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London's Emergency

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[not marked for deletion] I'm doing a week of temp work right now, at Old Street / Barbican area. On my way out of the train at Old Street tube around 9ish this morning, the power failed. It appears now that several explosions have shut the tube network down, all stations evacuated and walking wounded seen.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005

BBC News http://news.bbc.co..../low/uk/4659093.stm
(low graphics version) [hippo, Jul 07 2005]

Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia...ransport_explosions
[angel, Jul 07 2005]

I'd forgotten how bad it used to be. http://www.nivets.c.../chron/mainland.htm
I just feel sick as it starts again. [AbsintheWithoutLeave, Jul 07 2005]

My walk home http://www.flickr.c.../72057594071275628/
[Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005]

In 2003, around 10 people killed on road each day in UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3835747.stm
London's bombers almost managed to quadruple this amount, in London alone, just for one day. Hardly worth the bother, was it? Especially taking into account the saving of potential road casualties that might have otherwise happened on that day, by effectively clearing the city and roads, making it just that bit safer for pedestrians and traffic. [Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005]

The Gerhkin on MultiMap http://www.multimap...=217&multimap.y=124
[zen_tom, Jul 08 2005]

And on Google Maps http://maps.google....,0.008827&t=k&hl=en
I think it's the round thing in the middle of the page. [zen_tom, Jul 08 2005]

A Letter To The Terrorists, From London http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/005167.php
[waugsqueke, Jul 08 2005]

The Swiss Re Building ("The Gherkin") http://images.googl...s=en-us&sa=N&tab=wi
[hippo, Jul 09 2005]

(?) ACCOLC http://www.workze.com/articles/ACCOLC
Access Overload [oneoffdave, Jul 11 2005]

We're not afraid http://www.werenotafraid.com/
Post-bombing thoughts [hippo, Jul 12 2005]

Latest BBC news item on the police investigation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676577.stm
You can keep your international terrorism. There's no terrorist like a home-grown terrorist. [DrBob, Jul 12 2005]

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       nothing much on the internet but people here listening to the radio are talking about 5 bombs.   

       take care all and glad to know that Ian is o.k.
po, Jul 07 2005
  

       God be with you. (3:03 AM PDT/ 11AM London) We're just getting BBC America details now. London-Bakers, please do your best to check in regularly and continue to let us know that you are well and safe if the situation escalates.
jurist, Jul 07 2005
  

       Right now (11am London) the mobile phone networks are overloaded, so best thing is to stay off the cellphones for a while here.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       I can only wonder and fail to understand. So soon after the celebration for 2012, as well.
Ling, Jul 07 2005
  

       Ling, - well, there'll always be a few malcontents around the world, trying to spoil the fun. However, they forget - we're not easily dissuaded.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       The Underground have just stopped using the 'power surge' explanation. Replaced it with effectively nothing, however. What's interesting is the calm concerted widespread effort to not speculate. That certainly is impressive.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       TV news is reporting 20+ fatalities.
Police have confirmed 2 dead.
calum, Jul 07 2005
  

       Those three buses seem to have reduced to one bus now. Which can only be good news.   

       I must admit, I'm still quite fired up about the Olympics - that was terrific news, and the smile on my face is still there underneath.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       Suggestion on Sky news that parts of the cellular network may have been turned off to prevent remote detonation - a odd sort of sick plus for the terrorists, because it engenders more panic when people can't contact loved ones.
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Jul 07 2005
  

       Interesting - Vodaphone say that the overloaded mobile networks are caused by their giving priority to the emergency services. I didn't know they were able to do that.
hippo, Jul 07 2005
  

       Blimey! I changed at Bank and went through Moorgate only minutes away from the time in question, this morning.   

       UnaBubba, - maybe they were loud reports.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       Staff in the London offices of my employer (around Victoria) have been told to stay indoors, close window blinds, and move away from the windows. The word "duh" springs to mind.
Good to see that (most of) our resident Londoners appear to be OK.
angel, Jul 07 2005
  

       [hippo] The telcos are able to do the same for the fixed phone network too, though so far I seem to be able to get through to friends in the centre of London.
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Jul 07 2005
  

       Good Lord, this is awful news.   

