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I prefer melee-style intersections, of which there is only one I know of in my city. It works well but confuses people who aren't familiar with it. |
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You get cross-hatched road markings that signify a 'diagonal' crossing. It is laid out in a big square where four roads meet, and everyone just runs across when the traffic stops. |
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With only one diagonal crosswalk used at a time, some of the cars could still turn right and left on each side of the walk. |
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[sctld], do you mean the yellow crossed boxes? I thought that was for not entering (when driving) unless there's a clear way out of the junction? |
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You aren't supposed to enter them unless their is a clear way to the road you want, or unless you are turning right (i think), but they arew also used as crossings when the traffic lights at each road turns red. |
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Eh, no po. Every inhabitant of Aberdeen (at least) has used this in such a way. I am sure that it happens in other city's as well. |
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Just because your link doesn't mention something doesnt mean that it doesn't happen. Thats like buying a recipe book and insisting that sponge doesn't exist, simply because it isn't in the book. |
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quite right, Aberdeen is a quiet little village |
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Indeed, it is more of a Hamlet, with all of its 200'000 permanent residents... |
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// Just because your link doesn't mention something doesnt mean that it doesn't happen // |
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But, given that it's the Highway Code, it does mean that box junctions markings do not, as you suggest, officially signify crossings which pedestrians can use to cross diagonally. |
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// Just because your link doesn't mention something doesnt mean that it doesn't happen. // |
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Just because people do something doesn't mean that they're *supposed* to do it. |
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The markings officialy signify a box junction, and only has rules laid out for vehicles. The Highway code also tells us that pedestrains should use their best judgement to find a sfe place to cross the road. When all roads joining a box junction have their trafficlights at red, the box junction becomes a safe place to cross, and thus can be crossed diagonally, in a bell curve or in any other way that you wish. |
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Whether or not they are supposed to do it is irrelevent. If pedestrians weren't supposed to do it then there would be a law forbidding it, but as such, there isn't. Therefore, we can conclude that it is something that can be done, without going into the regions of "not being supposed to do it". |
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well, you are *not* taking granny out in the wheelchair again, young man. |
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Fine, granny can pay for her own titanium hip. |
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Does it matter if it does? |
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[sctld] whats your take on diagornal Sidewalks, pal? |
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I think that diagornal sidewalks are quite common in dorset. |
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this has been baked for all of my life in towns and cities everywhere here....where are you from, Bob? Mars???? |
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Maybe he's from the superfluous punctuation planet... |
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nah, if he were, I'd know him. |
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There's one of these in Shanghai, at the corner of Huaihai Zhong Lu and Shanxi Nan Lu. It's been there for about 18 months. How about U-Shaped crossings for people who change their minds once they're halfway across? Would that still make it a 'crossing'? (Cue arguments about trees, forests, silence, and caring...) |
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Sconed in Beverly Hills. (Link) |
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It's very common in my area for pedestrian WALK lights to trigger red traffic lights in all directions, so the entire intersection is car-free and can be crossed diagonally. |
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We have these. They make great opportunities for trampling people. |
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Unfortunately, this is a matter of principle: cars go one way, people go same way; people on other direction are stopped. Diagonality would mean a redesign of traffic light patterns to include a special time for pedestrians to pass, which I don't think a lot of Americanos where I live would appreciate- longer delays at the stoplight. They have a hard enough time resisting the urge to run over peds as it is, and I have nearly been hit on several occasions. But if I'm wrong, then this would be awesome to have from the walker's perspective. |
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[polartomato] You're not wrong. Diagonal crosswalks as described herein are most convenient, safe and practical in environments where the streets can best be described as "open-air shopping malls" exhibiting a high number of big tax revenue generating retail shops within a very limited number of blocks. In these situations, pedestrians are the dominant traffic, and vehicles are the interlopers. Vehicles are meant to understand that these streets are no longer trafficways as much as they are convenient "driveways". |
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When traffic in two directions both get a green arrow to turn left at the same time, people could cross diagonally in the little bit of space between. They would be walking in the same direction as oncoming traffic. If all the drivers stay inside the little dotted curved white lines for turning left, there should be about 3 feet of space for BRAVE pedestrians. hahaha. |
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Baked in Denver. We've got those all over downtown, the light cycles in three stages: Southeast traffic gets green, Northwest traffic gets green, then all pedestrians get a walk signal. The two diagonal crosswalks across the intersection have four walk signals each facing the opposite corner. Slows down traffic a little bit but in the busy financial area we get a lot of foot traffic. |
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No car could move for a period of time so I
think it would get annoying to drive and
then people would probably start walking
more, creating a less fat America. |
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Where these things created by a lobbying effort of the petroleum companies? |
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(I often wonder if lights in my area are intentionally staggered in cycles to increase fuel consumption.) |
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