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A game of billiards where colored and striped balls behave as
charged particles, i.e. striped balls attract colored balls but
repel other striped balls.
The rules are as typical 8-ball, but additional force and path
analysis need to occur to compensate for the additional
electrical forces
at play.
White ball is neutral.
Not to be confused with Electric Balls, or Electric Pool, both
linked below
Electric Balls
Electric_20Balls
[theircompetitor, Oct 13 2011]
Electric Pool
Electric_20Pool
[theircompetitor, Oct 13 2011]
Coulomb's law
http://en.wikipedia...Electrostatic_force
Published by a frenchman, plagiarising work which was English in origin (as usual). [8th of 7, Oct 14 2011]
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Is this a video game? If not, how will you implement
it? |
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You might be able to do this with pucks on a Nair
table. The pucks would have toroidal magnets, with
north pole in the centre or the periphery. Tricky to
get backspin, though. |
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No, not a video game. The balls could be genuinely
electrified with different
polarity, I suppose magnets could be used as well |
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May we draw to your attention that - |
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Billiards is played with a Red, White and Spot ball only. |
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Billiards is played by gentlemen, either in their own billiard room, or in their Club. |
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There are no Striped balls in Billiards. These are, as we understand it, used only by unenlightened Colonials to play a childish game called "pool" on a diminutive table. |
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Billiards is played with three balls, not eight, although we can understand how such a confuson might arise in a nation where counting beyond two merits an M.Sc. ("One, Two, Many, Lots"). |
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Not to be confuesd with Billiards or Snooker. |
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// The balls could be genuinely electrified // |
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Which, if nothing else, would be a nasty surprise for that
drunken asshole at the bar who thinks it's hilarious to grab
the ball you're lining up on. |
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And, come to think of it, an entertaining prelude to the
fate that typically befalls him shortly thereafter. |
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// There are no Striped balls in Billiards. These are,
as we understand it, used only by unenlightened Colonials
to play a childish game called "pool" on a diminutive table.
// |
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I was going to say that there's nothing childish about a
game that features more deadly weapons than it does
players, but now that I think about it, there is definitely a
palpable 'unruly playground' feel to your average biker bar. |
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I like this idea. You could set up combos wherein the balls
don't actually touch. [+] |
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// combos wherein the balls don't actually touch // |
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So, when did you get back from Thailand ... ? |
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I didn't know the Borg were aware of such activities. Never
would I have guessed that it would be at the forefront of
the collective mind. |
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Yes, well, you have that kind of effect upon those with whom you come into contact. |
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Was that... was that a compliment? |
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//used only by unenlightened Colonials to play a childish game called "pool"// |
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We can have a "Do-Over" of the American Revolution any time you'de like, [8th]. |
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I'm game. Good thing, too, since they'd likely pull an
Overlord and invade through Gulf of Maine (e.g. Wherever's
just to the right of where everyone thinks the invasion's
gonna be). |
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wow, [21_Quest] as well as the linked idea therein. |
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You have to let the Brits have a bit of their 18th-century arrogance, Mike. After all, it's the only bit of their empire that remains, and it would be sad to deprive them of their one remaining quality that gives them some waning semblance of national identity. |
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BTW, you'd think that on such a small island they'd all speak roughly the same language by now. They must not travel outside of their neighborhoods that much. I'd be concerned about inbreeding. |
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As far as invasion, personally, I'd worry about their close ties to the Canadians. They might succeed in taking over the Northwest Angle northerly bit in Minnesota. |
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//The balls could be genuinely electrified// |
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I think they tried that at Guantanamo. |
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But, do you have any conception of the voltages
which would be needed to produce significant
forces? |
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// We can have a "Do-Over" of the American Revolution any time you'de like // |
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Fine, that sounds like fun. Presumably you want another go at choosing a system of government that doesn't end up in an ever-spiralling plummet into irretrievable national indebtedness ? |
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We will need a short interval to issue our troops with muskets and nice red uniforms, get them to pipeclay their white crossbelts, and also make sure that all the officers are chinless, braying, unimaginative and rather backwards products of the English Public Schoo ... oh, no, wait, that bit's already fixed. |
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// But, do you have any conception of the voltages which
would be needed to produce significant forces? // |
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None whatsoever, but I'll gladly listen to a seminar on the
subject if anyone wants to give one. |
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No, no, anything but that! |
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Just kidding, [Vernon]. I'm actually really interested in how
this idea could be made to work. I'm not sure I'll
understand completely, but I'll try to keep up. Anybody? |
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There will be a lecture tommorrw. Pay attention, you will be asked questions later. |
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A few kV is enough to lift a strand of long hair. |
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//government that doesn't end up in an ever-spiralling plummet into irretrievable national indebtedness ?// |
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I believe the plummet began where the morals ended. |
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… i.e. just after the Brits left … |
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Canada, now… a much longer period of Anglo-Saxon influence, a
marginally better reputation for fiscal prudence compared with
their neighbours to the South, and a long and solid tradition of
invading the USA, capturing Washington, and burning the White
House… |
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Yes, but on the downside they're Canadian. |
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Thus more deserving of pity than condemnation, shirley ? |
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// There will be a lecture tommorrw. Pay attention, you
will be asked questions later. // |
