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Waist Chain With Consent Lock

Symbolic jewelry to make an anti rape statement and possibly prevent some attacks.
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This isn't a fun idea, but an attempt to help deal with a very horrible problem. Bear with me.

I just watched a documentary on rape on college campuses. It's an epidemic and many of these victims are treated horribly from a system that stands to lose money if they properly prosecute the rapists. They highlighted a case where a now very rich and successful NFL quarterback raped a girl while in college and got away with it by saying it was consensual. The "She wanted it." plea is very common in these cases. The rapists often say they mistook the woman's passivity or drunkenness for consent.

My proposal is to have a device that allows a woman to clarify if she wants to have consensual relations or not. It's a variation on a common piece of body jewelry called a waist chain or belly chain. The difference is it's got a combination lock on it.

The idea is this would be symbolic. She unlocks and removes it if she wants to have sex with somebody. If she doesn't go through the trouble of un-locking the lock, which would be, by design, hard to do if you're drunk, she is not consenting to sex. These would afford at least an additional level of communication to the woman. And men would be made aware that if a woman doesn't willfully of her own free will remove this chain, they may be charged with rape. Its removal or being left in place would be at least one factor admissible in court.

From the guy's perspective he would have to make absolutely sure she took it off on her own, even turning down the encounter should she forget or be too drunk to unlock it etc. Men need to be educated that no means no of course, but having a clear indicator like this couldn't hurt. And a chain left in place means no by default. She doesn't have to say a thing.

It's not going to stop a rapist intent on raping his victim but that's not what its job would be. Even wearing it as a symbol might have some effect. Like telling guys "This is my body, my symbolic lock, if I don't open it keep your hands off of me." It could be worn as an announcement that "I'm here to have fun, not get molested." A symbol that she's not at present interested in having sex unless as otherwise indicated. Flirting, having fun, whatever, nothing in consensual in HER eyes unless and until SHE removes this symbol.

And on the flip side, it might become a romantic thing, the act of her taking it off could be very sexy. It could actually end up being very sex positive being empowering to the woman while at the same time clarifying that she's currently in a default "No means no" state until she makes it very clear otherwise. Of course nothing's perfect. For instance a woman has the right to change her mind at any time, even if she's taken the chain off. And it's no substitute for guys being respectful gentlemen and women being careful but even if this could prevent some rapes it seems like it might be worth it.

Perhaps a slogan to go with it. "Respect the chain!"

doctorremulac3, Jul 02 2016

The Hunting Ground http://www.dailymai...Hunting-Ground.html
Not a fun watch, but if you've got daughters kind of a must see. [doctorremulac3, Jul 03 2016]

What I had in mind Anti-Invasive_20Underwear
As mentioned in an annotation. [Vernon, Jul 03 2016]

Criminal Victimizations 2013 http://www.bjs.gov/...nt/pub/pdf/cv13.pdf
[LimpNotes, Jul 03 2016]

Rape and Sexual Assault Victimization Among College-Age Females, 1995–2013 http://www.bjs.gov/...pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf
[LimpNotes, Jul 03 2016]

Testosterone https://en.wikipedi...g/wiki/Testosterone
Such a simple molecule ... [8th of 7, Jul 03 2016]

Alcohol and sex https://en.wikipedi...iki/Alcohol_and_sex
Alcohol decreases testosterone and libido in males, increases testosterone and libido in females. [LimpNotes, Jul 04 2016]

Tea and Consent https://www.youtube...watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ
"If you’re still struggling with consent just imagine instead of initiating sex you’re making them a cup of tea." [tatterdemalion, Jul 04 2016]

Police report for the Jameis Winston case. http://www.talgov.c...s/tpd-documents.pdf
[LimpNotes, Jul 05 2016]

Debunking campus rape http://www.usnews.c...-about-rape-culture
I could literally post a hundred pages like this with comprehensive supporting documentation but there are none so blind... [Voice, Jul 09 2016]

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       Why only symbolic? Think "chastity belt", only not really such if the woman controls the lock. Perhaps I'll post a separate Idea with possible details about that....
Vernon, Jul 02 2016
  

       I'd thought about that, then put myself in the woman's place. I know I wouldn't wear one if I was a woman.   

