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Donald Trump Category
All posts now eventually lead to Donald Trump discussions, can we all agree he needs his own category? | |
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Michael Forbes
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bullied by the fascist Trump [xenzag, May 02 2020]
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I'm surprised he doesn't. Self-named of course. |
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Everybody would like it. Haters, supporters, in this
contentious age it's a Trump thing we can all come together
on. |
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I think it would end up being the most posted on category
ever. I probably wouldn't but I'd certainly peek in to see
what was going on. |
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There's already "other: religion: deity or prophet" ... |
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He could just be hidden away from view and added to one already in existence that currently has no minor subsections such as: Circus - Clown - Trump. |
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He really should have his own top level domain, ".don" ... immortality beckons. |
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No, he's probably too busy playing dice with the Universe ... |
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//It may seem that all posts lead there ...but they
really
don’t (links). He must be SO disappointed.// |
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The third one on the list is specifically about
Trump.
Didn't go down the rest but searching "Trump" his
name
turns up 386 times. Searching "Obama" I counted
100,
George Bush 165, Bill Clinton 54. Worth noting
these are
all 8 year term presidents compared to Trump
being
under 4. |
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Trump is discussed here A LOT. |
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For further comparison, the infamous figure from
history whose legacy is to be used to end all
political arguments only got 212 mentions. |
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Why would Trump be mentioned in the years
before
he was president? It's a period of less than 4 years
we're looking at,
not
twenty. Are you saying Trump isn't mentioned here
a lot? |
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But wow, 1,972 matches for me, and 11,440 for
8th? I might want to consider getting a life. |
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Although I've heard those are underrated. |
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Whoa! Hold on, I stand corrected! He's mentioned
MANY
times before he was elected president for some
reason.
This Trump obsession thing is a very weird
phenomena.
And hey, I'm just as bad as anybody, I'm talking
about him
too. WTF? |
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Xenzag, olive branch extended, can I ask what
prompted
your interest in this guy before he entered politics?
Not
an attack, I'm genuinely interested. I understand
to some
extent people centering on this guy because he's
president, but what's with the interest in him
before that?
Doing a search of pre-2016 Donald Trump posts you
hold
the record so you'd be the one to ask. |
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Donald Trump Bluebottle Factory Head 2007 |
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Donald Trump Comb-over Windfarm 2015 |
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Donald Trump Sand Dune 2008 |
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Really, not attacking you, you're very creative and
funny a
lot of the time and I bun a lot of your ideas, and I
generally understand your current interest in this
man,
but what was going on before that? |
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If you're uncomfortable discussing it that's fine,
just ignore the question, but it's really not an
attack,
I'm genuinely interested. |
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My interest in Trump started when he tried to bully a resident off a beach area in Scotland to create one of his golf courses. (see link) Alex Salmond, the then first minister of Scotland, saw fit to crawl up Trump's arse and grant the required planning permission. I subsequently sent Salmond a paper spine template to enable him to cut it out of wood and attach to his back. I detest bullies, and facists. My family has a history of stubborn and determined resistance against them, and Trump is currently the world's most powerful fascist bully, so he attracts me as his implacable enemy. |
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OK, I hear you, that makes sense. I'd agree that
that's not acceptable. |
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As far as his other political and social positions
though, what would you say to the following Trump
statements? |
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“China wants to write the rules. That would put us
at a disadvantage. Why should we let that happen?
We should write those rules.” |
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"Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple.
