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Use An Upside-Down T In Place of I

Typography can finally move on
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For a very long time now we have had our present set of glyphs in typography. The trouble is, we are evidently and obviously not happy with the upper-case letter I. Any new set of fontage or typographicology seems to have, among other nice features, an overriding tendency to, for example, fit slab serifs onto the top and bottom ends of the letter I — even when the rest of the face is not a serif face!

Clearly, nobody likes to have to deal with a thin single bar that is a sans upper case I. Obviously, we think it trendy, of the future, and fashionable to have those enormous ears and feet on the I.

My proposal is to stop dicking around with this attempt at making the letter I into something it clearly isn’t, like a halibut or goat in the middle of a series of ordinary letter forms, but rather, take a look at an existing letter and repurpose it. I propose that we, instead of the upper case letter I, use an exact copy of the upper case letter T, but upside down. This is less ugly, not an obvious attempt at stapling massive winged slab serifs all over a little pole, and actually achieves what seems to be wanted — ie, the avoidance of an unusually thin letterform, and if anything, trending toward a monospace without being exactly a monospace or anything like that.

I’ve put up a simple example of an alphabet in ordinary helv, so that it can be visualised, providing you access my web site during its opening hours.

Ian Tindale, Sep 25 2010

Like this. http://tindale.dyn.nu/ibd/tfori.svg
[Ian Tindale, Sep 25 2010]

Dotted and Dotless I http://en.wikipedia...otted_and_dotless_I
[Spacecoyote, Sep 27 2010]


       So, basically, still give it sticky out bits, but bigger and only on the bottom? At least it distinguishes it from "1" and "l". How about eliminating the "0"/"O" problem by representing "O" as an upside-down letter-8?
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 25 2010

       Well, that’s an entirely separate problem.
Ian Tindale, Sep 25 2010

       Yes, but so is poverty. So, you're saying we should not strive to eliminate poverty?! Enough is enough! What kind of man are you???lll
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 26 2010

       [Max] - he's the kind of guy who gets paid big bucks by Texas Instruments for making their logo symmetrical.
lurch, Sep 26 2010

       God's teeth, man, how are we supposed to cross our Ts and dot our Is or whatever we're meant to do if you start dicking about with which is which?
infidel, Sep 26 2010

       Sorry, too late. [-] Better to always use capital 'I' with serifs to avoid confusion, except that 90 degree rotation still yields 'H'.   

       I'm not willing to download something to view your site; how about something public?
csea, Sep 26 2010

       Where does this leave the lower case i in relation to the lower case j for instance?
infidel, Sep 26 2010

       This is a good idea .. I didn't get it until I looked at the picture. That "I" would have been an eye sore. Upside down it fits in just right. [+]. I'll try using when I have a chance, it's kind of catchy.
[csea] you don't have to download anything ... it's a svg file, just use a web browser that isn't obsolete.
ixnaum, Sep 26 2010

       Right angle symbol, no?   

       It happens because people anomalously use a capital letter i for the nominative singular first personal pronoun, so they inordinately adorn it. Were this to be abandoned, it would solve the problem.   

       Come to think of it, capital letters could probably be abandoned completely without it making much difference.
nineteenthly, Sep 26 2010

po, Sep 26 2010

       One of the "main" problems with the upside down T may only become apparent when it's in full use, and that's the one to do with letter spacing and visual appearance. You see a little of that in the alphabet on Ian's site with the upsidedown T looking very uncomfortable beside the J.
xenzag, Sep 26 2010

       Come to think of it, i like the Arabic script's use of different forms of letter depending on their position in the word or outside it.
nineteenthly, Sep 26 2010

       Note that I don’t particularly agree with this strategy, but I prefer it to the alternative of inventing a stupid four-legged animal lizard- shaped form sitting where an ordinary I would be. Many new fonts and typefaces are arriving where the I has been modified with the addition of slab serifs, which makes it stick out rudely among the remainder of the sans serif letterforms that surround it. If you’re going to do that anyway, I think this is the way to do it. Otherwise, don’t do it at all (the preferable option).
Ian Tindale, Sep 26 2010

       Why not just weed out that vowel altogether? Text that lacks that one erect vowel proves very easy to create, and can be read as much as normal text can.   