       By the way, the documentary is called "The Hunting Ground". See link. Sorry to be a downer but this is pretty horrific stuff that really needs to be addressed. (see link)
doctorremulac3, Jul 03 2016
  

       This idea does not seem to address the problem that such incidents, by their very nature, occur in the absence of impartial witnesses.
8th of 7, Jul 03 2016
  

       The chain could be attached to a small yappy bitey dog.
FlyingToaster, Jul 03 2016
  

       The idea puts responsibility for not being sexually assaulted on the woman.
calum, Jul 03 2016
  

       Curious: Whose responsibility is it?
LimpNotes, Jul 03 2016
  

       //The idea puts responsibility for not being sexually assaulted on the woman.//   

       Ugh. Sigh.   

       You know, I was expecting to get a comment or two like this. "But what if the guy has a gun? Or even a bazooka?"   

       This is a clear sign that the woman wishes to be in control of whether or not she has sex, this may be enough to deter some of these guys.
doctorremulac3, Jul 03 2016
  

       I haven't watched the film. But I did read the wiki and the film appears to be under a lot of criticism for inaccuracies. Elsewhere I've read that the directors were caught editing Wikis to support the film's narrative.

And coincidentally, I had just recently downloaded and was reviewing a .pdf entitled Criminal Victimization 2013 <link>, which places the total number of rapes/sexual assaults at just 0.1% of the population. Another document <link>, places college rapes at around 0.6%. Higher than the general public numbers but hardly epidemic. Thoughts?
LimpNotes, Jul 03 2016
  

       I'll check it out. Maybe it's sensationalism maybe it's not. The case they showed was pretty obviously factual though.   

       Let me get back to you after a little research.
doctorremulac3, Jul 03 2016
  

       // Whose responsibility is it? //   

       A dangerous blend of ethanol and testosterone <link> is the most likely culprit.
8th of 7, Jul 03 2016
  

       //ethanol and testosterone//

That doesn't cut it. Plenty of drunk men do not rape. And if you've ever been accosted by a drunk woman who is horny and just can't seem to take no for an answer, you'd understand that it's not specific to males. I'd lean more toward alcohol as a cause, but even then, plenty of drunk people do not rape. And plenty of sober people do. For me, and forgive me if this rubs some of you the wrong way, there is also a distinct difference between predatory rape of the sober individual, and the careless fornications of stupid drunks. Admittedly there is some dissonance. I'm eager to hear the arguments.
LimpNotes, Jul 03 2016
  

       // there is also a distinct difference between predatory rape of the sober individual, and the careless fornications of stupid drunks. //   

       Ethanol causes elevated testosterone levels in human females. This is a proven medical fact. Hence // drunk woman who is horny //.   

       It's a highly emotive subject which makes it difficult to tease apart the complex mesh of social and biological factors. Good luck.
8th of 7, Jul 03 2016
  

       //For me, and forgive me if this rubs some of you the wrong way, there is also a distinct difference between predatory rape of the sober individual, and the careless fornications of stupid drunks//   

       This is a touchy subject that I think warrants discussion so I for one won't start pointing fingers at people for honestly speculating about the problem. Yes, there are cases where alcohol causes men AND women to have sex when they wouldn't otherwise and where men might take a woman's passivity as acceptance. Some kind of hard to misread sign might be helpful.
doctorremulac3, Jul 03 2016
  

       You're half right [8th]. Alcohol increases testosterone production and libido in females but lowers both in males. <link>
LimpNotes, Jul 04 2016
  

       OK, I'll phrase my evidently dispiriting comment more succinctly: this idea is moronic.
calum, Jul 04 2016
  

       Calum, I'm guessing you haven't had much experience with man/woman relationships so you're probably not one to comment on this.   

       This is why people don't discuss issues that effect our society. It just takes one turd to act like they've got all the answers and is mortally offended by anybody that might disagree. They can't make a point that resonates by being logical and calm so they just throw out an insult and run away. The bottom line is everybody just stops talking.   

