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Some doors have a window right next to them, some of which wide
enough for an arm to reach through if broken. This is a potential
break-in point (no pun intended) because a burglar could then reach
in and flip over the lock to open. One could foil such a burglar by
installing a lock that needs
a key on both sides... BUT then of course
losing your key can also get you locked IN your house-oops :) this
type of door also presents quite a hazard, because if your house ever
started on fire you'd have to dig around for a key and you may forget
where it is in a panic. Leaving the key in the door would defeat the
purpose of having a double-sided lock in the first place
This "fake out" lock basically is a dead-bolt lock that opens normally
from the outside with a key, but it has a pop-out inside handle that,
when pushed in, looks like a key hole, because the handle is flush
with the inside lock part of the door, and has a slot that is designed
to look (and feel) like a keyhole. To open from the inside, you
simply push on the key hole part and it pops out, with a small indent
on one side to aid in turning it. This way, if a burglar breaks the
window on or near the door with the intent of unlocking the door,
he/she would feel the inside of the door and think that it was a
both-side-key door. If they pushed on the keyhole part, and it
popped out, they may then think that the door is broken and then
seek another method of entry.
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Bad ideas are crap and you're on laxatives. |
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This is only going to work on a very specific subset of burglars. Namely, absolutely freaking nobody. |
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I'm sorry, Dick, but this is laughable. Try again or just delete this anno for being too caustic. |
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I agree. It has been a long string. |
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I am sure burglars are not clever, and having more randomly weird setups will surely confound and confusticate them, and drive them off to burgle somewhere with a standard Yale barrel just to save their wee heads from hurting. [+] |
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"This is only going to work on a very specific subset of
burglars. Namely, absolutely freaking nobody." |
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This pop out thing is on the INSIDE ONLY why the heck
would it ever be on the outside? From the outside, the
door would still be a NORMAL keyed-entry door. WHY ON
EARTH WOULD A BURGLAR EVER THINK TO PUSH IN A
KEYHOLE WHEN IT'S FLUSH WITH THE SURROUNDING
SURFACE??? He/she would *not* be able to see any subtle
differences in the lock when they're groping around on the
other side to get in, and a window on the opposite wall
would be way too far away to tell them if it's really a
double sided lock or not. |
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"Bad ideas are crap" that is just about the stupidest thing
I've ever heard. Who doesn't know that unless they've
never heard the word "crap" before! (and i know your're
just going to say that about my idea as well, dont bother
because I'll just erase that- I did not do that with your first
comment because erasing comments tends to be frowned
upon here:) |
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Whoa. I've had worse ideas. |
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OK, I didn't post them. But still.... |
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[pssst....daseva......Dick6's bun ratio is marginally higher
than yours.....] |
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Cute, Max. Listen, dick, I'm just giving you a hard time. I just don't think it would work very well, that's all. Max, when did you get the peacekeeper badge? It looks nice resting next to the calculator you didn't use to get that number... what do you call it.. A bun ratio? Do you mean bun:bone ratio? And is 'marginal' really something to whisper about? Don't you write scientific journals? Nobody cares about marginal differences. Besides, sometimes I like posting a bony idea. People seem to have fun with them. As long as there's more 'hmm' than 'zzz'. Anyways, you wouldn't know... You're too busy counting buns on that calculator. |
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Actually, it was a slide-rule that I didn't use. I find
calculators far too inflexible in their interpretation. |
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[normzone] (looks over his abacus, notched stick collection, and reticles, reaches for his dice and tossing coins). |
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[maxwellbuchanan] (digs out his Curta from behind the
elephant-foot umbrella stand; pauses to wonder why he has
an elephant-foot umbrella stand, but no elephant-foot
umbrellas to put in it). |
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[a dwarf] (appears, carrying an axe. It realises it is on the
wrong website and hurries through a passageway leading
east). |
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I cannot figure out if these 2-key hole locks already exist, or if one would need to bring them into existence for a time to pull off this fakeout. |
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/and then seek another method of entry./ |
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I propose a fake and easily opened door which opens into a fake interior containing cheap, shoddy and grease-stained goods as well as dead bugs and some dried dog poop. The burglar, obtaining access, would be put off and perhaps shamed by the obvious poverty within and leave empty handed. |
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So now we know how you protect your house, [bungs] - except in your case, it isn't a fake ..... |
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[MB} we will offfer you USD $220 for the Unbrella stand, or swap for a very nice genuine Louis XIV black-and-white television in real simulated plastic effect. |
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[A Minbari] appears, carrying [a jewelled ear trumpet] full of [phasers], looks round worriedly, realises he is on the wrong website too, and hurries off after the [dwarf] though a [passageway leading East], pursued by [a tiny invisible black shape-changing space pixie]. |
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Once upon a time, I lived by myself in a very shoddy, very crime ridden trailer park. I prevented break-ins by burning through a clip or two of .45 ACP on the front porch once a week. |
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Everyone there knew what would happen if they got caught in my house. |
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Most of the crack dealers also subscribed to this particular security system ... Fresh from my first deployment, it was almost nostalgic hearing my neighbors deter their more persistent "clients". |
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I don't think this idea would fool any but the most desperate, least intelligent of thieves. Pocmloc, you're a moron and a patsy if you don't there are clever burglars. Just because somebody does something that's illegal doesn't mean they're uneducated. In fact, many of the most successful thieves and burglars are college educated. Apparently, you have no idea how hard it is to crack a safe using precise measurements of nitroglycerine (too little and it won't crack, too much you die) or hydrochloric acid, or disable a perimeter security system that has infrared motion sensors and invisible laser beams that trigger silent alarms. |
