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Debate biofeedback

Lie detector use in public debates
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The Problem: How do you tell when a politician is telling lies? His lips move.

Solution: Politicians should be connected to lie detectors (emotion detectors, or emotion amplifiers) when ever they speak in public. We have all see the needle going back and forth frantically in the movies, when someone is lying, but JHC outputting the biofeedback to produce “color visualizations and musical accentuations.” This would be so cool. I wish I had a lie detector so I could play with it. When the lie detector “knew” someone was lying it could play ominous music, and visa versa.

"So the invention would be a lie detector that is meant to complement the rest of the output of a politician. If the politician was giving a speech the lie detector would play visualization on a screen behind the politician and maybe change musical chords underneath the speech -- maybe changing modes according to different input. This could be advantageous to politicians because it would give them a higher bandwidth connection with their constituents (JHC)."

Reasons to agree this is a good idea: 1. It will allow politicians to REALLY communicate -- to really give people a detailed picture of their emotional process.

2. This will make politicians like rock stars.

3. Watching them will be much more entertaining, and educational.

4. Once people learn to use these biofeedback machines themselves they can start to follow leaders who really feel like they do, not just say the right words

5. There is new “Cat Scan” technology that makes lie detection fool proof.

6. Even the threat of lie detectors will stop people like Nixon from going into politics. Even if it doesn't stop all of the lying, it will serve the same purpose of the radar gun. People drive slowly knowing that they might get caught.

7. The idea of being emotionally, and intellectually naked in front of millions would be very hard to turn away from, and I think he is right.

8. Good honest politicians would become stars.

9. This product would not be too difficult to make. We have all seen these things being used in the movies, like “Meet the Parents” and almost every spy movie.

10. We should use technology to our fullest advantage. We should have instant re-play at our football games, and if you want to be a politician in our country, you should have to wear a lie detector when ever you speak. We have the technology to stop people from lying to us, why the heck some one hasn’t thought of this earlier.

The opportunity lies in figuring out what the needle is saying. Just like judges in the Olympics you could have retired, trained people continually give their estimate, on a scale of 1 to 10 of how confident they are, that the person is lying.

Reasons to disagree:

1. It might not be good for foreign relations if Bush was to say," we value the opinions of the French" and it says that he is lying with a chance of error of 0 percent.

“People who put themselves up for election are the ones I'd least like to have any power." We need to find some way of promoting good politicians, and discouraging bad politicians.

Perhaps a panel of retired judges would approve 3 questions from the media that the judges feel are relevant. The have new lie detectors that use cat scans, but politicians are pretty busy people, and I don't know if they could make weekly stops to the hospital for that.

If the equipment isn't too expensive, maybe they could just set it up in their office, so it could go quick. Or maybe the news outlet that had the rights to air the test/results would have to purchase it.

myclob, Mar 06 2005

Steven Johnson article http://slate.msn.com/id/2099411/
[JesusHChrist, Apr 04 2005]

Reasons to agree and disagree http://myclob.pbwik...where-lie-detectors
A different format for the same idea [myclob, Apr 04 2008]

They are doing it! http://ap.google.co...wIkVi9msLQD93MIGGO0
They are doing a lie-detector debate! [myclob, Oct 10 2008]

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       So the invention would be a lie detector that is meant to complement the rest of the output of a politician. If the politician was giving a speech the lie detector would play a visualization on a screen behind the politician and maybe change musical chords underneath the speech -- maybe chainging modes acording to different input. This could be advantageous to politicians because it would give them a higher bandwidth connection with their constituents.
JesusHChrist, Mar 06 2005
  

       Magic lie detector?
david_scothern, Mar 07 2005
  

       Lie-detector-biofeedback with color visualizations and musical accentuations will become very popular because it will allow politicians to REALLY communicate -- to really give people a detailed picture of their emotional process. This will make politicians like rock stars. Watching them will be much more entertaining, and educational. Once people learn to use these biofeedback machines themselves they can start to follow leaders who really feel like they do, not just say the right words.
JesusHChrist, Mar 07 2005
  

       I honestly don't know.   

       With JHC's addition, is this still boardering on advocacy? And when you said [marked for deletion] did you mean it was OK for me to delete your comment, or my idea has been marked for deletion. Also, why do I need to read the help file, is the Idea not a good one? Does it not belong on this site? I deleted the link to my website is it still boardering on advococy. I had a new Idea of how to improve the world. I thought that is what this website was about.
myclob, Mar 10 2005
  

       Does the lie-detector have a setting on the back that sets it to 'earnestly telling the truth' for that extra boost of plausability? This could be used for appearances on TV and party conferences.
zen_tom, Mar 10 2005
  

       //We have the technology to stop people from lying to us// We do?
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Mar 10 2005
  

       Thats a lie.
skinflaps, Mar 10 2005
  

       Maybe the reason I suggest this, is because I have a built in emotion display... I blush terribly, turn red, when I get slightly mad. It is impossible for me to not be honest with how I feel. I think it should be the same with politicians.   

       “People who put themselves up for election are the ones I'd least like to have any power." We need to find some way of promoting good politicians, and discouraging bad politicians.   

       Perhaps a panel of retired judges would approve 3 questions from the media that the judges feel are relevant. The have new lie detectors that use cat scans, but politicians are pretty busy people, and I don't know if they could make weekly stops to the hospital for that.   

       If the equipment isn't too expensive, maybe they could just set it up in their office, so it could go quick. Or maybe the news outlet that had the rights to air the test/results would have to purchase it.
myclob, Mar 17 2005
  

       Why does everyone talk about my crappy ideas, and no one even looks at this one?
myclob, Apr 04 2005
  

       I think this is a great idea. Steven Johnson's "Mind Wide Open" is a good book. See link for a short article. Acutally in that article he has "PROS" and "CONS" along the lines of your reasons to agree and disagree. I think biofeedback is really the wave of the future. Once we learn to hack into our brains there will be no stopping us. But don't let that article fool you, you don't have to spend a lot of money to hack into your head. One easy way is to buy a 15 dollar lie detector kit and improvise around with it. Another way that even cheaper and more powerful is to look into someone elses eyes and watch for feedback loops -- reactions the other person has to you that you react to and so on. That is really the biofeedback wave of the future.
JesusHChrist, Apr 04 2005
  

       Thanks for the article. I knew it was a good idea (my best) and figured that someone else would have thought of it! Good article.   

       By the way, when I get some time, I’m going to try and make a list of each reason to agree and disagree with each of my ideas. When you categorize each submission into “reasons to agree” “books that agree” etc, it makes it easier to move them into data bases. Then, once each submission is moved into a data base, you can create a survival of the fittest system, where the best ideas are able to “compete”, and “fight” for better “position”.   

       But I digress.   

       Individuals who want to run for office that would be willing to do this: 1. myclob 2. Anyone else?
myclob, Apr 05 2005
  

       Seemingly similar situations might require very different approaches - I don't want to artificially limit someone who's trying to do an already difficult job [longshot9999]
zen_tom, Apr 05 2005
  

       When you put it that way, it makes more sense - I was just pointing out that sometimes politicians have to change their positions - and perfectly reasonably too.   

       Though you have to admire those who take a stand on principle (sadly lacking in today's circus) They might be wrong, but they are at least admirably wrong.
zen_tom, Apr 05 2005
  

       Can't you just look for the lump under their clothes and the confused look on their face?
normzone, Mar 17 2006
  

       March, and [myclob] resurges.
bungston, Mar 17 2006
  

       So, this is basically mass biofeedback?
Ian Tindale, Mar 17 2006
  


 

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