       I don't have all the answers which is why I engage in free discussion with other people who might have some insight from a different perspective that I might learn from. Chest thumping know it alls who are connoisseurs of political correctness finding something offensive behind every concept just stifle the free exchange of ideas.   

       So calum, I've proposed something that might help with the problem with women getting raped. Besides throwing insults at somebody who might try to address the problem, what's your idea genius?
doctorremulac3, Jul 04 2016
  

       That's what I thought.
doctorremulac3, Jul 04 2016
  

       I'm with Calum on this one, if the problem of bullying was simplified by splitting the population into two groups, bullies and victims, and the victims compelled to wear "I am a victim, please do not bully" badges on their heads, I think a number of analogous problems would arise in-step with the problems that arise from this idea.   

       Say the idea becomes a success, and a bully picks a fight with someone who's not wearing the badge, does that make it ok? No, but if not, then what's the point of the badge? If a bully picks a fight with someone wearing the badge, will the bully be punished doubly hard afterwards? Which is worse, the bullying, or the bullying of someone wearing a badge? Aren't we missing something by even making that distinction? Is someone who's prepared to bully someone else actually going to pay attention to whether or not they wear a badge?   

       So while understanding clear markers and signals is important to people who seem to get confused by what is a fairly straightforward set of social mores. Is it really helpful to couch the problem in terms of a new signalling method (which itself will introduce more uncertainty since there are plenty of existing signalling methods) or is it better to discuss the problem in stark, simple terms without all the complicated stuff that (apparently) continues to confound, bamboozle and elude the perpetrators of this kind of thing?   

       For me, the answer is obvious - don't rape people.   

       Whether they're wearing a badge, or a special hat, or have had 1 pint, 2 pints or 11 pints. Just don't rape them. Don't rape them behind a bin, or in a bed, or in a bush. Just don't rape them. Even if they're not wearing a t-shirt that states, "Please don't rape me", still don't rape them then. Or if they're wearing a long dress, or a miniskirt, or a pair of dungarees, still don't rape them. It's really not that difficult, just don't rape people. Don't rape people. Don't rape people. Don't rape people.
zen_tom, Jul 04 2016
  

       Zen, thank you for disagreeing without being a jerk. I respect your perspective.   

       I will respectfully counter that "Just don't rape people" isn't much of a new solution.   

       How about a chain that says "Try to rape me I'll cut your fucking balls off."?
doctorremulac3, Jul 04 2016
  

       //I will respectfully counter that "Just don't rape people" isn't much of a new solution.//   

       It's not a solution, but it is based (I hope) on a clearer definition of the problem. Which is "People rape other people." The solution is "Stop it".   

       I think what the problem isn't is "If only there were some clear, unambiguous signal that people could use to communicate that they don't wish to have sex."   

       //This is a clear sign that the woman wishes to be in control of whether or not she has sex//   

       Is a solution to this second problem. But I don't think signalling is necessarily the problem. Another aspect of the problem is the tacit suggestion that a person *might not* want to be in control of whether or not they have sex, and that a "clear sign" may be required, as a default, to indicate otherwise.   

       This isn't Microsoft Windows assuming you want to upgrade to Windows 10. But the underlying assumption isn't much different.   

       No, Microsoft. I do not wish to upgrade to Windows 10. Why are you bugging me to upgrade to Windows 10 all the time? I have no interest in Windows 10. I might have to occasionally use Windows 7, but that doesn't mean I have any interest whatsoever in upgrading to Windows 10. I do not need to wear a hat, or a badge, or to repeatedly remind you that I don't want to upgrade to Windows 10. And failure to maintain my non-Windows 10 signalling is not an invitation for you to upgrade my computer to Windows 10. It's just that I don't want to upgrade to Windows 10 right now. Please respect that and let me live a life that does not require me to continuously signal my intention not to upgrade to Windows 10. It should be your default understanding that no, I don't want to upgrade to Windows 10. If, at some later date, I do want to upgrade to Windows 10, I will tell you - clearly, and unambiguously - but until then, please, dear sweet Jesus, please do not assume I want to upgrade to Windows 10. Because I don't.
zen_tom, Jul 04 2016
  

       //How about a chain that says "Try to rape me I'll cut your fucking balls off."?//   

       How about men have to wear cufflinks that clearly state "I do not wish to have my balls ripped off?", just in case anyone assumes that without such clear signalling, it's ok for them to rip our balls off?   

