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the joules project
massive wiki style contributor database for describing energy costs of ALL human activities | |
industrial
chemical
commercial
mining
agricultural
transportation.
etc....
making products,
brining them to market
making houses
having a police man DO a specific task
a huge database of the specific estimates of the amount of
energy used for a generic process and for specific instances
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companies) own report on their own energy inputs into the
outputted finished products.
the concept might be thought 'irrelevant' to many people
because the money price for goods and services provides a
distilled statistic providing the information above.
but this is NOT the case. money is a very imperfect measure
of the actual energy used to make something happen.
frequently the biggest problem with money is simply the
many people that need to be bribed or 'paid off' through one
purposeless tax or another to make something happen .
now , im not saying the joules project would be a perfect
description of the world. there are of course many intangibles
that are worth the price we pay for them that cannot be
counted in joules, because they represent behavioral stop-
gaps of societal game theory. for example the monetary cost
of 'law and order' allows for many other things to happen in
society, and thus a not so easy or meaningful energy estimate
is not a sign that these efforts are not worth the costs.
the goal of the project would be to find energetic arbitrage
by way of subsittution of behaviors from high energy to low
energy given a same or acceptably similar outcome.
of course, there might even be some bonus results where
extremely wasteful energetic projects can be identified and
eliminated by substituting something else, or simply shutting
it down.
positional goods
http://www.economis...oods-coach-edition/
[pertinax, Apr 08 2014]
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Does not free will allow us to joule anything our heart desires even purely inefficient things?
It would be nice to know if my joules used when driving is below, equivalent or above the average, although data measurement would need to loose a few factor dimensions to get any sensible data . |
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An engineer friend of mine once proposed a thermodynamic model of economics, but I don't think he persuaded anyone to take it up. |
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I suspect that much of the price information which is poorly correlated with energy cost is related to "positional goods", and I suspect that positional goods become a more prominent feature of the world economy as the planet becomes more crowded. |
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How would you fact check this when it comes to industrial and commercial secrets? Say it takes my factory 5 joules to make a jellybean, but my competitor reports 10. I might just be tempted to report 10 joules as well, so I don't inadvertently divulge that I have a much more efficient process. |
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//man DO a specific task// |
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So your shift key does function!! |
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I read only the first sentence. Sorry. |
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But if you want to open a WIKI, just open one.
MediaWiki lets you open a free wiki on ANY subject.
Its the simplest thing in the world to do. |
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(I have one on the Hebrew language and the evolution
of human language and writing) |
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I read only the first sentence. Sorry. |
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But if you want to open a WIKI, just open one.
MediaWiki lets you open a free wiki on ANY subject.
Its the simplest thing in the world to do. |
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(I have one on the Hebrew language and the evolution
of human language and writing) |
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i think people are misunderstanding my intent. it
is simple, pachute. |
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positional goods, amongst other obvious realities
of the human condition including love, greed fear ,
inability to cooperate, loyalty, religion, gluttony |
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these are the things that determine prices. not
thermodynamics. not joules. |
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i'm just interested in the joules aspect for the b2b
implications. as a way of finding unwitting
'substitute' services and goods that could be used
to switch in a 'pinch' in case of emergency or
other unusual circumstance. |
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Um, you're the one who said you wanted to compile a joule catalog for "ALL human activities". |
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You want joule users and joule producers to do this voluntarily, so you can shop in a joule-cognizant manner, aka, wouldn't it be nice if.... |
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//i think people are misunderstanding my intent.
it is simple, pachute. // |
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There are many smart people here (and I do not
include myself in that number, modest soul that I
am). If everyone has misunderhended you, it
indicates that the idea needs explaining better. |
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Many people here also get irritated by people just
dumping their ideas out directly into "Other:
[general]" - it's a bit like visiting someone's house
and leaving stuff lying around for the host to pick
up. Just saying. |
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//
I read only the first sentence. Sorry.
// |
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I don't think you should be sorry at all, [pash]. In fact, you
should be proud of yourself for getting all the way through
it. It's a long slog before you get to the first correctly used
period, down there at the end of the second paragraph. |
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Just read. Please lay off the family joules! |
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Well, at least it's in other:general. |
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