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Delayed Action Rodent Trap

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This is intended for trapping critters wary enough to evade common traps.

A live trap consisting of a large box, tube, or cage with spring loaded doors on each end and a close-able port on top for adding bait. A floor trigger inside can close both doors simultaneously. But the trigger and closing mechanism include levers and ratchets to form a kind of mechanical counter that won't let the doors close until the trigger has been tripped several times.

This lets the target critter learn to trust the enclosure, learning they can come for a snack and walk away unmolested - until the trap eventually does close them in.

This is akin to simply baiting a regular trap but leaving it disarmed over a period of several days - and only setting it after you know it's been visited multiple times. But marketing as automated, easier, smarter will get a higher price for it on the store shelves.

kdf, Jul 13 2020

Ninja Squirrel Challenge Course https://www.youtube...watch?v=hFZFjoX2cGg
You go, Smart Rick. [RayfordSteele, Jul 14 2020]

Hamnpork https://wiki.lspace.../mediawiki/Hamnpork
[kdf, Jul 14 2020]

Hair Club For Rats Hair_20Club_20For_20Rats
One of my earlier rat related ideas ... [kdf, Jul 15 2020]

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       What's wrong with crouching, completely silent and utterly motionless, in the total darkness, hour after hour, night after night, with infinite, focused, vengeful patience, listening for that first tiny, almost inaudible, rustle of movement, right on the threshold of hearing, and taking careful aim, and then suddenly BANG ... you've shot a post-it note that's fallen off the refrigerator door ?
8th of 7, Jul 13 2020
  

       Do pay attention, 8th. The targets are rodents, not little bits of paper. Or refrigerator doors.   

       We have some pretty impressive rats in our back yard. One is a male Norway with a body close to a foot long. I'm calling him Hamnpork until he speaks up and tells me that's not his name. And I don't really mind, as we have a lot of other happy critters around - balance of nature and all that. I don't feel like paving over (or carpet bombing) the entire estate to get rid of them.   

       As long Hamnpork and his pals are happy to play outside - not too close to the back porch or trying to get in the house - we don't need the traps. This is an idea "just in case."
kdf, Jul 13 2020
  

       If Hamnpork resembles his moniker, the problem with this idea is that he's going to just suck up your bait in one or maybe two gulps.   

       What you need is to make it a bit sporting for him. A rat- trap applicable version of the Ninja Squirrel Challenge course in the link, perhaps.
RayfordSteele, Jul 14 2020
  

       [kdf], well...let me see how to broach this subject with you without being insensitive... Uhmmmm... Almost all of your ideas are related to RATS. Either getting rid of them or making their lives better or something to do with rodents in general.   

       Are the "Rats" code for something else in your life? Just wondering.
blissmiss, Jul 14 2020
  

       blissmiss ... Not *all* of my ideas - just a few recent one. And as you've asked why: Several mornings recently when my wife has gone out to the garden, one or both of her garden shoes have been mysteriously several feet away from the back door. Figured a raccoon had been playing with them, but after moving one of our security cameras to see if it happened again - noticed a lot of rat traffic.   

       To my surprise, my nature-loving hippie wife wants to kill them! As far as I'm concerned a rat is just a squirrel having a bad hair day. I'm thinking of setting up a salon for them in the far corner of the yard. Away from our back door, up against the fence closest to a neighbor we don't like.
kdf, Jul 14 2020
  

       "If Hamnpork resembles his moniker"
  

       Named for a character in a Terry Pratchett novel, though the one in our yard may not be as educated as the one in the book.
kdf, Jul 14 2020
  

       //Are the "Rats" code for something else in your life? Just wondering.//   

       I think you may be harking back to Freud's famous case history of the "rat man", [bliss]. If that's so then we should bear in mind (a) that Freud's reasoning in that particular case doesn't work for a non-German-speaker and (b) that Freud's reasoning doesn't work.
pertinax, Jul 15 2020
  

       hahaha, no, no I wasn't, but that's funny.
blissmiss, Jul 15 2020
  

       // To my surprise, my nature-loving hippie wife wants to kill them! //   

       You should listen to her; she is clearly much wiser and perceptive than you are.   

       Which makes us wonder why she married you.   

       // As far as I'm concerned a rat is just a squirrel having a bad hair day. //   

       Are you sure it's a rat, and not a Filigree Siberian Hamster... ?
8th of 7, Jul 15 2020
  

       “...Filigree Siberian Hamster...“
I *did* mention improved social acceptance as a possible benefit for rats (and pet shop owners) a few weeks ago in “Hair Club for Rats” (link). Do try to keep up, please. As for killing, my hippie wife usually outsources that to me, and always seems sad about it even when it’s totally necessary. That’s why her eagerness to off the rats is such a surprise.
kdf, Jul 15 2020
  

       "Have you ever heard of the bubonic plague, [kdf] ? It was very popular here at one time. A lot of pedigree hamsters came over on ships from Siberia ... "   

       Rats ? Kill them. Kill them all. Do it now.   