       It might just work, but I'm not sure I'm ready to take that step into the unknown.
zen_tom, Jul 04 2016
  

       LOL, didn't see the windows upgrade analogy coming. But I do think that the Windows 10's upgrade slogan should be "Now even suckier!"   

       I got the idea seeing that they've adopted a mattress as the symbol for the anti rape movement which I thought was kind of pointless. The idea is to carry these around campus to protests to make some ironic statement about women just being sex objects. I thought that was sort of silly so wondered is there were some kind of a symbol that was A: easier to carry and B: able to actually be of some use in some situations.   

       //How about men have to wear cufflinks that clearly state "I do not wish to have my balls ripped off?"//   

       Put me down for a pair.   

       LOL, I assume you meant to put the ? after the quotation. As written it's quite surrealistic. I actually prefer it. I think a pair of these, exactly as written "I do not wish to have my balls ripped off?" would be an amazing conversation starter, and ironically a great way to meet women.   

       Ok, probably not appropriate to be having fun talking about such a serious topic. Sorry. I'll grim up.
doctorremulac3, Jul 04 2016
  

       Offensive and stupid idea.   

       // a clear sign that the woman wishes to be in control of whether or not she has sex   

       Because this is somehow in doubt otherwise?   

       Unfortunate that whatever you watched didn't tip you off to the nature of the problem, so watch the tea video and it will tell you.
tatterdemalion, Jul 04 2016
  

       //Offensive and stupid idea.//   

       //"If you’re still struggling with consent just imagine instead of initiating sex you’re making them a cup of tea."//   

       It's been my experience that the most pompous and nasty lecturing about sex comes from the people who don't actually do it.
doctorremulac3, Jul 04 2016
  

       That tea video is ridiculous, a massive oversimplification of a complex and nuanced issue. “I want to sex you” “Oh yes you may sex me” is exactly not how 95+% of casual sexual encounters go, nor how either party involved wants them to. Neither party wants to be that obvious about it – which leaves the central issue being discussed here as consent signalling (and, increasingly, verifiable recording of consent). Which [doc]’s idea is trying to address, although perhaps more facetiously than pragmatically.   

       Look, there’s generally several broad types of non- consensual sex which are really quite fundamentally different. They’re all unambiguously bad, but oversimplifying terms can make debate difficult. It’s simply not true to say that the motivation, state of mind, decision process and moral culpability is identical, between say on one hand, a violent sexual predator who attacks someone in a park, as compared to say, a drunk uni student, who has sex with another drunk uni student, when often neither of them is really fully cognisant, or aware of whether the other is consenting. These are different things. That is not to say that the latter is okay. But treating it identically to the former, is never going to result in any progress.   

       The complexity with the nonviolent sexual assault lies in consent signalling. And by that I don’t mean just someone saying “yes” – I also mean perhaps someone asking for a “yes”. Whether both parties are remotely interested in talking about consent at the time of the sexual encounter, or perhaps are making assumptions, and the much more complex issue of withdrawl of consent (and how that is signalled), or even more complex again, reduced capacity to give consent - for either party. And finally, the rare, but existent, issue of retroactive withdrawal of consent.   

       I honestly think the whole issue is a moral quagmire. People don’t seem able to discuss it without name calling and ultimatums, as can be seen above, even in this, generally amicable forum. As with a lot of things – if the answer seems obvious to you, simple, and universally applicable – that should be the strongest signal for you to have another think – because issues like this do not have simple answers – and never answers that everyone agrees to that are fair to all parties.
Custardguts, Jul 04 2016
  

       //because issues like this do not have simple answers - and never answers that everyone agrees to that are fair to all parties.//   

       You are absolutely right. I was almost dreading reading another post till I read yours and realized "Wow, this person is actually using logic and reason rather than drama, anger and simplistic platitudes."   

