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Imaginative idea, but I fear that this
would lead to a growth in the number
of people with multiple National
Insurance/Social Security numbers. |
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[hippo]'s anno reminds me of some work I did some years back for the Northern Ireland Department of Health and Social Security. We found a couple of wards where more people claimed benefit than actually lived in the ward (including children!). |
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I think this could be implemented quite easily and simply if the tax and benefits offices shared information fully. It's highly unlikely that would ever happen in Britain, due to the uselessness of public IT projects, but it's an interesting idea for better-organised corners of the world. |
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A question I have is how would the level of help be tailored to the individual's needs? For example, the parents of three kids get in a car accident. Dad is killed and Mom is crippled. The benefits they get will need to support three kids plus all of Mom's medical bills. This could add up to a very hefty sum. What's to keep a lazy man from apply for the same benefits package and not having to work? He wouldn't pay taxes as he has no income, but he'd be getting the money that would support 4 people and medical bills. |
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There would still need to be a complex set of regulations to determine the appropriate level of assistance and then you are right back to the original problem. |
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This would have the benefit of not penalizing people who get a job by immediantly removing their assistance. They would have the choice (based on what is better for them) of continuing or terminating assistance. |
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thank, scout, most informative :) |
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[scout], can you define "people who really deserve to be rich", as well as how you determine whether someone "really needs" welfare as opposed to not really needing it. |
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[scout] It's a little difficult to tell if
you are being parodical or not. I
recommend some English lessons
so we can tell if you are an asshole
or merely not funny. |
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damn, and here I thought I found a kindred spirit |
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I think he meant about the kindred spirit being that the rich deserve to be rich by virtue of their being rich and that the poor deserve to be poor by virtue of their being poor. |
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[marked-for-deletion] -let's all |
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[ato] Not let's all, just the government has to do something. This idea is is about organizing the welfare system. |
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//A question I have is how would the level of help be tailored to the individual's needs?// You tailor it yourself. Since neither kids nor mom have income they could take the whole package without penalty. I agree that the lazy man would represent one of the loopholes I mentioned, but welfare is usually not so generous that people want to live on it. |
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//You tailor it yourself.// |
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What prevents the lazy man from tailoring it to the maximum? If he has no other income, there is no tax penalty. And what is a bare pittance for 4 people with large medical bills would be quite a nice sum for a single person with no medical bills. |
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What prevents a lazy man from abusing the current system? |
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