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…and must not use any existing language at all,
throughout.
The UI is languageless. The content uses words that are
not pre-existing in any known language. The users must
figure out a] how to register, how to post, etc and b]
what the f everyone else is talking about. And c] try and
respond.
Not using words that have already assigned
meanings.
New words can (well, probably must) be invented, new
grammars, etc. These new words probably had intended
meanings by the generating persons, so new meanings for
new words are acceptable - it's just existing words that
aren't allowed, because they'll come already attached to
existing meanings. If you want to express a meaning, it'll
have to be attached to a new word that doesn't have any
existing meaning.
Codex Seraphinianus writing system
http://en.wikipedia...anus#Writing_system
vaguely reminded me of this... [pocmloc, Oct 31 2009]
[link]
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Yr-jioe, casve ñouk agimeq... |
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Surely we should not be allowed to use Latin characters either? Would it only accept characters from as-yet-undefined blocks of Unicode? |
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Also //The users must figure out a] how to register, how to post, etc// you're assuming that the system has the equivalent of our registering, posting, etc... |
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I guess HTML is out then. The first challenge
will be to write a parser for the markup language. |
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//everyone else is talking about.// So where did they learn this new language? They didn't learn if from the UI, because //[t]he UI is languageless//. The users have to make up the new language on the fly. |
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Imagine users A, B, C, and D (for want of a better convention) who are labeled in the order that they managed to register. User A gets in, posts some stuff, waits a while; user B gets in, posts some stuff, A responds. After a bit, they come up with a couple of words that they can get predictable responses with, and so assume that they know what the shared meaning is. Later, C and D do essentially the same thing, and come up with a word for which they each believe they understand. However, the words the two pairs invented are for the same thing, and are not the same words. Who's right? Nobody, of course; unless the site has some facility for teaching (directing and correcting) the language; which it can't, because it's languageless. |
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Or in other words, garbage in=>garbage out. |
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//it's just existing words that aren't allowed// You may find it quite hard to pick readily pronounceable sounds that don't at least resemble existing words in some language. |
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I like it. It's kind of a game for inventing/evolving a language 'organically'. I suspect that the grammar of the evolved language will correspond the grammar of the users so it essentially becomes a word substitution language. |
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pertinax, - That's true. Or is it? Perhaps it's because
we're
conditioned to attract to formations that resemble
formations we've experienced. Perhaps there's plenty of
pronounceable words out there in the possibilityspace,
but we're uninclined to be near them, the existing
patterns having magnetic attraction to us, so we keep
swinging towards those. |
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The IT system where I work assigns users passwords - these
are always random non-words, but pronounceable. |
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<SirBedevere>
But *how* do you *know* they are non-words in, say, Innuit? They might all mean "snow".
</SirBedevere> |
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//so we keep swinging towards those// |
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I think that's where [sninctown] was coming from i.e.back to [jutta]'s concept of a binary conversation. Even then the most obvious pattern (from sci-fi) is to make a picture. Implementation of the idea is hard if not to fall into historic or conceptual patterns. |
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This is what [sninctown] meant. (Resize window to 5 columns) |
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Oddly, [Jinbish]s graphic, while designed for 5 columns, comes out in remarkably symmetrical blocks as 6 columns.
<Later, after playing with it some more> Must have something to do with the symmetricallityness of the original glyphs. |
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