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Fact News and Fact Sources

Backtrack the news using cryptography
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The basis of this idea is that digital content can be signed by a person. For example -

"Russia interfered with US elections" is a sentence that can be digitally signed by a reporter or journalist and any media outlet can check the digital signature to an individual. What's more, the same sentence can be signed by multiple journalists so that a 'truth' score can be established.

Now we get to derived news e.g. "Tougher sanctions are required on Russia because cite:"Russia interfered with US elections""

This can also be digitally signed, but if the enclosed quote has subsequently been rescinded, the derived news item can be dynamically edited by a news viewer e.g.

"Tougher sanctions are required on Russia because cite:"<orange>Russia interfered with US elections - Dubious fact</orange>""

Or if all reporters pull out of their digital signature -

"Tougher sanctions are required on Russia because cite:"<red>Russia interfered with US elections - FAKE NEWS</red>""

One can imagine a news reader application that checks all digital signatures and reformats a news item based on current validity. Not dynamic redaction but dynamic validation - colours and extra text would appear like modifications to a style sheet.

You can imagine dynamically marked up history books where whole chapters have turned red and orange.

You could possibly tweet a tiny url in a hashtag for a validation source e.g. #RussiaSanctions #Ubh37ty.


1) Date of news - Old news could be re-signed if the age of 'old facts' makes a new item become less credible.

2) Corrupt reporters - a fight for the fact space.
Well at the moment its hard to separate accurate reporting from bullshit so with the aid of e.g. this idea we start with accredited journalists, peer reviewed. If the balance is tipped to a majority of lobbyists then we know facts, science and the truth is dead.

Hopefully the idea of looking at a dynamically fact checked paragraph instead of a tweet will be the new news norm. People will wonder why someone is presenting some text or news piece without showing the dynamically, cryptographically secured truth.

bigsleep, Feb 04 2017

For those who don't have our backs, we're taking names. http://www.bbc.com/...-us-canada-38764981
...how to make friends and influence people [not_morrison_rm, Feb 05 2017]

Web of Trust https://www.linux.c...usted-communication
A decentralised alternative to digital certificates. [Wrongfellow, Feb 05 2017]

This ought to generate some great fake news for next election cycle https://arstechnica...dio-speech-editing/
[theircompetitor, Feb 05 2017]

https://d.justpo.st...view-1485129964.jpg [2 fries shy of a happy meal, Feb 05 2017]

Maskirovka https://en.wikipedi..._military_deception
A matter of policy ... [8th of 7, Feb 05 2017]

Bogus-ist https://drive.googl...CQbjY0RpUHVZOUp1TlU
[not_morrison_rm, Feb 05 2017]


       Something like bitcoin for truthiness?
RayfordSteele, Feb 04 2017

       Reality exists between our ears. Ultimately no one cannot be convinced of anything except they're own existence, thx Decartes
theircompetitor, Feb 04 2017

       However, lying is supposedly detectable by MRI, even in pathological liars. Perhaps there's an answer there
theircompetitor, Feb 04 2017

       Dip journalists in a tank of liquid Helium ?
8th of 7, Feb 05 2017

       //Something like bitcoin for truthiness?//   

       Exactly that, although I wasn't thinking of bitcoin at the time. In the bitcoin paradigm, the subsequent transactions of this idea are greater written works that rely on other cited sources or facts.   

       Likewise, the currency aspect could also work - 'fact or news currency', with the reader showing some watermarked bill (something sciencey).   

       Another good example in the news recently was Fox reporting that a radicalised Muslim was responsible for the Quebec shooting. Now had this technique been used, the 'news' would either have not got out, or the subsequent correction would have cascaded across all previous and further requotes and retweets etc.
bigsleep, Feb 05 2017

       Luckily some of it is on video,and so it doesn't need a lot of authentication.   

       For example 'Nikki Haley, President Ambassador to the United Nations, has a message for America's allies: "For those who don't have our backs, we're taking names." ' See link.   

       Two r's in Morrison. Although the old tradition was to drop an 'r' when you got married.
not_morrison_rm, Feb 05 2017

       // "For those who don't have our backs, we're taking names." //   

       Yay, go Nikki ! About bloody time, too.   

       Those who are not with us are against us. You have been warned.   


       // tradition was to drop an 'r' //   

       ... and go up three dress sizes ...   