       Love interesting insights from intelligent people. I also appreciate open, civilized dialog on potentially incendiary topics that allow us to explore possible solutions. Whether we get it right or wrong, what's the harm in looking into it?   

       Thanks Cust.
doctorremulac3, Jul 04 2016
  

       This problem fundamentally misunderstands consent, which is by definition not singular or contractual. You do not give your consent as a singular gesture, saying yes once, unlocking your chastity chain, instead consent is a sustained effort on both parties to only do things that the other party is clearly a willing participant in. In this way consent isn't given on any single occasion but exists as a understanding between two people that is maintained and informed throughout an encounter. As such a chastity belt is meaningless because it would mean no more than removing any other article of clothing, an entirely retractable gesture.
WcW, Jul 05 2016
  

       Everything you're saying is true but I'm not seeing how having this symbolic chastity belt as you call it, does anything but send a signal that the woman is aware of her rights to fully control a sexual encounter.   

       But as you say, people having sex is a continuum of non-verbal communication, that by the way, nobody misunderstands. A very clear "No" could be simple as a woman not kissing you back. But I get what you're saying.   

       I watched a bit of the absolutely ridiculous video. What the heck is this clueless piece of junk? A video for how to have sex for people that are functionally retarded? Be sure to watch the whole series including "How to walk", "How to breathe", and the advanced series "How to go to the bathroom."   

       The time in the process this "chastity chain", would figure into the communication would be at the very first meeting. It would be a visual communication that the woman feels very in control of her consent. It would be saying "I want respect and the right to say no. I think this might discourage those that might push past boundaries to get more than the woman is willing to offer.   

       Again, this idea was inspired by seeing the symbol currently being used to bring awareness to women's rights to control when they have sex, a mattress being carried or sometimes having slogans written on it. I thought this one was better and may actually have a bit of actual utility.   

       There could be messages associated with this as well. "A woman wearing this WILL, not might, WILL call the police and fully prosecute you for rape if you push her in any way past where she is willing to go sexually."   

       Kind of a "Fuck you!" to potential rapists. What's wrong with that?
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       Women should not have to wear chains in order to have their private space respected. It's actually a nasty notion and I'm quite surprised that it has not been more vigorously challenged here.
xenzag, Jul 05 2016
  

       No surprise that you're shocked and offended. It's kind of what you do.   

       My guess is you're really shocked and offended by people talking about sex, a subject that makes you uncomfortable.   

       Like I said, it's been my experience that the most pompous and nasty lecturing about sex comes from the people who don't actually do it.
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       Maybe you think other people should have to wear symbols to deter attacks and unwarranted attention? No women should have to wear anything. Why should any human being have to wear a symbol to deter someone from attacking them? It's like something that the NRA or Trump would advocate.
xenzag, Jul 05 2016
  

       Easier to obsess about Donald Trump than to put in the work necessary to form relationships that might lead to intimacy. Your whole life revolves around hatred of one man, a politician running for office in a foreign country. I believe this is because you're frustrated with the lack of closeness to another human being in your personal life. Or do you have sex every day the same way you travel to the United States on a regular basis?   

       Maybe if you were to talk about something other than Donald Trump once in a while you might meet somebody nice. He's in your every thought. This is about rape on college campuses and you bring up Donald Trump.   

       Might be time to get some help.
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       Show me where I expressed these terms: "shocked and offended"? I said I was surprised that the idea had not been more vigorously challenged here. The halfbakery is for the most part quite respectful of women, but this is not respectful. The idea that any women needs to wear a symbol in order to deter a potential rape is a nasty notion, and the thin edge of a dangerously right wing type of thinking. You should also desist from attacking me and concentrate on defending your idea. Personal attacks on me will get you nowhere. The halfbakery is about ideas and not about attacking those who post them or respond to them.
xenzag, Jul 05 2016
  

       Sounds like I hit the nail on the head.
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       Idea [marked-for-deletion] advocacy. Also sexist and fascist in nature.
xenzag, Jul 05 2016
  

       //advocacy//   

       Advocating that women not be raped?   

