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Guns need to be registered so why not bullets? Each bullet purchased could have a unique serial numbers stamped on the casing. A shell left at the scene of a shooting where no weapon has been found would lead back to whoever purchased that ammo.
The only problem would be with stolen ammo, but the
same problem applies to gun registration too so it's kind of moot.
Another bullet registration idea
Traceable_20Ammunition
[lurch, Jul 15 2009]
turns out, this is Baked.
http://www.ammuniti....org/Technology.htm
[21 Quest, Jul 15 2009]
Apparently it's been mentioned in fiction, at least, which makes it...
http://www.google.c...as_nhi=&safe=images
...preheated, at least in my book. [normzone, Jul 16 2009]
It's very Baked
http://www.nraila.o...ts/Read.aspx?id=227
Fear the government that fears your guns. [Bdsman64, Jul 16 2009]
Crime rate in Texas
http://en.wikipedia...n_the_United_States
7th most violent state [simonj, Jul 17 2009]
[link]
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This bullet has your name on it! Wait, no it has -my- name on it... |
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Bone for making ammo more expensive. Also, given the number
of bullets produced each year, the numbers would be too long
to fit on the shell casing. [-] |
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There are billions of bullets produced each year. Billions. |
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[marked-for-deletion] redundant. |
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This idea could make me exceedingly rich. All I would have to do is be just a bit dishonest. Personally, I view that as the mark of a really, *really* bad idea. |
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Actually, I was wrong about the numbers being too long. Apologies! Apparently, your idea is quite Baked! (see link) |
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I'll withhold the MFD, because I've never heard of this, and found it Googling "how many bullets are produced each year?" |
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Turns out, over a billion are sold each year in the USA alone. God bless America! |
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[lurch] I'm intrigued, how could you make money from this idea?? |
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Cartridge cases are soft. They have to be, to allow the case to deform and seal the chamber; to be able to crimp and hold the bullet prior to firing, yet deform enough to release it without failing and allowing the high-pressure gasses to vent rearward (which can spoil your day something fierce). |
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Bullets are also soft, to allow the metal to upset into the form of the rifling, allowing the spiral grooves to get a grip on the bullet and spin it for stabilizing. |
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Thus, it would be very easy to rework the cartridges - either bullets or cases - to remove, deface, or change the numbers marked upon them. |
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This part may seem off-topic, but it's not: I have a neighbor who is Hispanic. About two years ago he converted his garage into a pair of apartments. He'll have about 15-20 tenants for about 2 weeks, then none. Then 15-20 new tenants, and so forth. |
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He was ecstatic when he found out this spring I was selling my old '77 pickup. I thought it odd that he was willing to pay me $8000 for it - I had to ask why. He said that particular model was very easy to take the VIN and serial numbers off of. |
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So I gave it to the Kidney Foundation. |
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The technology to do this near-tamperproof is there, there have been many calls for it, but it will never happen, as |
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A: much of the small-arms trade lives off supplying shady militia in poor countries, and being able to trace the way of a bullet back to the manufacturer/distributor would kill this trade. |
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B: It would make bullets slightly more expensive, and with all the for-fun gunnery going on, that's like trying to raise gas prices (oh, wait...) |
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C: Weird ideological reasons |
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Bun for making ammo more expensive [+] |
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Obtain a handful of someone else's spent bullet cases. (I'd imagine you can pick them up quite easily at shooting ranges, though I'll admit I've never been to one.) Go out and shoot someone; pick up your own spent cases and scatter the purloined ones on the ground. |
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Of course you would still be leaving your DNA at the scene of the crime. |
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Isn't there prior-art for this (indirectly) in "Who framed Roger Rabit"? |
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Taking it to the next level, people could have custom monogrammed ammunition. |
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Having a policy of never shooting unless it's clearly justified, I would have no objections to having my initials on my brass. |
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As a matter of fact, that's a whole idea I'll have to go google and search to see if I'm the first (link) |
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Okay, so that's not going to work. How about when a politician wants to exploit the fervent gun votership (read: gun nuts - note that I don't consider myself one), they distribute ammunition with their smiling face on it. |
