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One of the people trying to help families get back together after Katrina pointed out on the news tonight that people were mistaken if they thought all of the missing children databases were connected. Just because you put a picture of a child on the Red Cross web site doesn't mean it will be pushed
to all of the other databases.
Google could fix this. It already has the image search feature. All it has to do it publish a naming convention for photos, something like "Disaster - Katrina - Male - Caucasion - Current Location - Name'. That way when it screen scrapes the web it will pick up all of the available pictures from unconnected databases and put them on one site for searching.
Google Advanced Image Search
http://www.google.c..._image_search?hl=en
Here are the current text-based limitations on Google's Image Search capabilities. Image comparison capability would be a huge leap. [jurist, Sep 08 2005]
Image Comparer Software
http://www.bolideso.../imagecomparer.html
I don't think this software is robust enough to perform the function described in this idea, but it's on the right track. Unfortunately, few aftermath pictures of disaster victims look very much like their official passport, driver's license, or recent birthday photos to simplify the task. [jurist, Sep 08 2005]
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
http://www.missingkids.com/
Given that these guys have been put in charge of matching children and parents, isn't this idea somewhat moot, unless you believe they are not up to it? [DrCurry, Sep 09 2005]
Katrina victims on Yahoo!
http://boards.news.yahoo.com/boards/
[ldischler, Sep 10 2005]
Katrina victims on Firstgov.gov
http://www.firstgov...rina_Recovery.shtml
[ldischler, Sep 10 2005]
Katrina safe list at CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/...05/hurricanes/list/
Searchable and well organized [ldischler, Sep 10 2005]
Google Katrina
http://www.google.com/katrina.html
Baked in record time! [krelnik, Sep 13 2005]
SearchKatrina.org
http://www.searchkatrina.org/
Baked by Louisiana Tech [krelnik, Sep 15 2005]
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Google's stock price was trading at $295.39, last time I looked. This idea could push them over $300 (again). |
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Does Google's existing image search feature allow you to upload an existing photo image and then somehow compare it to images in its database? That seems considerably more sophisticated than I thought was currently available.[link] |
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After 9/11, it was widely storied that some people had taken advantage of the opportunity to disappear, letting everyone assume they had died in the disaster. |
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I was wondering tonight if some parents, and others, will take the opportunity to do the same thing in Louisiana. |
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jurist - I don't think Google has an upload feature that could do that now. There are facial recognition programs that could do something like that though - maybe Google could license one of them as a public service to accomplish what you suggested. |
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Awww [DrCurry], what a terrible thing to say. Time to turn the channel. |
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[DrCurry], the same thing happened after the tsunami. |
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Wouldn't this just create yet another disconnected database?
I think a meta-submission and meta-search application would be easier to build and more effective. |
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DrCurry, - so, what you're saying is this could turn into 'google child support agency'? |
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jutta, - very much agreed: instead of attempting to group them by keeping them in one place or through one resource, they should all be given a specific set of shared aspects which enables a variety of suitable search tools or applications to find them and do the grouping, each to themselves. I'm still quite foggy about exactly how this rss/atom/rsi/rdf whatever it all is, actually happens, and who uses it. |
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I thought this was to be more like a sort of digital "mug book" for family and friends of missing persons. As a family member you would post the most recent characteristic physical description and photo you possessed of your missing relative. The "Google Disaster" photo archive would discreetly search photographs of unidentified victims for a multi-point match, so that the affected families can be appropriately and sensitively informed if their relative or friend has been located. |
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How is this connected to rss/atom/rsi/rdf? Or am I showing my cluelessness once again? |
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jutta and Ian - The problem with creating a meta-submission and search application is just that - creating it. Unfortunately most agencies are territorial when it comes to their current database systems, and even those that aren't don't have the resources or a mechanism in place to merge their information. (Waiting for FEMA to design something like this is probably a bad idea considering the state of their current efforts in New Orleans.) The advantage of using Google is that it already exists and can do much of what's needed. |
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jurist - Your description of the idea as a sort of digital mug book is accurate as far as my original intent goes. |
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[jutta,ian] This is a naming protocol, which would then allow disparate databases to all be searched by named attibutes. |
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With this idea, I could just post a picture on any website or even blog, and as long as I name it with this standard, it will be easily found through a search. If somone found a child, they could ask the kid's name, and in a quick search by those attributes, could verify by photo if this was the same kid, and then contact the parents. |
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[+++]/[-] the only minus being that google already has enough power, intellectual resources, etc, and shouldn't be getting freebies from the HB. But this is outweighed by the service to those in need. |
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I agree with sophocles. Google has the necessary features, if anyone wants to use them. We at the hb have already solved all the major problems; we can’t be tying up every loose end. Yes, I believe we’re done. It’s time to rest on our laurels. (Especially now that Brown has been replaced at FEMA--at least partially. They listened to the president of Jefferson Parish, who said, "Take whatever idiot they have at the top of whatever agency and give me a better idiot. Give me a caring idiot. Give me a sensitive idiot. Just don't give me the same idiot.") |
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//It’s time to rest on our laurels.//
Yay! |
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Also useful for ID'ing criminals? |
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There is a lot of work and study going on, by the Markle Foundation and others, as to how to de-silo the DBs that surround US law-enforcement, security, customs, etc. |
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I do wonder if they'll ever be successful. |
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J--Feel free to delete it. |
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idischler's link seems to have gone now. |
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Sorry about that. The owner seems to have made it unavailable. |
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Hey! Google baked this already! How's that for service? See link. |
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Found another one, baked by Dr. Box Leangsuksun, an associate professor of computer science at Louisiana Tech. See link. |
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Cool! Now if we can just get Google to solve the welfare mess... |
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