       //fascist in nature//   

       You mean like wanting to silence those who may disagree with you?
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       My advice to you: When you're in a hole, it's best to stop digging.
xenzag, Jul 05 2016
  

       I see this as a couple different issues.

First, there is the issue of rape in the sober sense. Obviously wrong and bad.

Then there is the issue of drunk irresponsibility. Obviously some rapes do happen in this arena. But even the NFL case mentioned in the idea makes me wonder about that. This case was never prosecuted and one of the reasons is that the "victim" didn't have a clear memory of events because she was so drunk. And, apparently someone (a witness) burst into the room while the supposed rape was occurring and the "victim" yelled at the intruder to get out. That makes me suspect that she was willing, even if it was influenced by alcohol. Certainly the witness could be lying, sure. But that is why it wasn't prosecuted. It was basically a case of he said, she said... with a witness. Some would say that she regretted it when she sobered up, and some would say that she wasn't in a position to make a responsible decision about consent. I guess I can see both sides of that.

But truthfully it all sounds like the whole enabling facet you find in other drinking behaviors. I honestly think it sounds like we are saying that when a woman is too drunk, they are no longer responsible for their decisions and actions, and its everyone else's responsibility to take up the burden of babysitting them. I don't agree with that.

And this whole "educate men about not raping" program is completely sexist. It's like saying most crime is committed by Blacks, so we need to educate Blacks about not committing crime. A tiny percentage in either group is inclined to offend.
LimpNotes, Jul 05 2016
  

       While you make some very valid points, I believe you misunderstood her recalling of the situation for the camera.   

       //rape was occurring and the "victim" yelled at the intruder to get out.//   

       I obviously wasn't there but in the documentary she says the rapist yelled at the guy to get out, not her. She further goes on to say the guy who walked in the room said "Hey, what are you doing, she's telling you to stop."
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       // Women should not have to wear chains in order to have their private space respected. It's actually a nasty notion and I'm quite surprised that it has not been more vigorously challenged here.   

       One reason I have elected not to respond further is because of childish outbursts of sexual ad hominem the author devolves into when challenged.
tatterdemalion, Jul 05 2016
  

       Your "mature" post was:   

       //Offensive and stupid idea.//   

       I have never insulted anybody who didn't insult me first.   

       But thank you for going away though.
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       New suggested title: "Waste Chain With Cocksuck Links"
xenzag, Jul 05 2016
  

       How clever.   

       Well, with that, I think we can put this idea to bed. Score: 2/2. Better luck next time.   

       (And note to self: no more posts about sex.)
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       //... I believe you misunderstood her recalling of the situation for the camera. // //I obviously wasn't there but in the documentary she says the rapist yelled at the guy to get out, not her.....//

I still haven't watched it. I am referring to the Affidavits of Ronald Darby and Christopher Casher. Pages 25 and 26. <link>
LimpNotes, Jul 05 2016
  

       Oh, well, contradictory stories then.   

       I believe she won a lawsuit against him and the school though.   

       Despite all the hatred this attempt to help keep girls from getting raped has fomented, I wish something could be done beyond what's being done now. I don't think the current symbol for the movement, a mattress being carried around, is a good one.   

       Although to look on the bright side, there were several dozen annotations on this post and not a single mention of Hitler and only 1 mentioning of Trump.   

       I think maybe we're moving in the right direction.
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       She did not win the suit against the school, it was settled out of court for $950,000. According to the school, this was done in order to avoid millions of dollars in legal fees. The suit against Winston is scheduled for May 2017. Winston has counter-sued her for defamation.

Progress is good. And, I rather enjoy the vacuous comments some people leave. I mean these people obviously have an opinion, but when called upon to form these opinions into a rational sequence of words that may be reviewed and considered by others, all that escapes is "you're a poopy-face." That amuses me.
LimpNotes, Jul 05 2016
  

       Well, I've learned from this that some people get very touchy about subjects concerning sexual politics so this is my last sex related post. Then again some people get touchy about just about anything.   

