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Some have claimed that a lunar colony will never be able to support itself because the moon's longer rotational period will wreak havoc with growing crops. Others suggest working around this, by putting rotating greenhouses at the poles, or using grow lamps and batteries.
Avoiding for a moment
the problem of glass walls that need to be several feet thick, I would like to propose an alternative method for growing greenhouses: make them move with the sun.
Using circumlunar electric rail transport, with periodic solar panels set up as sun shades over the track to provide power and day/night cycles seems like the most logical setup. Glass walls can be replaced with fiber optic cables, in an idea I will post separately.
Those who want details can stay tuned for the grueling mathematical examination of the concept which I am writing below:
The moon has a synodic period (from new moon to new moon) every 29.5305882 days, or once every 708.7341168 hours, whichever comes first.
The moon's diameter is 3476 km, and by judicial use of the concept of Pi and radii, I can therefore calculate that the moon's circumference should be about 10914.64 km.
This means that the terminator of the moon (no, not Arnold... the line between dark and light) moves around the equator at a speed of approximately 15.4 kilometers per hour as the eagle flies.
Of course, rail transport would not be moving in a perfectly straight line. The tracks would need to curve a bit here and ther to get around mountains. I understand that surface routes tend to be about three times longer than air travel for this reason, and the vehicle would therefore need an average speed of about 46.2 km/hr.
As with most rail transport, it would also need to stop occasionally, to unload cargo, undergo maintenance and repairs, and possibly to accept commuters on one garden-like leg of their commute (return trips would be provided by non-greenhouse vehicles, for obvious reasons.) This down time may account for as much as half of a vehicl'es moving life, and therefore, the trains would likely need a maximum speed of twice their average speed, meaning that the trains would need to be capable of traveling at 92.4 km/hr.
Those of us with the sad need to see things in miles per hour will be pleased to know that this Lunar Green Line will apparently need a top speed of less than 60 miles per hour That's a little slow for most industrial rail cars, and the load on the trucks could be significant, due to needing water, and soil, or hydroponic grow mediums, but it's certainly nothing compared to Japanese bullet trains, and with lower gravity, and no atmosphere to produce drag, I suspect this moderate freeway speed train should be wholly feasable at the equator.
Since the equator is the widest part of the earth, such a system would be even easier to setup at other locations, and therefore, this idea could be applied to any locale on the moon. Food production no longer needs to be the sole domain of polar colonies, and huge batteries will not be required. Fiberoptic solar power
Unused_20fiberoptic_20solar_20power Cheaper to move the light. No moving parts! [bungston, Feb 23 2007]
Mecury 2.0 (the planet)
Mercury_202_2e0_20(the_20planet) It was actually bungston's anno about rails [MercuryNotMars, Feb 23 2007]
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dodging obsticles? Stopping? are you trying to make night and day by moving the rails? |
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If your idea is any good why would there be anything else besides more of the same? |
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You might as well simply keep up with the sun and make the rails straight. simulating night time is probably easier than having unused daytime rail that will be exposed to higher temperatures. |
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Dodging obsticles at high speed in a low gravity environment. You are going to need a lot more guide rollers like a roller coaster. |
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If you don't make momentum shifts then you can take full advantage of the low gravity and haul more. |
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If the poles work at all you can start small and expand from there. There is no need to start at the most expensive place to receive the first results. They don't have winter or summer on the moons poles and you are pretty close to stationary there. all you need to do is rotate a reflector but rails can be built near there with the same result only smaller investment before initial payback. |
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I don't understand bad solar radiation but I think you require a lot of mass between you and it. hydroponics and so on is only the beginning of the mass. You might get away with using a lot of water. I saw an old moon movie where they hid behind some water tanks when the solar flare went by. |
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We had some similar annotations on my idea "Mercury 2.0 (the planet)" link posted. |
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This idea is very much a scion of mercury 2.0. Except I think on mercury the idea was to stay in the dark. |
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Why foot thick glass? 1 ATM ~ 14.7 PSI.
Fracture strength of glass ~10000 PSI.
Depending on panel size, mounting design, and desirability of impact resistance from clumsy gardeners, any significant (greater than ~ 1/8") should be plenty.
(For the record research subs deal with a lot more than a 1 atm pressure differential, and their windows are typically under 1" polycarbonate, ultimate strength 9500 PSI) |
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Too expensive and complex. Satellite mounted mirrors in stationary orbit would reflect sunlight to the dark side at a much lower cost. Greenhouses would simply revolve with the moon's surface through the reflected light, which would also provide power for photovoltaics. |
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//mirrors in stationary orbit//
ie. on Earth (think about it).
The simplest answer (IMHO) is to artificially create the equivalent of sunlight, using stored power (from whatever is used to generate power on your moonbase). That way, you can 'tune' your lights to theexact frequencies and levels that the plants require, for better efficiency. |
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I guess the lunar houses prices would be slightly higher in those places where you got to see the countryside roll past every now and then. |
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//I guess the lunar houses prices would be slightly higher in those places where you got to see the countryside roll past every now and then.// |
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Im sure that wouldn't last long as major corporations would buy up any un-necessary space on the sides so that to those on the surface, it would be a big rolling billboard. the result would undoubtecly be that initially these high priced houses would pop up, only to be demolished and replaced by housing projects after the entire train had been covered in billboards. eventually, the corporations in charge of the train would be able to make more money off rent from the housing projects (which are on their land) and the advertisements (which are on their train) that they would eventually opt to remove the greenhouses and just have a rolling billboard (which is cheaper to maintain). thus the food source of the moon would collapse and everyone would starve to death watching coca-cola ads rolls by at 46 km/h. |
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Undoubtedly, this will indeed be what happens. Maybe then, the people on earth (assuming some have grown SO2 filters over their noses...) will tear down a few of these 57-room 10-car garage houses, and revert the 10-square yards of land around the rubble for use as farmland. |
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