Until the American people are convinced we will
stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will
make no progress." |
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(we need to) "spend money to build a barrier to try
to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in." |
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"That’s why we need to start by giving agencies
charged with border security new technology, new
facilities, and more people to stop, process and
deport illegal immigrants." |
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I think the world would be a better place if both
America and China would stop destroying it with
greed and overproduction. Inequalities will always
cause mass movements of people and you may as
well try and stop the wind with a fence. Great
inequalities also create conflict. |
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The entire focus of the politics of the likes of
Trump is at total right angles to how I think. I can't
conceive of a so called leader who spends most of
his time ranting about his TV ratings between visits
to a golf course or delivering lies and insults to
journalists. Nothing that Trump says has any
credibility, so I never address his remarks. He's a
liar; a racist; a merchant of hatred, and a
confessed abuser of women. The world will be a
better place when he's out of office and hopefully
under lock and key, and America can begin
restoring its dignity and repairing the damage he
has done to its global reputation. Presently
America is the laughing stock of every single
country in the entire world, and this is all down to
one man's total idiocy. That's quite an
achievement. We can all only hope for better days,
and ironically the virus may well up being our best
friend in that regard. You did ask! Ha |
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Sorry to butt in unannounced, but couldn't resist. |
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1) Re China - so far as setting out an objective, it's fair enough. Life is about more
than just saying what you want the most though. Where Trump fails is following up
this objective with rational, legal or sensible actions. Instead, it's all Cowboy
media-led fluff and nonsense - he doesn't stand by his wild statements and is a
bluff-merchant. When you play poker, or world trade with someone who bluffs all
the time, you learn to ignore them. This gives China, Russia, Syria or whoever carte
blanche to do whatever they like, knowing that there will be no actual
consequences. |
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2) Again, nothing wrong with putting forward what you want. Same position as most
people, Obama and nearly everyone else. Nobody wants illegal immigration. The
main problem here is that there are *much* more important things to worry about
than a few extra cleaning staff.We will make far more progress by not worrying
about problems that aren't really that much of an issue to people's actual day-to-
day lives. Try healthcare, and having a stable economy. |
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3) Spending money is fine, except it means you're not spending it on stuff that's
more important. Police, roads, healthcare, the economy, libraries, parks, the armed
forces, a capable response to public emergencies - you know, government kind of
stuff. |
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4) Same issue - but it's the last thing on many people's list. Yes, people get worked
up about illegal immigration - but compared to all the other issues out there, it's a
mug's game. Easy to whip up in people's minds, and should be easy to make big
grandiose political points about, but actually, doesn't make any real difference to
most people's lives. |
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So whilst illegal immigration is something to keep an eye on, it's not as though there
are no current, and effective controls. It's just an easy mark for a certain kind of
politician, one who's not afraid of distracting the public away from what matters,
onto an emotive and easy to control public message. |
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It's always better to invent a bad-guy and make out how bad they are - because that
bad-guy is nearly always one of your own invention. It's easier to control the story,
make it flex to meet your campaign strategy - it's good campaigning. Trump *is* a
good campaigner. Campaigners are great at making shit up, getting it spread out to
the widest possible audience, and then stand on record, promising to solve
whatever the invented issues are. |
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Proper leaders attempt to fix the hard, real problems by building stable frameworks
within which talented (often entrepreneurial) people have the freedom to do
difficult technical and challenging work that furthers the public good. |
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//Nothing that Trump says has any credibility, so I
never address his remarks.// |
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(Xen) The quotes you chose to not comment on are
variously Obama, Hillary and Chuck Schumer, the
Democrat Senate minority leader. |
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It's very sad that you're actually celebrating mass
death caused by the coronavirus. I really hope you
don't take it further and start supporting genocide
against people you disagree with. Then you've lost
your humanity. I'd like to think you're better than
that. I hope so
anyway. |
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(Zen) Thank you for your thoughtful comments,
and I'd agree with some of your points,
but you'll have take it up with Obama and Hillary.
I'm just
quoting them. |
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My point is that with this tribalism the process of
engineering reasonable solutions to our problems
get hampered. "Did politician X say it? Then I
disagree with it. I'll support anything that
politician Y says though." Hey, I'm not above that, I
have to catch myself sometimes and say "I agree
with Bernie Sanders on that point." because from
time to time I do. |
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I'll close with this though Xen, I do agree with the idea
that consumerism can be taken to un-healthy levels. I
don't think we should tolerate crappy human work
conditions in Chinese factories just so we can get a big
screen TV a little cheaper. At least on that one point
we're in total agreement. Hopefully you agree with me
about decrying genocide. |
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Ahh, a trap DrR, you devious so and so! |
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But you've wasted it on the non-partisan foreign voices of myself and Xen here.
We don't consume the same carefully curated media that gets generated over
there - we've our own polarised media to worry about. |
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If polarisation and tribalism is a bad thing - then does it make sense to support
the person most polarised in their position? Does that suggest they're just
campaigning with nothing real to offer? And, if someone starts polarising the
population, and other leaders are forced into making comments on the false
agenda laid out by the more partisan sections of the media - getting distracted
by the circus of illegal immigration and ego-politics, rather than real and
detailed issues that aren't as newsworthy - isn't that some broken politics right
there? |
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Rather than playing into the tribal game, which favours the most outrageous,
most headline-grabbing loudmouths about - far better to support people with
nuanced, thoughtful and considered views. |
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OK, you've elevated this discussion with common
sense and some interesting well thought out points. |
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// people with nuanced, thoughtful and considered views. // |
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Those would be the ones that look at politics and journalsm, then shake their heads and walk quietly away ? |
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