fund this.
so.alas
a fishbone |
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[Andrew1] almost said:
"Prostitution was recently legalised in New Zealand, and a short time afterwards it was proposed that 13-14 year olds would be able to have sex if they were within 2-3 years of each other's age and this law was almost passed by parliament. In fact, if i remember correctly, there were only 2 or 3 votes in it when in fact this had already been the policy of the NZ police but because of the publicity this matter has just recieved. This is no longer the case, but that's beside the point, prostitutes are expensive, and schools won't be able to fund this. So, alas, a fishbone"
I think proving the point that before we spend money on brothels we should invest money on basic education of all kinds. |
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Somehow I like the concept of having dinner in a whorehouse. A black tie affair, maybe. Gaudy baroque furnishings abound. Large breasted serving wenches pouring wine from amphoras and that kind of thing. No sex, though - doesn't really befit a dinner party. |
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[BertieWooster] I think you've been watching too much "Pretty Woman". Most schoolkids wouldn't have that kind of blow, so the reality would be more like a harried sex-ed teacher presiding over a busfull of schoolkids kerb-crawling for crack-whores. Funny though! |
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