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As humanity moves out into the solar system, practically everyone (except for hard-core space-station chauvinists) anticipates thats people will eventually settle on the moon, the moons of Jupiter, large asteroids, and other medium-sized space bodies.
However, all of these objects have a pretty big
disadvantage for human life in common: low gravity. The gravity of the Moon (and Io), is around 1/6th that of earth, most of the big outer planet moons have lower gravities (around 1/7th of Earth), and things get even worse when you consider medium-sized moons , Pluto, and various big TNO's.
We all know that micro gravity has pretty serious and unhealthy effects on humans, which we cannot completely alleviate with our exercise regimes and special diets (for astronauts). What about these worlds? Is 1/7th Earth's gravity really sufficient to make a healthy human? Even if it is, does it not seem likely that bodies born and acclimatized to low gravities might not be sturdy enough to allow them to visit higher gravity worlds like Earth (or even Mars and Mercury)?
People propose artificial rotating space stations for colonies floating free in space. Oddly enough, however, I haven't seen anything similar proposed for actual planetary/satellite/object surfaces. After all, centrifuges still work, and produce outwards accelerations, on earth. So why not make rotating surface colonies, or 'embedded space stations'?
There would have to be some differences of course. Since you would have gravitational acceleration as well as centrifugal acceleration, you would have to curve the floors, so that the vector sum of these two accelerations is always perpendicular to the surface (I've calculated that this curvature is that of a parabolic cone). Thus, the actual, net acceleration would vary depending on where one is standing. If the embedded colony is wide and not very deep, however, this effect would be minimal. This would also minimize any difference in the direction of acceleration between a person's head and feet. For a low gravity moon, the floors near the outer rim of an embedded space station would be nearly vertical, if you wanted an earthlike acceleration.
Then, of course, you would also have to support the entire rotating colony on the surface of whatever object it is placed on. However, people handle rotating objects and magnetic levitation all the time, so this should not be too much trouble. For smaller colonies, you might even be able to use wheels. It would be best if the colony was sunk into the surface.
Finally, the colony would be connected to the outside surface via a sort of 'docking hub', in the center of the colony. Connecting to non-rotating sections, people could then enter tunnels extending under (or bridges extending over) the rotating parts of the colony, to get to the surface.
Edit: Just for an idea, imagine a 1 km wide colony on the moon. To get earthlike gravity at the rim, it would have to rotate at 1.33 RPM. At the rim, the angle of the floor to the horizontal would be around 80.5 degrees (Note: math corrected after I re-checked it. Whoops!). Thus, as one walked downwards, you'd move closer to the center, and the angle of the floor would become less steep, and the net 'gravity' would lessen. If the floor went all the way down, you'd eventually reach the center, with a floor horizontal to the lunar surface, with normal lunar gravity.
In reality, of course, it would be impractical to make the colony that deep, so before long, you'd reach the bottom wall, and you'd have to take some sort of elevator to reach floors closer to the center, with less gravity and less steeply tilted floors. At the center, you floor could be a parabolic dish, with the non-rotating docking hub in its center.
Ringworld
http://everything2....x.pl?node=Ringworld [normzone, Aug 30 2005]
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Croissant. But only if I can ride my motorcycle round them. |
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//special diets (for astronauts)// - astodoughnauts? |
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Might be a bit impractical - building something on another planet's tricky... Building some thing huge is worse... But building something bloody huge and rotating'd be very tough. Neat idea tho.
...I just get the idea that it's probably easier to build one of those 2001 rotating things in space, than it would be on a distante planet. |
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Distante? Is that French? |
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No. Italian, actually. A bit like Hove, but with less stones, and better ice cream.
