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Max Taser Limit : One

Training vengance implies more than one so limit to one.
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If you're lucky you're local taser cop has been trained by taking a hit himself.

If you're unlucky this means he is a psychopath who is determined to make his first victim suffer at least two consequetive hits within a short space of time.

Ok, I was going to say max one taser hit. But now I've going to say that law enforcement are totally entitled to frazzle anyone provided they go through the same simulated sequence themselves e.g. one shock followed by 20 seconds of verbal abuse while they are disorientated per shock administered. That is, they can never shock to others what they haven't experienced themselves, god willing (Matthew 7:12). To play safe maybe any enforcing officer should undergo that suffered by his own hand plus one (we live in stressed moral times).

bigsleep, Jun 10 2012


       I whole-heartedly agree that police officers should voluntarily experience both mace and a taser strike.   

       However, I think that this statement:   

       // If you're unlucky this means he is a psychopath who is determined to make his first victim suffer at least two consequetive hits within a short space of time. //   

       is _way_ off-base. Police officers are generally not sadists, and they are almost definitely not psychopaths. Law enforcement academies screen for that sort of thing. Most cops genuinely want to help people. They don't want to cause suffering. If they did, they'd be dentists instead.
Alterother, Jun 10 2012

       Personally speaking the whole dentist thing is covered by "Do you want to have the filling now or make an appointment ?" or worst case "I'm really busy right now, all things considered, I think I should make an appointment."   

       I'm just saying, shock +1 is what the cop gets. Ok, one for one if just one. A trigger happy cop gets more. I mean why utterly disorientate and paralyze more than once ?   

       I guess I should refine the idea to first-time mandatory training of post-shock shouting and compliance on the side of road in adverse conditions e.g. when he's driving home for dinner on a friday. It's either that or we go with the idea that people are perfectly rational after a good 30 second sleep, I mean shocking sensation under ECT.   

       Tasers sound barbaric in the UK, but I guess they are a step up from a chest full of holes while trying to get out your passport.
bigsleep, Jun 10 2012

       The dentist comment was a joke.   

       Why disorientate and paralyze more than once? Because some buggers just won't stay down. A single jolt from a taser does fuck-all to a street monster with a headful of PCP. Even the octogenarian grandma that went into cardiac arrest after being tased a while back, as tragic as that incedent was, refused to submit after the first hit and in fact actually laid a blow on one of the responding officers before they could get another dart into her. They could have subdued her by other means, yes, but I can tell you from personal experience that when somebody's swinging a bat at your face it's hard to logically think things through.   

       I don't think forcing an officer who has tased someone to take a jolt in retribution is a good idea. I do think that compulsory tasing during training is a good idea. I've been voluntarily hit by a stun gun, which is like tasing without having the skin punctured, and having that experience would make a cop think about exactly how long he or she wants to hold the trigger down.
Alterother, Jun 10 2012

       //A single jolt from a taser does fuck-all to a street monster with a headful of PCP//   

       As a mild mannered and principled drug free kind of guy I think a single jolt from a taser would be equivalent to a shot of PCP, whatever that is. Is it like being electrocuted and disorientated for a bit so you have no idea what is going on ? Just sayin'. A controlled exposure to your own medicine is one thing, but out of the blue and out or your experience is another. Cops administering shocks think "well I've already been through it", but are they thinking "When I'm 60, would I really like that while being shouted at, 3 times in a row ? Would my heart even last that long? I don't have that much left"
bigsleep, Jun 10 2012

       [21 Quest] Yeah, its a worry.   

       On the flippant side, "a seasoned policeman", presumably has been trained by trial salt and pepper spraying.
bigsleep, Jun 10 2012


       I never said the screening was absolutely 100% effective, I just meant that it's a little off-base to automatically assume that an officer using excessive force is a sadistic psychopath.   