       Get a terrier - they adore killing rats. Let a terrier loose where there are rats, and pretty soon all you have is twice as many half-rats and a very happy dog.
8th of 7, Jul 15 2020
  

       "Rats. Kill them all"
Are your targeting systems always so imprecise? Bubonic plague (Yersinia pestis) is transmitted by fleas - which are just as happy to jump to your rat terrier after it's killed the rat.
  

       If it comes down to necessary killing, I'd prefer something that doesn't leave carcasses - intact or chewed - laying about. Slow poisons often let them die in their burrows, but finding one that won't affect non-target species and doesn't persist in the soil is problematic. Rat-X looks promising but may not be effective on big Norways.
kdf, Jul 15 2020
  

       Try hot lead - .22 LR is typically sufficient, but 7.62mm is more ... impressive.   

       No effect on non-target species (what are those, by the way ?).   

       As to fleas, a quick blast of organophosphate insecticide spray will take care of them - along with regular topical treatments, which all responsible dog owners do as a matter of course.
8th of 7, Jul 15 2020
  

       "non-target species ... what are those..."
That's you all over, isn't it ? You've already indicated your targeting algorithms can't discriminate between a bacterium, flea, rodent, scraps of paper, or kitchen appliances.
kdf, Jul 15 2020
  

       It can ... perfectly well. It just isn't configured to do that, because it returns entirely satisfactory results just the way it is.   

       Apart from the holes in the refrigerator ...
8th of 7, Jul 15 2020
  

       I told you it was a false economy to use mild steel for the glacis plate.
pertinax, Jul 16 2020
  

       Everyone's a critic ... but yes, the replacement will be specified as something a trifle more resistant.   

       And maybe it needs a deflector shield ...   

       The idea specifies // Delayed Rodent Trap // but in fact what's ultimately wanted is a "Late Rodent Trap" ... "late, as in the late Dentarthurdent".
8th of 7, Jul 16 2020
  

       Point taken - I've changed the name to "Delayed Action Rodent Trap" (DART) - but my intended result is not necessarily a "late" rat. Simply a captured one.   

       What anyone does with a captured rat is up to them. Despite hippie wife's original blood lust, she changed her mind when I asked her to explain the difference in her feelings towards rats, squirrels, raccoons, and stray cats - all of which frequently visit.
kdf, Jul 16 2020
  

       //What's wrong with crouching, completely silent and utterly motionless, in the total darkness, hour after hour, night after night, with infinite, focused, vengeful patience, listening for that first tiny, almost inaudible, rustle of movement, right on the threshold of hearing...//   

       The cats do that, They'll sit right in front of the stove, or in a mysterious basement location somewhere, probably on top of an HVAC duct until dead mice appear in the morning, or the smaller cat drags a squirrel half her size up the basement stairs. Instead of adding their biological distinctiveness to my own, I've left them independent so I can sleep while they work.
bs0u0155, Jul 16 2020
  

       You are such a kind and compassionate boss, [bs0u0155], any openings at your place of business? hahahaha
blissmiss, Jul 16 2020
  

       I am sad* to report that Hamnpork and the rest of his clan are missing, presumed dead. Along with them, an undetermined number of squirrels, raccoons, and feral cats. I didn't kill them nor did nature loving hippie wife. We think either our next door neighbor (Joe) or the guy next to him on the other side from us (Richard, aka "Little Dick") poisoned them.   

       Both Joe and I had seen a lot of "traffic" through our yards and from trail cameras figured out the main source was Little Dick's yard. Joe said he was going to set out traps and maybe poison because he was sick of them getting into his garden. Don't know for sure what really happened - but in the past week the cameras have triggered ZERO times at night and much, much less often for daytime. The day shift consisted mainly of squirrels, night shift included rats, cats, and raccoons. And now... all gone.   

       * I'm not sure "sad" is the right word, I mean, I wanted the rats to go somewhere else, but killing every pronking thing in the neighborhood? It lacked ... elegance.
kdf, Sep 02 2020
  

       So it was either "Wipe them out. All of them.", or "Kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out."; depending on whether your neighbour is a sci-fi fan or a Viet-Nam war historian...
neutrinos_shadow, Sep 02 2020
  

       "... your neighbour is a sci-fi fan or a Viet-Nam war historian...”
-neutrinos_shadow, Sep 02 2020
  

       Or Mr. Teatime, to stay in the same universe (though not the same book) as Hamnpork...   

       [Lord Downey is reviewing a previous assassination contract that Teatime carried out for him]   

       Lord Downey : You nailed Sir George's dog to the ceiling.   

       Teatime : I couldn't have it barking while I was working, sir.   

       Lord Downey : Some people would have drugged it.   

       Teatime : [mystified] Oh! But I definitely fulfilled the contract. I checked Sir George's breathing with a mirror, as instructed.   

       Lord Downey : Apparently his head was several feet from his body at that point.   

       Teatime : That was all right, wasn't it, sir?   

       Lord Downey : It lacked... elegance.   

       Teatime : I thank you, sir. I'm always happy to be corrected. I shall remember that... next time.
kdf, Sep 02 2020
  
      
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