       Thanks for posting that police report. I just read the transcripts and, Wow, 180 degree opposite from the story she told. If she's lying she's a very evil person. If the two witnesses are lying, same thing.   

       Yea, they basically said she pretty much raped HIM. Forced her way into the cab with him, followed him to his room, initiated the encounter even kicking the goofy room mates out of the room when they walked in.   

       Pretty sad, very very evil person or people at work here and we have no idea who's who. Or at least I have no idea.   

       I hate that this gal became the cover girl for this movement. Even if she's an innocent victim, there are plenty of cases where there is no controversy. Having this case at the forefront casts a shadow on all the young women who ARE victimized.   

       Ok, I'm sick of this. Depressing. Dr3 out.
doctorremulac3, Jul 05 2016
  

       //Neither party wants to be that obvious about it//   

       Even when people are drunk they use euphemisms.   

       There could be a subculture who wear chain locks for the benefit of others. A suitable couple could exchange pound tokens and bond for the night or wake up drunk in a parking lot chained to a line of supermarket trolleys.
bigsleep, Jul 06 2016
  

       //I just watched a documentary on rape on college campuses. It's an epidemic//   

       Stop right there. no one supports rape, but campus rapes are uncommon and becoming less so. You should look at unbiased statistics, not studies done by idiots and politically motivated liars which group together any sex involving alcohol (or even any sex where someone wasn't repeatedly verbally assenting!) into rape and any unwanted touching into sexual battery.
Voice, Jul 08 2016
  

       Sorry, don't care any more.   

       But I'm glad you're not troubled by women getting raped. It's also comforting to know that all those women were lying.   

       By the way, did you actually watch the documentary?   

       Never mind. Don't care.
doctorremulac3, Jul 08 2016
  

       // I'm glad you're not troubled by women getting raped.//   

       See, I knew you were going to say that. Your type always falls back to obvious non sequiturs and ad hom's. I felt like an idiot typing "no one supports rape", since it's so bleeding obvious. But I knew your next step would be to accuse me of secretly wanting rape to happen, so I tried to head that off. Sadly your lack of reading comprehension rivals your other cognitive inadequacies. But we're getting into territory the halfbakery wasn't made for so I'll stop posting here.
Voice, Jul 09 2016
  

       //I felt like an idiot//   

       Well, there may be a reason for that.
doctorremulac3, Jul 09 2016
  

       I'm inclined to support the girl who's walking around with a mattress; not so much the one where the guy broke up with the gf after (unannounced breakup) sex, and she cried "rape". Also, not so much anybody who uses the phrase "rape culture" like it's a given.   

       One of the problems seems to be that they call uni security guards - that are in charge of parking and guiding drunk children to their dorms - "campus police".   

       [+] not the greatest idea, and I got sidetracked thinking it was a chastity belt, but it's something.
FlyingToaster, Jul 09 2016
  

       Thanks FT.   

       I think there are evil men taking advantage of drunk women and evil women getting drunk, having sex and then deciding to renew their honor by lying about the encounter.   

       I appreciate people talking about possible solutions though. Dialog about controversial subjects is a good thing. There's no harm in speculating or even being wrong. We can disagree without being unkind.
doctorremulac3, Jul 09 2016
  

       Sighs.... the dumbing down of the halfbakery continues.....
xenzag, Jul 09 2016
  

       //We can disagree without being unkind.//   

       Correction: Intelligent people can disagree without being unkind.
doctorremulac3, Jul 09 2016
  

       //wake up drunk in a parking lot chained to a line of supermarket trolleys.// The voice of experience ?   

       [xenzag] Then feel free to sow some pearls of wisdom, oh enlightened one.
FlyingToaster, Jul 09 2016
  

       Here's some wisdom: if you bash this dot . with a hammer, you can make it grow a spider's web.
xenzag, Jul 09 2016
  

       How is that wisdom and not simply cause and effect ?
FlyingToaster, Jul 10 2016
  

       You will be wiser after the event.
xenzag, Jul 10 2016
  

       What does it mean to take off your consent belt off? Anything? Everything from there on out no matter what? Maybe it's like marriage, where after that moment your male partner can rape you at will.
WcW, Jul 10 2016
  

       Well, I assume you're being facetious with that last sentence, as you know consent is always mandatory, at least in the civilized world, even if the parties are married.   