       Ian, I was very pleased to hear about the Olympics going to London too. I can't imagine this event is related to that. More likely I would suspect it's meant to get the attention of the G8 attendees.
waugsqueke, Jul 07 2005
  

       A few weeks ago I was in England for the first time, and made sure to travel on the London Underground. Best wishes to all in that great city.
baconbrain, Jul 07 2005
  

       I'm in BT centre near Bank. We have all been advised to stay in the building and not travel until further notice. I'm doing a conference today - most of the delegates are arriving from France by Eurostar! So I guess it'll be a quiet day here.
wagster, Jul 07 2005
  

       Ian, where are you now?
waugsqueke, Jul 07 2005
  

       waugsqueke, - 12 midday now, am in an office, just off another street halfway up Old Street. There's not a lot of activity going on outside right now. Seems as though the fuss is over, and thoughts are turning to how people are going to get home.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       I'm in Centrepoint tower in London. We heard the blast at Russel square!! The Police have set up roadblocks around the streets here....
Minimal, Jul 07 2005
  

       ...and I'm in Westminster, just off the Victoria side of Parliament Square. Lots of police cars zooming around.
hippo, Jul 07 2005
  

       thank God you all are safe, you Londoners were the first in my thought this a.m. as we watched the awful news.
dentworth, Jul 07 2005
  

       I've just heard that various offices of my employer have been getting bomb warnings all week. Our site in Darwen (Lancashire) was evacuated three times, and the Glasgow office is on "high alert" for tomorrow. It may be significant that we have call centres in London dealing with (among other things) congestion charging.
angel, Jul 07 2005
  

       I think the authorities knew something was going to happen. They were already closing stations on the Bank branch of the Northern line at 8:15, half an hour before the 1st blast. When I got on the tube they were all going via Charing+.
Minimal, Jul 07 2005
  

       I congratulate the emergency services for executing exactly what had been practiced and planned for, in such a successful manner, given the circumstances.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       I know. I just looked out the window before I go out to lunch - it's raining now.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       Glad to hear you're OK folks. Don't relax yet awhile though. I can't help thinking G8 and only 7 explosions so far. Hope I'm wrong.
DrBob, Jul 07 2005
  

       [IT] //there is something wrong with the world//
// it's raining now// No, that's normal for July.
Good luck with the journey home. Stay safe.
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Jul 07 2005
  

       I can walk home in about two hours. I suspect that the journey by public transport may take longer...
wagster, Jul 07 2005
  

       My heart and prayers are with you all. Stay safe, and alert. And if you have not checked in, please do.
blissmiss, Jul 07 2005
  

       can I give you a lift at all wag?
po, Jul 07 2005
  

       Ian, I put a + vote up there to say thank you for keeping us all informed in this way, and to ask you to not mark-for-deletion this experience. The Halfbakery amazes me once again. Best of luck to all.
baconbrain, Jul 07 2005
  

       Yes, thanks Ian.
dentworth, Jul 07 2005
  

       And also to UnaBubba, many thanks. I didn't know of the Halfbakery on 11th September, 2001, but I wish I had. I'd just been divorced, and had to sit alone and watch my old neighborhood go up in smoke. Now London is attacked while the memories of my visit make the distant scenes feel very close. To get this news in this way is a comfort, indeed.
baconbrain, Jul 07 2005
  

       Took a walk around from here to Holborn to Hatton Garden to back here, for lunchbreak. Lots of people about, in the rain, and later in the sun. Lots of people milling around at businesses doorways, staring out at the rest of the populace, and everywhere the expressions on faces are strong and positive. Actual reported explosions seem to have reduced from earlier numbers. Three on the Underground network and one on a bus.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       Google news says an Al Qaeda group claims responsibility. My thoughts are with you all in London. My anger is rekindled as it was slowly fading from 4 years ago.
Zimmy, Jul 07 2005
  

       From europhobia.blogspot.com:
"Someone here at work has just been phoned by a guy he knows in Canary Wharf (I know, it's a bit removed - but I trust him). He says marines have shot a man there who they think to have been a suicide bomber."
angel, Jul 07 2005
  

       That Canary Wharf suicide bomber story is all over the internet with nothing more to back it up than "My mate said that..."
calum, Jul 07 2005
  

       This is awful. Bastards.   