       Also, I think that many agencies are severely lax in regularly screening veteran officers. It's unsafe to simply assume that somebody who's been on an even keel for many years doesn't have something building up inside them.
Alterother, Jun 10 2012

       //It's unsafe to simply assume that somebody who's been on an even keel for many years doesn't have something building up inside them.//   

       <madonna style vocals>Like a pensioner tasered for the very first time</msv>
bigsleep, Jun 10 2012

       I guess I'm tainted on the subject by living my whole life in a place where that sort of thing doesn't happen much. After reading the account you just cited, I agree, that's pretty fucked up. It smacks of an irreparably broken system.   

       Around here, police brutality is rarely an issue. Cops are occasionally censured for excessive force or (more often) harrassment, but overall (Lewiston-Auburn excluded) Maine is an easy beat to walk and most cops are pretty decent people. The one time I was arrested (in the immediate aftermath of a violent brawl; charges were quickly dropped), the officer was very nice about it, actually bordering on polite. That's probably given me an unrealistically favorable perspective.
Alterother, Jun 10 2012

       Yeah, that's a point. I was madder than hell and had to be restrained, but I never actually fought with the cops themselves. The officer who was nicest was the one who ended up sitting on me; I think he was using casual conversation as a tactic to calm me down.   

       Still, from what you've said, I think I'm pretty isolated from the kind of thing you're talking about.
Alterother, Jun 10 2012

       //The officer who was nicest was the one who ended up sitting on me//   

       If anyone did that to me I'd be incredibly annoyed. How the hell would I know it is normal for a police officer to sit on me ? Taser me ? Once, twice, three times and dead ? Do I need biometrics to get into the states safely these days if I'm a bit nervous ? I went to Vegas many years ago, but now it sounds like a death sentence for someone wanting a good time but not a total shake-down.
bigsleep, Jun 10 2012

       <"So, by the same reasoning, judges shouldn't be allowed to sentence anyone unless they've served the same time in jail?">   

       Wait, that seems like a real question: How can people who have no idea what it does do to you dispense fair justice? It's like giving out justice with a dose of painful medicine but not knowing what the painful medicine felt like, and just using whatever dose you thought fit the crime. It's pathological to have people who have no notion of the actual implications of spending years in prison deciding how many years a person should spend in prison for a crime, and yet, that is precisely what we have.
WcW, Jun 10 2012

       So in this thread we have notorious anti-personal- choice right-wing neo-fascist [21Q] criticizing the police for their overzealous enforcement actions and famed pot-smoking Ruby Ridge-style anarchist hippie [Alterother] coming to their defense. Love it.
ytk, Jun 10 2012

       // They don't want to cause suffering. If they did, they'd be dentists instead. //   

       No, they'd be Geography teachers.   

       //rubber bullets, beanbag rounds fired from a .12 gauge shotgun, and struck with a baton. //   

       Add to that 9mm Parabellum rounds via a kevlar flak vest (surprisingly mild), ARWEN 38mm baton rounds to the lower limbs (quite remarkably painful and incapacitating), and Being married To A Woman That Likes Horses (horrendous).   

       12-gauge beanbag - or rubber pellet - rounds aren't that bad, nor are the "rubber ball" grenades. They sting briefly, but aren't incapacitating. Likewise, anything with capsacin is liable to have limited effects on dedicated, indeed enthusiastic, consumers of extra-hot curry and chilli.   

       For maximum effectiveness, we highly recommend the "crap grenade" (q.v.).   

       Take the cardboard inner tube from a roll of toilet tissue. Fill same with the animal excrement of your choice (cat is highly recommended; a respirator may be necessary to prevent vomiting). Insert into the core of said device a Mk. VIII Thunder-Flash training device.   

       Initiate the fuse, introduce the assembly into the sleeping-place of the victim.   

       Be assured that any individual who has been exposed to 100 grammes of superheated atomized cat excrement in a highly confined space is still going to have "odour issues" up to 72 hours later, no matter how much they wash themselves and their kit.   