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Okay, I have a pretty good grasp on everything that doesn't
involve greek characters. My impression thusfar is that
scalar dynamics may not be the right fit for table games,
yes? |
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Bah. They said the same thing to the Wright
Brothers |
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No, they didn't. They said, "Sorry, you're going to WHAT ?" And then they fell of their barstools laughing. |
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Theyre not laughing now. That's because they've all been dead for over 70 years, which tends to put a bit of a crimp in one's sense of humour. |
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leaving aside the lets re-fight the war of independence for a moment.... |
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I'm guessing this might take a bit of processing power, but switch-able electromagnets in the [insert name of game] balls so they repel or attract as appropriate. |
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Or for more interest, magnetise a whole load of pins, bang a load of them into the [insert name of game] balls with the North end inwards, then you could magnetise the table top South and et voila maglev [insert name of game] |
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mmMSnooker monopoles … cool ! |
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Rare-earth magnets embedded in a hollow acrylic sphere could
do this. There'll be a certain amount of lateral force between the
magnets, but if they don't extend too deeply towards the centre,
they should stay magnetised OK… |
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A uniform flux over a wide area is tricky but not impossible. |
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Since the balls would all repel one another, the mechanics would
be somewhat challenging. At lower speeds, it's doubtful there
would be any actual collisions. |
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Hmmmm… eddy currents … iron losses … right-hand dynamo
rule… hmmmm… |
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Once you own Bohr walk and Planck place it's just too easy. |
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[2_fries] you should try playing with the Pauli rule,
which prohibits building hotels on two properties of
the same color. That evens things up a bit. |
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//mmMSnooker monopoles … cool !... A uniform flux over a wide area is tricky but not impossible.// |
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Nope, impossible. It's basic physics. The magnetic flux through a closed surface is always zero, so you can't make monopoles with dipoles. |
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//Nope, impossible. It's basic physics. // |
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Do I detect a challenge here.... "and they said [insert name of obviously mad person here] was mad....I'll show them"..cuts to later fitting of that nice canvas jacket, the one with the very long sleeves with the buckles on... |
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//Nope, impossible. It's basic physics. // |
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I think we can all agree that physics has passed well
beyond the realm of the merely possible. In the modern
era, wherein 'impossible' only means 'nobody has yet tried
it and succeeded/survived', telling a Halfbaker that
something is 'basic physics' just makes it easier. It's like
saying "you can't solve this with simple arithmatic because
some of the numbers aren't real. You'll have to use a few
Greek characters to make it work." |
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Could you arrange the poles in an inner pole / outer pole arrangement, so that all of the North poles are at the sphere's center? |
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//[insert name of obviously mad person here]// |
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Oooh oooh pick me! pick me! I got one! Jules Vern! Is Jules Verne right? Was it Jules Verne? I saw this on "Vanilla Sky", it's Jules Verne! Juuuules Veeerne! |
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Stupid question, but while Jules Verne, in particular? |
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Anyway, surely the smart money would be on a way to distort the geometry of the Earth to such an extent that only one of the poles would be on the outside, and we'd have out own monopole planet which'd be really useful for...erm...uhh...gimme a minute.. |
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[fails to see the red dot creeping across the wall towards him as the hitman from the Compass makers cartel gently squeezes the...] |
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What you could do with magnets, Rayford, is have the balls react in wildly unpredictable ways so that no ball could be sunk except by accident. Balls would roll off on their own and collect into islands on the table. Spooky. |
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To get the balls to interact (other than impact) there's really only 3 ways to do it:
1: Electric fields - feasible with lightweight balls, statically charged (probably the whole table, balls and all charged).
2: Magnetic fields - the issue of monopoles on one hand, but perhaps an internally freefloating weighted magnet? (Not sure which way it would 'point').
3: Gravity - either make the balls really heavy and the surface almost completely frictionless, or try a 'rubbersheet geometry' approach.
Mostly you could only get one direction of interaction (either attraction or repulsion, but not a mix) unless you do really tricky things with magnets. |
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4. Employ a small team of monkeys. |
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//4. Employ a small team of monkeys.// |
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Who'd subcontract it out to the ants again, and we all know how that one worked out last time. All it really needs is some kind of repulsion effect, or some kind of analogue. |
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I was thinking of some kind of ball that has a layer of very small coil guns that could shoot tiny chunks off it to give the floating effect, power to be be fed in by microwave and wi-fi connection to the pc running the whole shebang. |
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Probably wouldn't need any shielding for the players above that enjoyed by knights in the medieval period. |
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So, we could have the whole floaty bit, the ball change direction bit and free up space in draughty old castles while only causing minor wounds to onlookers and passers by. |
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This game could never get started because the balls wouldn't stay in formation before the break. |
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Sorry, but I think this idea will fail because you'll end up with clumps and lineups of balls "kissing" all over the table. This takes a lot of the fun out of pool. I suggest that ALL the balls be the same charge so they all repel each other. |
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//the balls wouldn't stay in formation before the
break//
The balls should have not only charge, but also the
strong and weak force (and also gravity, but that
would be negligible on this scale). That way, the
break would work just fine -- it would be fission.
Can't imagine an implementation, though, outside of
VR. |
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I am having this sneaking feeling that magnet-wise and mag-lev wise this has already been done, as I have seen floating globes of the world (like, which other world would it be?) and it's not attraction, it's repulsion. Or maybe I'm completely wrong on that? |
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On a complete aside, if someone purchased two of the globes, in the larger size, they'd be well on the way to owning their own mag-lev Pamela Anderson... |
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