E pur si muove. |
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Just go around the whole moon it will be like living on a giant upside down train. Yay. |
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Watch carefully children - coming up at 270mph is "Crater 8" - in 2139 when ace pilot Kenyi Gam Bundy failed to activate her genesis mach 400 thrust damper
and made quite an impression with her 900 ton Mini-Cruiser SLX. |
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[DrCurry] Careful you don't ride counter-spin-wise, or you might end up falling upwards into the sky. Oh wait, is that right? Ech, whatever. Just don't do it, okay? |
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Welcome [JamesFox]. Although I do not know much about the topic I congratulate you on your first croissanted idea. |
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Very nice idea! But um... how are the people going to get inside the thing while it spins? I didn't pay to much attention and skipped the last couple paragraph's but I can imagine a trolley to get people inside while it spins. |
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The city r station rotates, an there is a Tram rail around it, on this tram is a Tram car, specially designed to be able t pivot all the way around it's contact with the Tram rail. The rotating station has air locks on the sides, like the side facing up from the planetoid, or Right if you're facinbg spinward if it spins in a counter clockwise direction. The people getin the trolley, which accelerates to match velocities with the station, and the tram rotates on it's tram rail contact/pivot. This way, no one in the car is bein slammed against the outer wall. |
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Really important personal question below!!!: |
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I've been reading larry nivens ringworld series for the past year now, and I have had this dying question for all you math geeks out there. How many RPM would you have to spin a ring world to reach one gee? And do we currently have a metal or material capable of withstanding the forces? What material would it be? I know in the first book Larry niven mentioned the Ringworld turns at 770 MPS, but I don't know how to figure out how many RPMs that is. I am sure jamesfox might be wondering these same things also =D . |
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[EP], there's now a link above that might help with your question. |
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Access could be done to the outer rim of the entire city with a surrounding rotating platform that started and stopped. The outer part of the platform would be flat, and people would walk onto it though doors in its outer wall. The platform would begin to spin up, and people would keep walking toward the city, onto what had seemed to be a curve down toward the rotating city. They would have to match their progress along the increasing slope to the speed of the rotation, and would reach the inner portion that matched the angle of the colony's outer floor just as the speeds matched and latching mechanisms activated. Doors would then open, and people could simply walk into the city. Others would then board the platform, and it would slow to a halt as they walked outward. |
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It might take a little practice, and safety measures would be needed, but it wouldn't be much more trouble to use than an elevator or subway. Or, with a bunch of tilting-floor chambers installed, it becomes [EP]'s tram rail/car as a continuous circumferential train. |
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Would you mind if I edited your idea please [JamesFox]? |
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People hope to one day live on other planets and in space, but low gravity environments are harmful to humans in the long term. In space we can simulate gravity by placing people in spinning habitats. We should use the same principle to increase the gravity on low gravity planets and moons by building habitats on spinning bases. These would have floors in a parabolic profile so that at every point the sum of the outward acceleration and planetary gravity would be perpendicular to the floor. |
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You most definitely get a bun for this, but it didn't really need to be that long. |
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Hmm...redid moon-colony math, I get a floor angle of 80.4 degrees at the rim, and a rotation rate of 1.33 rpm. If the surface were purely parabolic, it would be 1.52 km deep. (this could be alleviated by a fresnel arrangement). |
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As I understand it, the main problem with spending time in low gravity is bone loss. Sure, if you spend enough time in low gravity, it may be difficult or impossible to return to high gravity, but why bother? |
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I've seen this concept forwarded before, but since I can't find a link, I won't tag it as baked. [ ] |
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// As I understand it, the main problem with spending time in low gravity is bone loss. Sure, if you spend enough time in low gravity, it may be difficult or impossible to return to high gravity, but why bother? // |
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*sigh* why does everybody seem to think this is a PROBLEM? Not to be rude or offensive, but let me explain why our bodies do this(not that you probably don't know, but I want to explain anyways =D). |
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Scientists ellaborate that a multi-Celled being could not exist on land, without a Skeleton. The Skeleton holds the body up, and allows for Walking and moving around. Our bodie sdon't waste anything. In space, with little or no gravity, our bodies don't see the point of having stronger than needed bones. Why pay
$15,000 for a popsicle when you can buy it for ten Dollars elewhere? So our bodiews deecreases the Skeletons strength. It's like building a building on the moon, but making it capable of withstanding a cat 5 Hurricane. |
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Now how do we solve this? We place the astronauts in a spinning simulated gravity enviroment for a period of time, with lots of exercise and a special diet to promote Bone growth. While they live in this environment, the rotation is sped up over time, until it reaches 1 Gee. An astronaut undergoing this would not even notice the increase in weight! |
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for a 1 AU diameter ringworld rotating at 770 miles /sec, thats 1 revolution in 8.8 days, 41 times faster than the orbital velocity of the earth |
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To make a ringworld the same diameter, width and thickness as the one in the novel, you need material (acc to wikipedia) with a tensile strength similar to the strong nuclear force. Unobtanium. Just like adamantium but stronger. |
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Of course if you made it smaller and thicker you might be able to get away with something more plausible like diamond or carbon nanotube contruction materials |
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