       Oh, how we laughed.
8th of 7, Jun 10 2012

       I wish everyone would just smoke their bud at home and stop bothering [21Quest].
Alterother, Jun 10 2012

       I was wondering which of you would bite.   

       Actually, I wasn't really wondering. I knew it wouldn't be [Alter].
ytk, Jun 10 2012

       Funny how this slipped from tasers to pot...   

       From what I have been able to determine brutality from law enforcement seems directly tied to the size of the town/city they have to enforce.
Whether this has to do with the sheer number of perps or if bad cops just gravitate toward population centers I don't know.
Just recently a vacation video from German tourists surfaced showing a bi-polar man, off his meds and swinging a bike chain and lock, was disarmed on his hands and knees in a group of many officers, yet get shot in the head... in fucking Canada... and it comes to light five years after the fact when the tourists screwed up enough courage to send the video to someone in authority.

       I don't trust authority. Perhaps if the rights I have been 'granted' had been defended as strictly as the rights I am denied are enforced I would feel differently   

       ...but I don't.   

       [21Q], why do you get so worked up when it comes to marijuana? Nobody even mentioned pot in this thread until I made a jocular reference to [Alterother]'s use of it, which apparently prompted you to take a sharp left turn straight into downtown Foaming-at-the-Mouth.   

       Is it that you still feel guilty about that pot brownie you tried eleven years ago? Don't worry—the Feds aren't going to find out and throw you in a prison cell with (Una)Bubba. Jesus ain't gonna send you to Hell neither, if you're worried about that. Just let it go, man.
ytk, Jun 11 2012

       I wonder if this would be a good time to mention that the second-hand 'contact high' is a myth? Just because you can smell it doesn't mean you're going to get knocked out of your tree.   

       Oh, and I'm not an anarchist, I'm an individualist. Anarchists are silly self-deluding wankers who will be in for a big shock if they ever get what they think they want. Otherwise, the description was hilariously flattering.
Alterother, Jun 11 2012

       It's a tricky one this - but I do wonder whether you have to draw a link between police brutality and the general enarmedness of the population. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in the UK (because it does) but in general, I think it's not unreasonable to suggest that if your job is to police, you're generally going to be more up-tight if you know that your average punter is more likely to be packing deadly weaponry than if they're not. I'm not arguing for or against firearms being available to all - that's another argument, for another day - or even more preferably, not for another day. All I'm saying is that if you, as a police officer feel a very real threat of more-deadly violence in your day-to-day job, that's probably going to have an effect on your general disposition, and leading on from that, the amount of patience you're going to have when dealing with someone's lack of cooperation. To put it bluntly, they're going to be more "twitchy".
zen_tom, Jun 11 2012

       Seconded. Or second-handed. Or whatever.
Alterother, Jun 11 2012

       They probably aren't answering your questions and objections because they have little or no education on the subject they're so adamantly proponing. I've found the same to be true with streetcorner bible-thumpers.   

       The next time you get accosted by one, ask him/her/it one of the following questions:   

       What are the six psycho-active cannabinoids? (tetrahydrocannibinol^8, tetrahydrocannibinol^9, tetrahydrocannabivarin, cannibidiol, cannibinol, & cannabichromene)   

       How many strains of Cannabis are there, and which one is used for medicinal purposes? (Sativa, Indica, Afghana, & Ruderalis; Indica is the primary medicinal strain)   

       Which neuroreceptors interact with cannabinoids? (CB, CBD, & GABA)   

       Who is Jorge Cervantes and what is his real name? (George van Patten; he's the world's leading expert on Marijuana horticulture)   

       That's the first five minutes of Medicinal Marijuana 101. If they can't provide at least partial answers to any of those questions, they are fools and they have no business pushing Cannabis legislation, and you can tell them I said so.
Alterother, Jun 11 2012

       Far more people are adversely affected by second-hand driving than by second-hand pot smoking.
spidermother, Nov 02 2012


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