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Plasma Discharge Jet Engine

use electrical energy to superheat air and produce thrust
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Firstly i need to emphasise this engine idea is part 2 of another idea i have yet to write. look for HTE post will publish shortly. there is a reason for doing it in this order.

Basically the engine consists of a plastic cylinder containing an aluminium ring, in the centre of the tube is a conductive tungsten/copper needle that can move up and down length ways. using the same principal that a van der graaf generator uses the aluminium ring builds up static charge and eventually produces an electrical arc between the needle and the aluminium ring. the position of the needle determines the charge needed to arc the gap and hence the amount of energy that can be displaced.

the basic idea is that if there are enough electrical arcs the air surrounding them will be plasmarized. if the plasma is encouraged to flow a certain direction the air pressure one side of the cylinder relatively high (intake side) compared to compared to very hot low pressure gases being exhausted on the other side thus creating thrust like a normal jet engine.

what do you think?

codrakon, Jul 25 2009

Van de Graaff generator http://en.wikipedia...de_Graaff_generator
I'm not sure your oscillating needle idea constitutes a generator. [sninctown, Jul 26 2009]

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       I think I'd like to know what the power source is.
I also think I like capital letters.
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Jul 25 2009
  

       It's a ramjet (well known technology) using an electrical discharge in place of a fuel.   

       The aluminium ring will erode very quickly at high current flows in the presence of an active arc and hot air.   

       [AWOL] is correct in asking about the energy source.
8th of 7, Jul 25 2009
  

       firstly capital letters are largely redundant. in English the full stop usually indicates the end of a sentence, and in this scenario why is it necessary to indicate the beginning of the next sentence using a capital letter? one can assume that the words following a period are a sentence and the first letter of that sentence is the beginning of that sentence...we do not need punctuation and capital letters to indicate the end and the beginning of subsequent sentences. capital letters have a place in proper nouns, abbreviations, anagrams etc.   

       the power source of this device is from the first part of the invention, yet to be published. namely a device called an HTE.   

       i am sure replacing the aluminium ring and needle in an engine periodically can be equated to replacing the oil filter, spark plugs, fan belts etc of a conventional engine. this does not concern me greatly.
codrakon, Jul 25 2009
  

       Vowels are largely redundant, also. Not using them would be stupid.   

       Also.   

       Using an arc to heat air is extremely inefficient. (Notice all the arc-based room heaters on the market? Right.)The heat energy is almost entirely transferred into the contacts at each end of the arc. Arc welding is much more efficient than oxy-acetylene welding for that exact reason. Piezo-spark lighters, oddly enough, are also effective for the same reason: the heat doesn't transfer out to the air well, and allows a small amount of air to be heated to incredible temperatures.
lurch, Jul 25 2009
  

       //vowels// YHWH to that [lurch]. I don't recognise your argument against capital letters [codrakon] - paragraphs too are "largely redundant" in those terms, but like capital letters, they provide a visual aid that helps make reading a block of text that much easier on the eye.
zen_tom, Jul 25 2009
  

       perhaps if the arc travelled a shorter distance and heated a thicker needle (hollow) this idea might be efficient enough to work. if the distance between the ring and needle is small enough the relative surface area of the needle to heat a smaller volume of air might make it feasible. "The heat energy is almost entirely transferred into the contacts at each end of the arc" could be the key to heating enough air, fast enough and efficiently enough - just increase the surface area of the contacts.   

       next the reason why the no capitals argument is unfamiliar is because it is my own argument. i think it is pretty sound. as for paragraphs and vowels these are necessary for obvious reasons. actually from my point of view the dropping of capitals from the beginning of the sentence actually advances the english language because it is now possible to disinguish a sentence that starts with a proper noun of the same spelling as another word.   

       for example:   

       Penny went shopping with me.   

       compared with   

       penny went shopping with me.   

       bad example but you get the point.
codrakon, Jul 25 2009
  

       electrical discharge jets *are* plasma, just not at the concentration hinted at in the post. And what's this crap about capital letters ?
FlyingToaster, Jul 25 2009
  

       I'm still waiting for the power source that is light enough to produce lift thrust in the form of electricity. waiting, waiting.... waiting.....
WcW, Jul 25 2009
  

       thssbddandssthvwlcmmnts
pocmloc, Jul 25 2009
  

       // replacing the aluminium ring and needle in an engine periodically //   

       Electric-arc Aluminium welding is performed using TIG, a Tungsten electrode and an Argon (or Argon/Helium mix) shield gas; and there is still a significant erosion rate on the tungsten electrode. The Aluminium parent material liquifies, and were it not for the inert gas shield would rapidly oxidise and/or ignite.   

       We predict that the service life of your propulsion system, will be brief, but highly exothermic (and impressive).   

       [+] for inappropriate thermal reactions of a metal in an oxidising gas stream.
8th of 7, Jul 25 2009
  

       [8th]'s "Exothermic Airlines", where "Safety isn't an issue - it's forbidden"
lurch, Jul 25 2009
  

       What happened to Ppenny?
blissmiss, Jul 25 2009
  

       she's in principle van de graaf's office.
Gamma48, Jul 25 2009
  

       hey at least this engine would be fun to play with. perhaps one can use it for rockets (instead of carrying fuel on board for the initial lift off - just blast it with some high voltage). weapons also come to mind.
codrakon, Jul 26 2009
  

       The arguments against correct punctuation are suggestive of an attempt at trolling. Do you want your idea for a new type of engine discussed, or your "reasons" behind the poor grammar [codrakon]? If you keep this up, eventually that which you post will simply be ignored, or boned without comment. Do you want that?   

       If you want to front an idea for "no capital letters at the start of any sentence", you may want to consider posting that up as a totally separate notion.
xenzag, Jul 26 2009
  

       Point taken. Will copy and paste my stuff into Word before I do it again. Actually my typing is very poor and I am too lazy to hit the shift key.
codrakon, Jul 26 2009
  

       A better ramjet power source would be the electrical charges in halfbakers' overactive brains.   

       //what do you think?//
I think my rage toward my cubicle-bound engineering job is currently 0.8 Achilleses.
sninctown, Jul 26 2009
  
      
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