       Dispensing with only the capital version of the letter is, of course, entirely trivial, if one uses a little effort, as one does.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 26 2010

       Well, you could just exercise less effort and never bother to reach over to the shift key when confronted with a personal pronoun.
nineteenthly, Sep 26 2010

       I’ll have to try that. Damn! If only I could refer to… damn again! It’s got to be possible. Damn! Maybe if myself were not English, but something completely different, like a cockney Eskimo. Yeh, see, we’re cockney eskimos, Innuit! Damn and blast!
Ian Tindale, Sep 26 2010

       The Romans had no "J" in their alphabet, they used "I" and the interpretation was context sensetive.   

       Why not just swap J for I and abolish I ?
8th of 7, Sep 26 2010

       You must be iokjng.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 26 2010

       The Italians get by with just 21 letters in their alphabet A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, Z   

       No J, K, W, X or Y.   

       Then again, their ability to organise anything more complex than a complete shambles is legendary. Maybe they're not such a good example.
infidel, Sep 26 2010

       //The Italians get by with just 21 letters...//   

       And, 'I' is one of them...   

       Whilst we are at it, could we abolish the goddamned 'W', too? World Wide Web: 3 syllables. Doubleyou, doubleyou, doubleyou: 9 syllables.   

       It takes 3 times as many syllables to pronounce the abbreviation as the actual phrase.   

       Could we at least call it just 'dub'?
Boomershine, Sep 27 2010

       Wouldn't this mess up the whole; being able to tell what is written by only seeing the top half of a script, thing?   

       [21]//If you underline any text with this character in it, you void it out and it becomes the same problem it was before.//   

       No worse than the capital 'L' or 'E'...?
Boomershine, Sep 27 2010

       //Could we at least call it just 'dub'?//   

       Sorry, I see that this idea was baked here 10 years ago. [Newbie.]
Boomershine, Sep 27 2010

       In the Turkish alphabet, there is a dotted capital i.   

Spacecoyote, Sep 27 2010

       Ain't nobody's business but the Turks.
infidel, Sep 27 2010

       Turkish uses the alphabet in a strange way, for instance "c" stands for our "j" sound and there's a g with a breve above it which represents the sound between the vowels around it. I find its surfeit of i's disturbing.
nineteenthly, Sep 27 2010

       What about making the lower-case i bigger?   

       You could keep the dot, which works quite nicely - and if that's no good, you could expand it out into a circle.
zen_tom, Sep 27 2010

       [21]//But it isn't any better, is it, Boomer?//   

       No, it isn't. Good point, thank you. A good idea should make things better.   

       Still, does anyone have trouble separating an underline from the bottom horizontal segments of E or L or Z? I don't think so.   

       So, if this idea has other good applications while not making anything else worse, I'd bun it.
Boomershine, Sep 27 2010

       //If you underline any text with this character in it, you void it out and it becomes the same problem it was before// Good point ... taking back my bun
ixnaum, Sep 27 2010

       [ixnaum]//Good point ... taking back my bun//   

       Then I'm giving him mine because I don't think you read the annos following [21]'s.   

Boomershine, Sep 27 2010

       Remember, there is no "I" in "Halfbakery".
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 27 2010

       There’s no F in point.
Ian Tindale, Sep 28 2010

       //Like this//   

       Looks like an old-fashioned typesetter's mistake.
ldischler, Sep 28 2010

       <Henry Jones Snr.> ... but in latin, Jehovah is spelt with an 'I'... </Henry Jones Snr.>
Jinbish, Sep 28 2010

       I like this idea. It adds some stability to the otherwise precariously balanced capital I.   

       How about some kind of support bracing for F, P, T, V and Y ?   

Twizz, Sep 28 2010

       //There’s no F in point.//   

       There's no F in God and no F in justice, either.
infidel, Sep 28 2010

       And there are no dons in MacDonalds.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 30 2010


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