       As if they'd not had their fill on the playground years ago, new world bullies with guns and explosives forgot the meaning of life sometime back. Desensitized ignorant hopeless demons reeked havok once again.   

       I'd say I'd kill them if I had the chance, but that's a bit hypocritical. Maybe, just, tar and feather them and their families, stick them in one of the inane HB contraptions mused over so far, and hope for lessons learned. Or just kill the whole lot of them, I really don't know.
daseva, Jul 07 2005
  

       My thought are with you. As I said last time, sometimes the news is way too close.
DrCurry, Jul 07 2005
  

       [nearly 4pm] Rail services out of London are starting back up (with the exception of Kings Cross). Traction current to the Underground is intact and could theoretically (apparently) now run a full service again, but it's not going to until investigations have got out of the way. The Docklands Light Rail is back up with a few stations not calling at. Bus is the way home for many people. Other than those immediately affected, it's proved that the contingency plans have been highly effective, and that the transport system itself has proved highly resilient, barely losing the mid-section of a working day. Apparently, being mid-week, the hospitals were well within capacity too. Life's great.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       I'm glad you're OK, Ian.   

       I'm very impressed to hear how well London has borne up under the attack. It's nice to hear the infrastructural damage was shunted around so handily. Big points for sturdy Brit engineering.   

       I have to say that there's a lot less wrong with the world than what is right: the outrage and indignation far overpowers the fanatics' need to strike at unsuspecting targets to "make a point." By and large, the world's peoples seek to maintain a peaceful coexistence with each other; a few malcontents are determined to pout and stamp their feet and call it "freedom fighting" and "striking for freedom" or some such rhetoric.   

       I feel for London and the rest of GB - God save you! - and curse the zealots for their crass, amoral infidel methods.   

       I have a cousin there with her baby, though I think she lives not in London proper. One way or another, things like this touch everyone.
elhigh, Jul 07 2005
  

       I'm going home - luckily I've got my running kit with me...
hippo, Jul 07 2005
  

       Many many thanks [po] - my train line home (London Bridge - E. Dulwich) is open again and buses are apparently running south of the river so I should be ok.   

       I think we've escaped lightly after NY and Madrid. News reports of tens of dead rather than hundreds. My deepest sympathies to the families and to all those injured, but this morning I feared much worse.
wagster, Jul 07 2005
  

       Al Qaeda, eh? It could be true. I'll wait for more info--although they did a poor job of communicating after 9/11.   

       And here I am in a Muslim country. I just wandered outside, and was invited to sit with Fasrule and Yunan as they smoked. We talked about cars, America and London. The news was saddening for all. The calls to prayer drifted through the sunset as beautifully as ever. The bad people seemed very far away.   

       There are many things wrong in the world. There are also many good people trying to make things right. I work with some of them here, and many of them are Muslim.   

       I've also worked with some bad-crazy people, and all of them were religious. Damn Al Qaeda and the horse they rode in on!
baconbrain, Jul 07 2005
  

       Thanks for that, baconbrain. It's good to see that, despite the madness which has infected the few, human empathy is still mostly intact.
st3f, Jul 07 2005
  

       Emergency Services news conference half an hour or so ago reports four devices were exploded (not seven as reported earlier by the media). Three on trains and one on a bus. There were 33 people killed on the trains but the bus casualties are unconfirmed as yet.
DrBob, Jul 07 2005
  

       Nothing unites like religion. It's the solid, underpinning faith of the faithful, and the terrifying, overriding fire appropriated by the dangerous to twist the impressionable.
david_scothern, Jul 07 2005
  

       //...bus casualties are unconfirmed as yet//
Which gives rise to the most horrifying thoughts.
  

       //Nothing unites like religion//
Can't say I've noticed much of that in Glasgow.
calum, Jul 07 2005
  

       Opiates, what can you do.   

