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This would be a simple clip-on that could be attached to something like the sheet music choir members were reading during practice (or to the inside edge of the lens of their glasses during a performance) that would glow green when they're on key the same way an electronic tuner does when you're tuning
a guitar. It would make it a lot easier for choir members to stay on key.
Antares Autotune
http://www.antarest...roducts/atr1a.shtml
Here it is... not the one I had originally thought of. [zigness, Jan 14 2006]
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As a choir member, I love this idea. |
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What [MissEva] said. I'd like to equip these with miniature taser prods and hand them out to certain singers of my acquaintance. |
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hmm. hmm... hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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The technology exists even though it has never been implemented in that manner. Some of the higher priced guitar/instrument tuners can accurately test any pitch in the spectrum. Usually when someone sings "off key" they are just slightly out of pitch. However, if the singer knows the key of the song, then he/she would also know which notes are supposed to be in that song. If the song is in the key of C and the singer sees the notes Bb, Eb, and F# on the scale, something is really wrong. |
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But something that could even follow the piano player is an excellent idea. Again, the technology exists even though it probably has never been used for this purpose. Roland makes a device that will change your voice into a 4 part harmony based on the keys played on the keyboard. Somewhere along the line that data could be pumped into a sophisticated tuner to compare the right note with the note being sung. |
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I am no expert but it seems to me that "which notes are supposed to be in that song" wouldn't work for some contemporary or even classical music. Also, in the case of pre-well-tempered music, the gizmo would have to distinguish between equal and (one of several types of) true tone. |
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//Why would you be in a choir if you can't sing?// [murdoch], you've not heard a lot of small choirs have you? |
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//Also, in the case of pre-well-tempered music, the gizmo would have to distinguish between equal and (one of several types of) true tone.// Oh, yeah, like THAT stuff is common. Give me a break. Please. |
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And of course by taking it a step further and adding signal processing, rather than telling the person they're off key, you just go ahead and correct the key on the fly. Which I recently discovered is something that the majority of no talent pop stars are already using - it's called an Antares Autotune. |
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//I don't think it would work very well live. It's not intended for real-time processing.// |
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From a web ad for the Antares Autotune: |
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"In addition to studio use, the Auto-Tune is also perfect for use in live situations! Imagine - no more embarrassing sour notes on stage!" |
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The person who told me about this swears it is used heavily in live performances, both by talentless boy-bands assembled for their looks, and on shows like Saturday Night Live. |
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If you really mean off-key and not off-pitch, I think the only application for this would be improv, because otherwise you're reading music and will naturally be on key (if you can read music). It would be nice for beginners to improv in jazz and rock, but more experienced musicians would have no use for it, and would even be able to go against what is says. |
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You didn't mention how it would work, but you could preset a bunch of keys, modes, and styles of music (ex. rock, swing, blues, latin) which would then be configured by the beginning improv student. However, a list of what notes sound good and which don't would do the job almost as well. |
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If you mean off-pitch, WKTE, although auto-tuners are not perfect. [+/-] |
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Certain models of the auto tune and auto tempo devices (Antares and others) are absolutely intended for live performance and haven't any perceivable latency. |
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[zigness] I strongly disagree. About the only time I'd expect a choir to sing in equal temperament is when they are singing with a fixed-pitch, equal temperament instrument such as a piano, and even then not necessarily. Or possibly for some highly unorthodox forms such as serialist or whole-tone music. |
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