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Crime is not a task for the unintelligent. Those are the ones who get caught. It's a task for the brilliant, as evidenced by the fact that good ones are the ones who don't get caught and you never hear about in the news. You should watch the show "To Catch a Thief" sometime. Or even better, "Masterminds". |
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As to the idea, if the thief pushed in on the lock and it popped out, they'd probably figure out pretty quickly what it's for. Of course, for houses I've lived in, the narrow window alongside the door is on the other side from the lock, making it impossible to open by reaching through. In the house I currently live in, you'd have to have a reach of almost 4 feet to reach the lock through the window. I seems to me that the answer to your dilemma is as simple as sensible building design. |
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//Crime is not for the unintelligent//
to the contrary, the majority of criminals work darkside versions of "Do you want fries with that?". |
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[Dc]'s mechanism may indeed fool the class of criminal that looks to break in to a run-of-the-mill house to grab a couple TV's and laptops. |
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//Max, when did you get the peacekeeper badge?// His dwarf stole it from my place when I left the fake lock undone. |
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Anyway, he's broadly right. Although a raccoon on laxatives is a step up from the famous 'You're a doodiehead', you were getting more personal than you needed to. Crush and mutilate the idea, if necessary, but not the poster. |
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I have to agree that this isn't the worst idea. Double sided
locks are common (and commonly referred to as suicide
locks). My last house had them, and I left a key on the inside
except when I was going to be gone for a while.
An
alternative that looks similar, with a different function might
be an additional deterrent. It probably wouldn't stop more
intelligent criminals, but it would stop the idiot drug addict
looking for a few bucks to feed their habit, which makes up a
depressingly large proportion of home invasions. |
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"As to the idea, if the thief pushed in on the lock and it
popped out, they'd probably figure out pretty quickly what
it's for" |
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But WHY would they ever think to PUSH IN a key hole?
When a door is locked do you push in the lock? I would
think that if they thought it was a double sided lock they
would attempt to just pick the outside part. Indeed, if
they were attempting to pick the inside part something
they would do in the process may cause it to pop out, but
I highly doubt they would blindly try to jimmy an inside
keyhole on the other side of the door when they could
just pick it from the outside. |
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robber walks up to door, brakes window, and puts hand
through to feel around on the inside of the door. Feels a
key slot instead of a knob. Thief goes "oh it's one of those
%*&#^% double sided locks!!!" and so tries to just pick the
lock instead, or break through a big window and climb in.
the sound of the shattering glass meanwhile may have
drawn attention to the robber who is now outside the door
trying to pick the lock. |
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One way one could do something like this would be to have a
double sided lock but then put a key on a long, colored
string, and tape it out of the reach of any window, but well
within the reach of anyone on the inside of the house. |
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What happens if a burglar reads your post? What
happens in 2 years when every other burglar knows
this? This is security through obscurity. I have to
vote [-] just from that standpoint. |
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[ixnaum] - I would have thought that obscurity was a valid method; if said crim has never seen a security system like yours before (be it mechanical, electrical, digital, whatever) then the likelyhood of them being able to break it is low. |
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[neutrinos_shadow] the first criminal won't be able
to break it. But all it takes is one. One guy figures it
out somehow, and this idea is useless within months
- years. |
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I tried to calculate my bun ratio, but the answer keeps coming out as "A suffusion of yellow". |
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You're not a shitty raccoon, [Dickcheney6]. But the first five of yas can go jump off a bridge! |
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This idea reminds me of every time I play chess. Strategizing in the wrong directions, expecting precise actions from a vague opponent, etc etc. |
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I hate to get in the way of a nice flamewar, but has anyone considered the practicality of the device? |
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You're attempting "security through obscurity" -- a process where the suspect is unable to gain entry because he doesn't know how the lock works. |
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Most professional burglars keep abreast of new products. |
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Your product would quickly become well known, recognized from the outside, and lend itself to being sought out even more because of its "feature". |
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Worst case scenario, this is no more risky than a traditional
inside handle dead-bolt. Next case, if it is manufactured to
be identical to other dual key locks, the burglar needs to
decide if they want to break the window on the chance it has
a hidden internal handle.
This does therefore provide additional security over a handle
dead-bolt, while providing more safety than a dual key dead-
bolt, it is a trade off. |
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The most obvious solution here is a partition between the
window and the door, to make such reaching impossible. That or
some sort of biometric scanner. |
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"Your product would quickly become well known,
recognized from the outside" |
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How would a normal keyhole on the OUTSIDE make it
distinctive from a traditional dead bolt? For that matter,
what on the outside would differentiate between a
deadbolt with a handle on the inside and a double sided
lock? |
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Unless you can closely examine the inside of the door from
the outside, there's no way anyone would know from the
outside. If there's a window opposite the door, it's
doubtful one could see the SUBTLE cosmetic difference
between a fake key hole and a real one from that distance. |
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One COULD however see a normal thumbturn style lock
from a window opposite the door :) |
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