       //when you got married //
8th of 7, Feb 05 2017

       This sounds like a perfect application for a "web of trust" system [link].
Wrongfellow, Feb 05 2017

       Sorry about the lengthy quotation about Lyndon Johnson to follow but it makes an important point (starting with "oldest trick"):   

       It reads: “This is one of the oldest and most effective tricks in politics. Every hack in the business has used it in times of trouble, and it has even been elevated to the level of political mythology in a story about one of Lyndon Johnson’s early campaigns in Texas.   

       “The race was close and Johnson was getting worried. Finally he told his campaign manager to start a massive rumour campaign about his opponent’s life-long habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows.   

       “Christ, we can’t get away with calling him a pig-f****r,” the campaign manager protested. “Nobody’s going to believe a thing like that.”   

       “I know,” Johnson replied. “But let’s make the sonofab****h deny it.”   

       The point of Fake News is not to be ultimately proven correct. The point of fake news is in to make an impression in the moment, and spread confusion.   

       No web of trust that is ultimately sourced from individuals who themselves are liable to spin can ever be free of this, and the notion of news that is free of opinion is a fantasy. We can't even agree on news about temperatures, which is a physical measurement.   

       Just logon to Facebook to see a confirmation of this. The so called web of trust is already manifest in the links people are posting and cross-posting in the hopes of displaying their flags and pins on their lapels, and the more of their friends like it, they more "true" it feels, until some stubborn sonofabitch comes in and trolls the party and reminds everyone that their reality is in the eyes of the beholder.   

       One interesting area where we tend to agree by necessity is price discovery, i.e. we debate where a given stock price may be going, but we don't dispute the price of a given transaction or a closing price. Perhaps there's something there for you to mine.
theircompetitor, Feb 05 2017

       // The point of fake news is in to make an impression in the moment, and spread confusion. //   

       There's a word for it. <link>
8th of 7, Feb 05 2017

       The right word is "naebalovka", 8th :)
theircompetitor, Feb 05 2017

       Bogus-ist is more fun, see link.
not_morrison_rm, Feb 05 2017

       Did you know Kim Jong Un is actually Psy's twin brother?
RayfordSteele, Feb 06 2017

       Does that make him the Good twin or the Evil twin ?
8th of 7, Feb 06 2017

RayfordSteele, Feb 06 2017

       Particularly the Japanese ones on WW2 history.
8th of 7, Feb 06 2017

       ^ How about the WW2 history books that completely fail to mention the slight Soviet Union input?
not_morrison_rm, Feb 06 2017

       Those too, particularly the ones that fail to mention the USSR lost about 26 million of its citizens in the process, and the Chinese at least 15 million, whereas the USA and the British Empire together lost about 1 million.
8th of 7, Feb 06 2017

       You know, [bigs], this is not actually such a stupid idea.   

       The only thing that's missing, I think, is some definition of who is allowed to "sign" a news item. As it stands, you seem to rely on sheer weight of numbers to support the veracity of a story. You would probably get more "reporters" to sign some items of fake news than would sign items of real news.   

       So, you need to restrict who is allowed to sign. Personally, I think it should only be the BBC, the Queen, and possibly me; but I'm open to suggestions.
MaxwellBuchanan, Feb 06 2017

       /journalism is one of those areas that are perfect for carrying out as an end to end AI process/   

       I envision an AI drone showing up in a dusty lot. Some guys with guns are sitting around smoking cigarettes.   

       "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"   

       "having a smoke, little robo"   


       "Be doing what be doing what next." guys laugh.   


       "might take a piss." guys laugh again.   


       "Because that place over there has something going on." Points.   

       Drone flies in indicated direction, is shot shortly after either by someone in that direction or by the guys in the lot.
bungston, Feb 07 2017

       Travel ban arguments...“We treat people from North Korea differently than we treat people from France,"   

       They're missing a trick there..
not_morrison_rm, Feb 08 2017

       //it is fast becoming more credible than most textbooks.//   

       Is that due to the rise of Wikipedia or the fall of the integrity of textbooks these days? Particularly those approved by a certain Texas Educational Board?
RayfordSteele, Feb 08 2017

       //is shot shortly after either by someone in that direction//   

       South African olympics are quite competitive.   

       //precise situation alluded to here is what what we now know of as Wikipedia//   

       Tend to agree. In fact I think the web of trust surrounding factual reporting is quite carefully managed on Wikipedia, especially the number of footnotes which give corroboration or invite citation. It still seems like they need more neutral researchers, but its encouraging.
bigsleep, Feb 08 2017


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