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# Circle and sphere

Units of angle
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Why is the site so dead today? It must be a weekend or something. Time to post an idea!

The commonly used units of angle are the degree, of which there are 360 per full rotation, and the radian, of which there are tau per full rotation. There is also the grad, of which there are 400 per full rotation, but it's not commonly used.

Degrees are supposedly nice because 360 has a lot of factors relative to most other numbers of similar magnitude, meaning you can divide it by a lot of different numbers and still end up with integers. For instance, you can divide a circle in one (360°), two (180°), three (120°), four (90°), five (72°), six (60°), eight (45°), nine (40°), ten (36°), twelve (30°), fifteen (24°), eighteen (20°), twenty (18°), twenty-four (15°), thirty (12°), thirty-six (10°), forty (9°), forty-five (8°), sixty (6°), seventy-two (5°), ninety (4°), one and a fifth hundred (3°), one and a half hundred (2°), and three and three fifths hundred (1°). But this is not necessarily intuitive if you're more used to metric units with their decimals and tens than American units with their fractions and twelves.

So why not use the metric unit of angle, the radian? It is commonly used in science, after all. Well, that's even less decimal than the degree. Any real-world measurement using radians will inevitably be an irrational number, which is just silly. The American system of units is called "irrational" for not having simple ratios between units of different dimensions, but I'd call it more fundamentally irrational to base one of your units on an irrational number.

Therefore I propose a new unit of angle, the circle (symbol: cir). There is one circle per full rotation. A right angle, or 90°, or pi/2 radians, is equal to 250 millicircles (mcir). This should be a lot more intuitive than either degrees or radians for people who are used to the metric system. 1000 is also easy enough to divide by factors that metric users are likely to want to divide it by, and they already have experience doing so.

I also propose a corresponding unit of solid angle, the sphere (symbol: sph). There is one sphere per whole sphere's worth of solid angle. A hemisphere is 500 msph. This should also be better than the current square degree (which doesn't make much sense because you can't define a proper square on a spherical surface) and steradian (which is again based on an irrational number).

64/397 [2019-01-15]

 — notexactly, Mar 09 2019

Tau https://tauday.com/tau-manifesto
For those who don't yet know about 'tau' mentioned in the idea. [scad mientist, Mar 10 2019]

The spat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spat_(unit)
1 spat = one full sphere of solid angle. [MaxwellBuchanan, Mar 10 2019]

The turn https://en.wikipedi...iki/Turn_(geometry)
1 turn = 360° [MaxwellBuchanan, Mar 10 2019]

Binary radian (brad) https://en.wikipedi...aling#Binary_angles
256 brads = 1 turn = 360° [MaxwellBuchanan, Mar 10 2019]

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Hmmm. This is such a good idea that I can't believe nobody has done it. But I can't find an example, so [+].
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Mar 09 2019

 I agree in principle, but I think rather than calling it a circle, you should just call it tau (for the rest of this anno, please replace all [tau] with lowercase greek symbol tau as shown in link since it appears there's no way to display that here). 90 degrees is [tau]/4 as mentioned in the tau manifesto, but it would be equally valid it us this in a metric type notation as 250 m[tau] (rather than 250 mcir as you suggest).

I admit that this is maybe not quite right,since [tau] is a dimensionless number like pi. So saying 0.25 [tau] = 90 degrees isn't right. It should really be 0.25 [tau] radians, but perhaps the radians could simply be implied, especially when used with the milli prefix. Therefore 90 degrees = 0.25 [tau] radians = 250 m[tau].
 — scad mientist, Mar 10 2019

 So 1000 = 360 = 6.3662.. . Mixing the units is probably not a good Idea. It will always come down to what the circle is being used for.

Pity, since my supermarket pizza weights ~360g +-5g.
 — wjt, Mar 10 2019

 I waded into that link a ways.Ow.literal pain somewhere just behind my right eyeball. Fascinating, but I think I'll check it out later when I'm not bucking a cold. (+)

Ow.
 — 2 fries shy of a happy meal, Mar 10 2019

I like it! It makes a lot of sense, really. But then, so does the radian...
 — neutrinos_shadow, Mar 10 2019

When working on embedded systems, I often divide the circle into 256, which makes the calculations a lot easier. You can store an angle in an 8-bit number and it wraps automatically. I don't think there is a name for this unit though.
 — mitxela, Mar 10 2019

//I often divide the circle into 256// That is a cool idea which I will steal next time I'm programming.
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Mar 10 2019

 Actually, hang on. A lot of problems are caused by pi being irrational. However, if we simply define pi to be 1, and then redefine the integers to be multiples of pi, then everything gets easier.

You might think this would cause problems with counting, or with basic arithmetic, but no. For instance, "2" now becomes 2*pi/pi, and the pi's cancel meaning that 2 is still 2. But now pi squared = 1 = pi. The area of a circle becomes pi*r^2, which is simply r^2. Et cetera.
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Mar 10 2019

 Whoa, hang on again.

 It turns out that both the circle and the sphere (as units of angle and solid angle) already exist. The "turn" is a unit of angle (1 turn = 360°), and the "spat" is a unit of solid angle (1 spat = solid angle of a sphere from its centre).

 Moreovermore, [mixtela] will be diluted to learn that 1/256th of a turn has a name - the "binary radian" or "brad". 256 brads = 360°.



Wikipedia links over there on the left.
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Mar 10 2019

 I was surprised that this was a new idea when I thought it was, so I'm glad to see it isn't. I still think my names for the units are nicer, though.

I might find binary angle measurement useful too.
 — notexactly, Mar 11 2019

I disagree because this is not duodecimal. However, I have some sympathy with a binary/octal/hexadecimal approach. I've seen a Peters Projection map with decimal angular units on it though, so I'm not sure it's unbaked.
 — nineteenthly, Mar 11 2019

Interesting idea - I like it. What does the "64/397" bit mean though?
 — hippo, Mar 11 2019

 From my profile (not that I'm saying you should have looked there first (though I guess you really should have (but this gives me an opportunity to explain it in a more visible place, and a reminder to proofread and edit my explanation, so I'm happy)) but just because I don't want to rewrite it and I feel I explained it pretty well there (apart from the just-discovered need for proofreading and editing)):

// I keep a list in Evernote of ideas to post here. Whenever I post an idea here, I add at the bottom of the idea body a line of the format "X/Y [Z]", where X is how many ideas from my list I've posted (including the current idea), Y is the total number of ideas on my list on the day of posting, and Z is either the date I thought up that idea or the date I added that idea to my list. (I started recording these dates on my list on 2017-10-02.) This is to facilitate analysis of my progress in posting my ideas, by myself or anyone else who cares to (probably nobody). "n/a" means I posted the idea here without putting it on my list first—this is usually the same day or close to it. //
 — notexactly, Mar 11 2019

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