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iHalfBakery
A phone-friendly version of the Half Bakery | |
I use an iPhone a lot, and I have all of my favourite sites'
apps on my iPhone. I haven't been able to find any app, nor
even any suggestion that someone should devise an app,
for the iPhone. It can't be too difficult (that statement is
probably terribly demeaning to the sorts of people who
actually
do all of the programming, which I'm sure is
immensely complicated, I really have no idea), and it'd be
really helpful, it just irks me when I have to open Safari,
which is really irritating on the iPhone, to look through the
HB.
All that's necessary is a reformatting of the site, and some
kind of convenient navigation page. I'm not familiar with
BlackBerrys and other PDAs, but I'm sure there's some kind
of rough equivalent to the iPhone "app", and it could be
adapted for them as well.
I think it'd be really helpful; then again, you seasoned Half
Bakers (I'm sure that pun has been kicked to death, but
there you go) might not want to deal with people like me
having unfettered access to the HB.
http://www.halfbakery.com/lr/
The lo-res (or low-rent?) version. [jutta, Jun 04 2009]
Palm HalfBakery Portal
Palm_20HalfBakery_20Portal#964803600
[xaviergisz, Jun 04 2009]
An example of pure css styling
http://www.bloghera...ss-tips-and-tricks/
[bigsleep, Jun 04 2009]
iPhone has poor rendering?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=672
There's an RSS client for that. [reap, Jun 04 2009]
the default /lr halfbakery home page.
/lr/view/fxc=@Halfb...n=tiny:t=halfbakery
Which may be different from your own personal root page, if you've edited that view. [jutta, Jun 05 2009]
[link]
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am I right in saying that if you are using your phone, you're not at work and so should not be reading the hb...? |
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It's amusing how all of a sudden Apple touts the fact that, basically, they haven't got a good enough browser as an advantage - "There's an app for that!" That should be "You'll need an app for that!" |
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So, what's needed beyond what the lo-res version (link) does right now? And is there some way we could be adapting the lo-res to be usable (if it isn't already) for iPhone that doesn't hurt usability on the other platforms, or does this require a completely new thing? |
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I don'thave a problem with the b/2 on iPhone and Safari. I don't really have a problem with Safari full stop. |
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Does the RSS feed version of the Halfbakery look OK on an iPhone? |
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Both the low and hi res are long winded. Could be time to go for a css based styling ? Basically then, the low res is the same as the high res minus the style sheet. If it would be of use, I could re-code a typical idea page in that fashion ? |
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//Does the RSS feed version of the Halfbakery look OK on an iPhone?//
I don't know - I've never been! |
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Ah, so not an Asimov story about how a website becomes sentient and subverts the laws of computing in order to free itself from its human masters then? |
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I was just thinking of this yesterday. I have a streaming news app
that delivers the latest headlines to my phone in a neat little bar
widget at the top of the home screen. To read the full article, or
see more headlines, all I have to do is tap the widget. Why not a
streaming Bakery that works the same way? On the other hand,
it's quite easy to get here on my phone's browser. Tap the
browser icon, which I can set as a shortcut on the home screen,
and it connects to the web, usually the last page I visited on my
last session. Which is usually the Bakery. So all I do is tap the
icon, hit the menu button, and tap 'refresh' and I'm here. If the
Halfbakery wasn't the last site I visited, I hit 'menu', tap
'bookmarks', select 'My Halfbakery Page', and I'm here. Very
easy to do, but I guess compared to using an Apple, anything's
easy. |
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//delivers the latest headlines to my phone // |
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How does it differ from the RSS feed in results? |
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//If the Halfbakery wasn't the last site I visited, I hit 'menu', tap 'bookmarks', select 'My Halfbakery Page', then tap 'refresh'. Very easy to do, but I guess compared to using an Apple, anything's easy.//
Strange to Relate, but using the Apple iPhone it is only 3 touch options to open any bookmarked website - no need to refresh, neither!. |
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I could read the h/2 on my nokia 2600c - using either the built-in browser or opera. |
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Scrolling down to read the latest annotaion to a Vernon idea was rather tiring, however. |
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//Both the low and hi res are long winded// ... //Scrolling down to read...// That's a content issue - no amount of css or iClever is going to solve that, short of rewriting everyone's ideas and annotations into punchier versions that fit better on a 2" by 3" screen. |
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Maybe just replace all the text with nice screen-filling icons representing croissants and fishbones underlined with a caption taken from an idea that refreshes randomly whenever you shake your iDevice. |