       Who's got that view that shows recent bakers? It could be used to help make sure everyone's checked in. No 'bakers hurt would be a lucky thing, I'm afraid.
daseva, Jul 07 2005
  

       the top of the bus was blown right off. anyone on the top deck must have been very badly injured.
po, Jul 07 2005
  

       [david_scothern] I wish there would be more people exposed to that statement than will probably be.
Perhaps you should do something to become famous so they can put that one in all of the children's textbooks.
Zimmy, Jul 07 2005
  

       I feared that this would bring back the horrific event of 9-11, to those who were in the city. I guess it is a reminder, we need to always be prepared for an attack. (Emotionally, I mean).   

       I echo the gratitude, baconbrain, for commenting on that perspective.   

       I hope that the day never comes, that jutta must make room for a "attack: terrorist" category.
blissmiss, Jul 07 2005
  

       Peace to you all. We all must do our parts to reign in the local radical zealots. It's insane to kill in any God's name.
sophocles, Jul 07 2005
  

       Still no news on casualties from the Bus at Tavistock Square as of 18:35 BST. Ain't going to town tomorrow.
gnomethang, Jul 07 2005
  

       [sophocles] "reign" in or rein in ?
normzone, Jul 07 2005
  

       gnome, 2 confirmed dead on the bus. I fear that number will grow
po, Jul 07 2005
  

       I've posted a link to some shots I took today, mostly on my way home. I must say, my SE K700i phone was immensely useful today from the very beginning. I was listening to mp3s in the tube, and as we stepped off the train and the power failed, many of us switched our phone backlights on, to help illuminate the way (not that it did, but it helped mark lots of "I'm here's"). Then once at work, I used the radio in it to listen to 94.9 BBC London most of the day. Then I shot some photos, panoramas, and the odd movie (not very good ones - I'd have put them and the stills up to multiply, but multiply seems to have fallen over most of today - never there when it counts).
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       Thoughts and hopes for those affected.   

       There will always be an England; there will always be a London; there will always be the British people. As they said about the Blitz, all the Nazis in the world couldn't overcome the determination of a single British tea-lady.
baka, Jul 07 2005
  

       Wotcha [baka]! How's about a nice cuppa Rosie?
wagster, Jul 07 2005
  

       Haven't checked in for long time, but I just wanted to say that my thoughts are with you Londoners and those who have friends and loved ones there.   

       I'm heartened that everyone HB-related appears to be safe and I sympathize with all Londoners in this disaster.   

       Try not to let the bastards get the better of you.
snarfyguy, Jul 07 2005
  

       it's just struck me as ironic (and I hope that the cowardly bastards that have wrecked carnage on London streets are reading this) that just last weekend, thousands of ordinary londoners and u.k. residents etc. gathered in Hyde Park to celebrate Africa and demand relief for Africans who are dying from poverty and AIDS and malaria etc. and then *we* are bombed and killed and maimed and bloodied as we go about our day-to-day activities just a few days later...   

       this has absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing to do with Islam or religion. all the muslims that I know are disgusted and sick to their stomachs of this fucking awful state of affairs.
po, Jul 07 2005
  

       London - the city made of rubber.   

       I'm off to listen to Culture's "Two Sevens Clash" on CD, and put the mp4 on my phone.
Ian Tindale, Jul 07 2005
  

       I don't think they'll be reading it po. I think they're dead.
wagster, Jul 07 2005
  

       suicide bombers? o.k. and their mentors? bastards!   

       not sure if it was down to suicide bombers. I hope that is the case because I feel so sorry for those losers too.
po, Jul 07 2005
  

       It's easier with suicide bombers, somehow you don't have to deal with the guilt of wishing another human dead.
wagster, Jul 07 2005
  

       Been following it on the news all day. Glad to know all you londoners are safe - I've been phoning and emailing people in the city all day. Haven't lived in London for three years now - I was taken unawares by the strength of emotion as I watched the whole thing unfold.   