       But I think what you're getting at is, as much as the chain in place might be an additional signal to "Go no further" the removal of the chain might make it hard to stop or say sex was non consensual should the woman change her mind. Pretty much the same as stripping naked. But there should be no controversy in anybody's mind about when it becomes rape. It's when, at any time, the woman wants to stop and the man continues against her will. And yes, it can even be after consensual intercourse has started, and it might not be because she's a crazy person. What if she begins to feel pain? Did she lose the right to have somebody stop inflicting physical pain on her? But anyway, if that was your point I get it.   

       That being said I would suggest the woman leave it on unless and until she's ready to go all the way. Same as taking her clothes off and giving other signals beyond that. But those of us who've never played World Of Warcraft know that sex is a ongoing series of continual physical communications, if it's any good that is, and "STOP" is always on the table throughout.   

       How about a kind of fun message along with the lock like "In your dreams pal!"? A little sassy and not as mean is "Touch Me And I'll Cut Your Balls Off!" I don't think there's anything wrong with a little message that the gal's not a pushover. Yes? No?   

       Ahhdhunno.
doctorremulac3, Jul 10 2016
  

       OK, I guess it's my turn to volunteer to be misunderstood and verbally abused…   

       ---   

       // if the problem of bullying was simplified by splitting the population into two groups, bullies and victims, and the victims compelled to wear "I am a victim, please do not bully" badges on their heads // - [zen tom]   

       // Women should not have to wear chains in order to have their private space respected. It's actually a nasty notion and I'm quite surprised that it has not been more vigorously challenged here. // - [xenzag]   

       // Maybe you think other people should have to wear symbols to deter attacks and unwarranted attention? No women should have to wear anything. // - [xenzag]   

       So. I agree that women should not have to wear chains.   

       I do not think anyone here thinks women should have to wear chains.   

       From the beginning of the idea, the chains were never, as far as I can tell, proposed to be in any way mandatory. It is entirely optional for a woman to wear one.   

       Indeed—and especially because the chain could be inconvenient for some activities like sports, and most women probably just wouldn't want to wear it all the time—I think it is very important to make this clear, not just to everyone here, but to society at large if this is implemented: WEARING A CHAIN IS OPTIONAL, so not wearing a chain does not mean 'fair game'.   

       Therefore, all arguments based on the chain somehow being mandatory are strawman arguments and are hereby declared invalid unless subsequently reworked to be based only on true premises, or unless my interpretation of the original idea as being an optional (not mandatory) chain is found factually incorrect.   

       ---   

       // My advice to you: When you're in a hole, it's best to stop digging. // - [xenzag]   

       Ironic.   

       ---   

       Also, because men can also be raped, it would presumably be acceptable (AND OPTIONAL!) for a man to wear one (but it would likely be less popular than with women, for perception-of-masculinity reasons).
notexactly, Jul 19 2016
  

       Reads like a speech given by Donald Trump's wife at a Republican convention, except she copies her's from Michelle Obama.
xenzag, Jul 19 2016
  

       Great idea. You should wear it always.
WcW, Jul 19 2016
  

       If I were a woman I wouldn't have a problem wearing this. I'd make it look damn good.   

       I'm assuming the female version of you, however, would be ill advised to wear any jewelry that would draw attention to your body. Perhaps something in a burlap tutu would be more appropriate, yes?   

       "Our next model is WcWina, showing that burlap is in again this year. And for a hat, she's sporting a lovely potato sack with eye holes cut out."
doctorremulac3, Jul 19 2016
  

       If you were a women, wearing a potato sack with holes in it would be a legal requirement. Ha
xenzag, Jul 19 2016
  

       That gives me an idea. Thanks Xen, you're a continuing source of inspiration.
doctorremulac3, Jul 19 2016
  
      
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