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Then, if you like the look of it, you can go to the iHalfbakeryStore and download your idea and add it to your library. |
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[z_t] What I meant by that was the underlying html. You viewed the source recently ? There is bound to be a time why I want to add a tagline on a mobile phone. |
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//You viewed the source recently ?// [marked-for-tagline] ;) |
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You think the low-res HTML is long-winded? Can you be more specific? |
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Ayn Rand meets the halfbakery. That's all I can
think of when I see this title. |
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Both the low and hi-res depend heavily on tables and top-up font styling. See link for where quite a nice conversational format requires minimal html coding and relies on the css to pretty it up - even down to the big quotes on 'blockquote'. |
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[edit: to test my low/hires theory, follow the "An example .." link and choose "Save as" (in IE) with type "Webpage complete". Go into the folder full of graphics and stuff and delete the two .css files. View the local copy, not bad even without css and highly suitable for low bandwidth and small screen devices. |
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I have to say all this came from a painful experience of getting quite a complex site through a triple A accessibility rating which forbids the use of tables, requires hotkeys etc etc] |
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Alright, things are going a little bit over my head,
so I'm going to clarify using my own, admittedly
limited, vocabulary. |
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1. Formatting. When I open HB on Safari with my
iPhone, I have to zoom in and zoom out to see an
overview of the page and to read what's written
there, alternately. I'd like it if I had a page that fits
the screen of the iPhone, with legible text at the
same time. I don't know what you call it, but I've
seen it for other sites, and I know it's possible. |
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2. Navigation. Over and over again, I press the
wrong link in Safari, because the whole system is
so fiddly. If there was a proper site map, with
sensibly-sized (for the iPhone) buttons and maybe
even a proper scrolling iPhone menu, as opposed
to a web-based one. |
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3. Storing login details, and downloading pages.
The former irritates me, when I have to log in over
and over again (might be my settings); the latter
would just be useful. |
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In my opinion, the low-res version doesn't add
anything to it on the iPhone, it doesn't address
those three issues at all. Again, I don't know how
complicated the making of an app is, but I can
imagine it being really handy if it were done well. |
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[po] is there some sort of convention I'm not
aware of, that you're only allowed on the Half
Bakery when you should be doing what society
deems "meaningful" work? Isn't it a crime to spend
any spare time you have not on the bakery?
[DrBob], [blissmiss] I apologise that my idea didn't
live up to the expectations its name raised. |
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// Both the low and hi-res depend heavily on tables and top-up font styling. |
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Ah. Actually, the lo-res version has a lot less table-based styling; none at all in the actually idea text, and none if you're selecting a non-table based presentation for the root page. But it's true that the default lr/ view is a table, with a comparatively small amount of styling in it, some of which is annoying and useless. |
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There are some things that CSS is great at, but laying out dynamically sized table cells isn't one of them, in my admittedly limited experience. |
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duh_don, thanks for the details. That bump in po's cheek is her tongue. |
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Don, I used to have trouble with having to login everytime, too.
Check your browser settings, and make sure the 'accept cookies'
option is selected. That should keep you logged in. Mind you, I
don't have an iPhone, I have a G1, but that part should work the
same. As far as screen sizing, that must be an iPhone issue,
because it works fine on my phone. |
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//That bump in po's cheek is her tongue.//
Are you sure? Normally it's a choccie biscuit. |
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I was writing tongue firmly in cheek as well, don't you
worry. |
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My father came out for a visit this weekend, and showed me his new iPhone. I mentioned to him my (now deleted) idea for a Halfbakery widget that would open a browser window and take you directly to the HB. What he showed me may interest any iPhone users here. If you go to a webpage and open the settings menu, there's an option to put a direct link to it on the home screen. Which is exactly what my widget idea was supposed to do. |
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