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"A vote for me is a vote for free ammunition". |
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Since homeloading is a fairly simple process, the idea wouldn't work. |
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It's very easy to cast a solid lead slug. It may not fly very straight, but at pistol ranges that doesn't make a whole lot of difference. So the projectiles can be "unmarked". |
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Legitimately-fired shell casings could be harvested from a range and reloaded - serial number becomes useless. And if you use a revolver, there's no spent cases ejected anyway. |
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//Legitimately-fired shell casings could be harvested from a range //
Not too many of those in the UK. |
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//A shell left at the scene// |
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So a murderer would load a cartidge with a serial number into a gun, kill someone with it and then leave the case at the scene? Only the really stupid ones. |
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Simple. Just make it illegal to remove empty cases from a crime scene. <slaps forehead /> |
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//Only the really stupid ones. |
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yeah well, there are a lot of those. |
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//Taking it to the next level, people could have custom monogrammed ammunition. |
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this is awesome. 'You have been tagged by Snoopy Dogg' |
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//Fear the government that fears your guns. |
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I don't fear your guns, just your bullets. |
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Slightly off topic, The Canadian government decided a few year ago that every firearm in Canada had to be registered by suchandsuch a date at a cost of x amount of dollars and that owners would be required to possess a certain certificate at x amount of dollars or the ownership of said weapons would be deemed illegal. |
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Now I'm a fair shot and I have a few guns given to me by relatives. I have never killed anything with any of these guns but knowing myself to be one of the good guys and seeing that this was no more than a money grab and frankly just not a right I am willing to give to my government without so much as a refferendum or by-your-leave, I ignored this ultimatum.
Now you have to understand that Canadians by and large are a bunch of sheep when it comes to making waves, like the fact that, legaly, we don't have to pay income tax, we volunteer a portion of our income to the government in order to fund the WWII effort and just never stopped, by the time you take provincial and goods-and-service tax into account it works out to over fourty percent of our income. |
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I was only one of about eighty some percent of gun owners in Canada to say, mmmmmno, no we don't.
So then there was an amnesty, same costs of course, for all us evil doers to conform, and that same percentage said, mmmmmmno, no we don't.
Then they decided to drop the costs and that same group of us still told them, very politely of course, to pound sand up their arses. I had never been as proud of my fellow sheep. I also made a point of buying quite a large amount of ammo for these weapons before any of these laws took effect. |
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If you make it illegal to own weapons then only the bad guys will own weapons. |
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I know that has nothing to do with tagging ammo, but bullet registry would just create a market for stolen bullets. |
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//If you make it illegal to own weapons then only the bad guys will own weapons//
Are you suggesting that our police are bad guys? |
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//Then they decided to drop the costs// - i was with you right up to this point - why do you still refrain from registering? |
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//Are you suggesting that our police are bad guys?/ |
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I would never suggest such a thing...that could get a guy shot.
I never gave much thought to the U.S. Right To Bear Arms until our government began this registry. After a bit of reading I learned that the state with the lowest crime rate is Texas.
You can't hold up a bank in Texas, fifteen people in line are packing, and that nice little old lady you try to rob at knifepoint'll just shoot you.
They made it illegal here to carry a knife with a blade longer than six inches, so now only bad guys are carrying large knives.
They made it illegal to carry a concealed weapon, so now only the criminals have them.
It is wrong to deny people the right to defend themselves. |
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//why do you still refrain from registering?// |
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That's a good question and not one I have a satisfactory answer for.
Mainly I'd have to say it just plain feels wrong.
It is just one more freedom being nanny stated away from our citizens. I hold our government accountable to the people, not the other way around, for them to arbitrarily decide to pass laws without input from those they are meant to 'serve' then I feel, and apparently I'm not alone, that it is our duty to resist.
For them to over night declare me a criminal and demand money from me to remain law abiding is blatant extortion and I'll no more give into it than I used to give up my lunch money to bullies even if it means taking some lumps.
