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All im proposing is the newest halfbakery
comments go to the top because I find it a
bit
tedious always having to scroll all the way
down.
yawn...
Solution_20to_20the...posting_22_20debate
[hippo, Aug 01 2008]
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tedeous? after a whole day? |
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well youtube does it and I think its smart |
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Alternately, you could turn your screen upside-down, or stand on your head. |
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Now you mention YouTube, you remind me of what it is that makes me feel uncomfortable about the layout of that site. |
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Whenever a comment is a response to something similar, you have to delve into the comment history before you know what it is talking about. |
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Top-Posted comments are fine if all people are going to say is "COOL! Great Abs!" or "She's all heart!" or "Hahahahahaha! SOOOO Funny" etc - but when the comments start responding to one another, linking semantically to one another, rather than the headline item, bottom posting is the natural thing to do. That way you can read the ebb and flow of the comment-stream in a way that mirrors the natural development of the conversation. |
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Annotations commonly follow an order that is intended to be read chronologically. This would mess up that and then we wouldn't be happy anymore. |
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yea your right tom I didnt think about
commens replying to one another. |
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On the other hand a "jump to most recent" button would be kind of nice especially for those ideas that generate a lot of conversation. |
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What, like the "recent" link on the left? |
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No, more like having each link to an idea actually comprise of a fragment identifier that puts you at the most recent comment since your last visit to that idea. |
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Ian, the halfbakery software doesn't keep per-user idea visit data like that - I didn't want to write to the database every time a user clicks on something. (Of course, the web server itself does do that, so it's not impossible.)
I have tried out jumping to the first annotation since the user's last *session*, and it felt claustrophobic - I wanted more context than that gave me. There's probably a "sweet spot" a few annotations back that would work, especially in combination with a bookmark of some sort that points to where one left off. |
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If scrolling to the end of the conversation seems too tedious one can always just press the "End" button located on most standard keyboards and jump to the final and most recent comments. Problem sorted. |
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[jurist] thanks for that - if I knew that before I'd forgotten it! |
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I thought the whole point of the site was to keep those of us who were stuck in cubicles at work all day. otherwise occupied. The more to read/scroll/muck through, the better. |
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Less time working or being productive=:-) |
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jutta, - yes, I get the same feeling now that I'm reading every single flickr group I'm a member of, via google reader. On one hand it makes it vastly easier to ignore stupidly titled threads, such as 'question' or 'what is this?', but on the other hand, each contribution to the thread is a separate feed morsel, with 'Re-' prefixing it and if I read them top down, I start with the most recent, and absolutely lose context. |
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Even if I start at the bottom*, then I still completely forget what the original post was, and what this is a reply to. |
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*(which I must say, is actually more meaningful, and represents a more analogous passage into the future, if it weren't for the design of scrolling panes within web surfaces homing to the top rather than the bottom of the list) |
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I was going to suggest this, but figured I'd get mugged. I read the HB usually on my phone during breif moments of inactivity and finding the latest post to "N-Prize" takes forever. I understand the argument for top down listing, but I don't have an "end" key so would love a "go to bottom/go to most recent" I have seen on many sites. This still may not help me though as this phone's browser is probably not what Jutta is designing for. |
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Is it really the navigation that takes long, or the download? |
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You're using low-res mode, right? |
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Which phone/browser software is this? |
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We could have a jump-to-the-end button if the idea is really long or has more than N annotations - that way, we don't clutter up the usual shorter pages. |
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I don't actually have an 'end' key on my usual keyboard. I know the combination on my MacBook or iBook is 'function + right (or function + down, which seems more logical, but each time I try that first, which reminds me it's not that). But when I work at my desk, I plug it into a usb hub which connects it to the scanner, a mouse, and an old Apple keyboard that I found in a skip many years ago that originally was for those roundish semitransparent iMacs. That keyboard doesn't have any end key at all, so it's usually a case of either scroll scroll scroll with the mouse, or can't be arsed and find a shorter idea (more often than not). |
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Incidentally, I wouldn't mind a nice way of using the halfbakery on my ipod touch in respect of this scrolling requirement. |
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[jutta] I have a Motorola Q with Win Mobile 6 and the browser does pretty well with the site. I don't use the low res site, the regular res looks perfect. I set the browser for single column almost always. This turns the site into a single tall column. I have no touch screen so I just arrow down to get to the bottom of the ideas as I generally read the annos as they are made. Even the longest ideas will load and format in seconds but on heavily commented ideas I just hold down the down arrow and wait the 15 seconds till the scrolling ends. |
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I like the previous ideas for a subtle link that would just drop me to the bottom of the page, using the title makes sense. |
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Just did an rough timing and it took 10 seconds to open "N-Prize" and 70 seconds to get to the bottom on this phone. |
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I don't know if maybe I'm missing a trick, but with "(Mostly) Lame Halfbakery Taglines" I have to search around quite a bit to find the latest morsel, since it isn't at the end. Ditto most ideas by Vernon. |
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So i think there should be a most recent
but and when you open the page it is on
the same format as now. |
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you could go to Multiply and they let you set up your annos like that... |
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Heh, it's funny, but I can't even remember my Multiply password*, I use it so little. It's just a walled garden, unable to interact bidirectionally with the outside world. Most of my attention goes to friendfeed these days, and Multiply can't work with that, although I see Multiply rss stuff on Google Reader from people I must've been associated with on Multiply. |
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* there was a while I got in with a correctly guessed password on my iPod Touch, a few months ago, but that hasn't been repeated successfully. |
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I deleted my Multiply account earlier this year in a fit of electronic tidying-up. |
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Can't get in. I'm away from home for a couple of months, and the Naziware at work has decided that Multiply is a Dating Site. |
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good lord, I may have to start phoning people. |
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eggy, does that mean that home is here if you know what I mean? |
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Home is wherever he leaves his hat. |
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Home is wherever he leaves his croissant. |
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Wherever I leave my hat, that's my hatstand. Wibble. |
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My Hat Stand also serves croissants, in addition to breakfast burritos and tiffin falafels. We're multicultural. |
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//Which phone/browser software is this?// |
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I have recently taken to reading the halfbakery on my "nokia 2600 classic" using its built in browser and "opera mini" which was downloaded from somewhere. One has me logged in, which is convenient for posting a quick (and short) annotation while waiting for the coffee to cool at the cafeteria. |
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Browsing large ideas frequently give me a "out of memory" error. It takes a long time to scroll to the bottom of popular, and therefore frequently annotated, ideas. I am scrolling past stuff I have read which takes time. |
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Once ideas have grown past a certain size, the */lr version could be divided into pages, so mobile readers could jump to the last page if that is what they want. |
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While still keeping to the chronological order of things. |
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<disclaimer> This was posted using the computer </d> |
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