I will disassemble my guns, pack them in grease and bury them before cowing. |
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It just doesn't feel right. |
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//I would never suggest such a thing...that could get a guy shot.//
Only if you're an illegal immigrant. |
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// //I would never suggest such a thing...that could get a guy shot.//
Only if you're an illegal immigrant.// |
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wrong country: in canada illegal immigrants usually end up as caretakers in syndicated grow-ops (residential houses turned into marijuana farms) and are taken into custody peacefully. They shoot you if your just visiting, or mentally challenged, or native, or running away. |
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and that [2fries] is why you don't register: when the cops show up for a noise complaint or traffic ticket, they'll shoot you because they "know you are armed". |
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I am just sooo fucking proud to be Canadian sometimes >_< |
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I own very few firearms... but i'll be damned if i'm gonna make it easier for the feds to take 'em away. Let's think about this for a mnute... if the government ever does decide to outlaw guns completely, they're probably going to expect everyone who already owns them to hand them over, and expect us to say "thank you sir, may we have another?" |
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If every gun is registered, that means they'll be able to simply go through the database, see who's got guns and how many they each have, and go kicking in doors searching houses until they've found them all. You may hand over one or two, but if you've registered all your guns, they know you've got a dozen more somewhere in the house and won't leave until they have them all. |
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What gun registration does is pave the way for the goverment to be able to disarm us all, swiftly and without resistance, when they decide to take away the rest of our freedoms. I, for one, would rather have a few aces up my sleeve if the government decides to turn on us. |
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Now, if the goverment decides to pay me to register them, I may get a few of them registered. But not all of them. Not ever. |
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// Now, if the goverment decides to pay me to register them, I may get a few of them registered. But not all of them. Not ever. |
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You're starting to sound like a criminal |
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//fter a bit of reading I learned that the state with the lowest crime rate is Texas. |
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wrong, it's 7th highest (link) |
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I think the state with the lowest is probably one of the tiny New
England states, like New Hampshire or Vermont. You never hear
about those states... and no news is usually a sign of a peacefully
boring effing place. |
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hmmmm, now you've got me wondering if it was a piece of NRA propaganda that put that Texas stat in my head. My apologies. <writes Google before posting on inner eyelids>
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I Googled "Lowest Crime State" and it turns out I was right. Hew
Hampshire's the lowest, followed by Vermont and Maine. |
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I worry a lot less about the feds than people with inordinate amounts of ammo. |
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//inordinate amounts of ammo// |
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Heh.
'Ltell all you kids a little story, gather round now, I don't want to have to use my outdoor voice.
That'saway, you at the back there, that's it just scoot on up a tetch. There ya go. |
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So my grandfather on my fathers side lives his whole life after the war on his little piece of land in northern Ontario without power or water or sewage, just an old hand pump well and his critters.
One thing he did have a lot of though was ammo packed in coffee cans lining most of the walls of the shack he called home. I'd tell you all about his under the stairs attack turkey and a bunch of other eccentric anecdotes but them there's tales for another time. |
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Ever spring he would spread another barrel of tar on the roof of his place. After... well I don't really know how many years, his shack began to look like a Japanese pagoda with the roof all bent into the middle and such. |
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One day it caught fire. The fire department from the nearest town showed up and began spraying until the first of the cans of ammo began to ignite.
Says there wasn't a fire man to be seen for miles till the next day. |
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// Hew Hampshire's the lowest, followed by Vermont and Maine // |
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That's because there's sod all there except trees (And you thought Pennsylvania was boring). |
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The only reason for visiting Vermont is the Mount Washington cog railway (Yay !) unless you are a tree fetishist, and all NH has is Bretton Woods which no-one remembers much anyway. Maine is just a load of lobster fishermen clinging to the coast, excaept for Bangor, which is where old people go to practice for being dead. The rest is trees, ponds, trees, mosquitoes, trees, trees, and more bloody trees. And those are the GOOD parts. |
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It's not surprising that "crime" is so low, because shooting someone who lives there isn't a crime, it's an act of compassion. You see them kneeling by the roadside, holding signs saying , "I live here and I have lost my soul, so I'm too apathetic to kill myself. Please shoot me. Please. Take pity on me. Please, kill me, before I vote Democrat." |
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It's soooo sad .....
</rant> |
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