       If they were hoping for another 9/11, they're going to be sadly mistaken - London's lived with bombing before, long before al-Quaeda were invented.
And after yesterday was such a good day, as well...
moomintroll, Jul 07 2005
  

       it's hardly 9/11...   

       o.k. 4 hours to get home - what the fuck...
po, Jul 07 2005
  

       Glad to see all of our London-based HalfBakers are all accounted for. (Is that accurate?)   

       What confuses me is that I don't understand what "the terrorists" want. Do they simply want to kill and mame people? If so, I don't see how this can ever end. If they want something else, let's have a clear demand or something. At least we would be able to better understand what their goal is.
XSarenkaX, Jul 07 2005
  

       I echo all moomintroll said. Glad all bakers are safe and well tonight, but my heart goes out to all that aren't.   

       On a day when all the world's most powerful people were supping champagne in a hotel in Scotland, loads of innocent people were killed and injured for the crime of just going to work. That doesn't make a political point - that just sucks.
lostdog, Jul 07 2005
  

       all terrorists want people to be afraid; intimidation is as much the goal as is death of the enemy.
dentworth, Jul 07 2005
  

       // it's hardly 9/11 // True, but one person dying is too many. It wouldn't be any consolation to anyone who's lost someone in this that "only" thirty-odd people died, but i do see that there are more people bereaved as a result of 9/11. On the other hand, it is at least not as "successful" as 9/11 in terms of numbers of people hurt.
nineteenthly, Jul 07 2005
  

       //Try not to let the bastards get the better of you//   

       Shit yeah..playing the Buzzcocks right now !
skinflaps, Jul 07 2005
  

       True, dentworth - what they're aiming for is for you to look over your shoulder every time you step on a bus, to think twice about that guy with a suitcase that gets on the train with you...   

       They want to inject fear and doubt into even your most simple actions. Best thing we can do is just to soldier on as normal
lostdog, Jul 07 2005
  

       I'm afraid i've looked over my shoulder ever since i was a small child and had to get off a train because of a bomb scare.
nineteenthly, Jul 07 2005
  

       Oops - I mean, maim. Heh. Sorry.   

       [dentworth]://all terrorists want people to be afraid; intimidation is as much the goal as is death of the enemy.//   

       But doesn't that seem incomplete as a plan? Ok, fear them, kill them. What does that accomplish? Why is the general populace "the enemy" anyway? What is the damned cause?   

       I refuse to believe that a religion that is supposed to be about peace can endorse such ludicrous behavior. Can the terrorists really claim to be following a Muslim plan to please their god? Can they really believe that this is what he would want them to do?   

       My only hint as to the big terror plan is that I heard that there is supposedly some quote in the Kuran about invoking terror as being honorable. I can only assume that this was either grossly misinterpreted by some hateful group, or more likely, I think the passage is being used to recruit suicide bombers while the masterminds envision gaining some sort of cartoonish world domination. These are not humble Muslims. It's like nazi-ism, all over again, but with a different religion as an excuse.   

       My opinion is that this whole terrorist movement is childish. If we can't share the world, nobody will have it, in the end. Play nice.
XSarenkaX, Jul 07 2005
  

       My thoughts are with the Londonbakers.   

       As for religion -- it is time for rational, compassionate agnostics to stand up against the Jihadists and Crusaders alike. Forget the after-life, it should be paradise right here on earth.   

       Sorry if this smacks of disrespect at this dark hour. Love to you all, dear friends.
not_only_but_also, Jul 07 2005
  

       I've been shut up in a conference all day, but saw the news an hour or so ago thanks to the 'net. If it was home soil terrorism: scum. If it was imported terrorism: scum. If it was a force majeure: it was merciful in that there were so few killed.   

       That said, might I offer my condolence and best wishes for my brothers and sisters in Great Britain, and may god serve the people.
reensure, Jul 07 2005
  

       [XSarenkaX], this gets us into some very murky territory. The very brief precis is that, yes, there are many bits in the Muslim texts about war and killing infidels, but many revered Muslim scholars have narrowed the scope of permissible violence to more or less the same areas that Christianity, working on "Just War" principle, arrived at. (For comparison, see "dar al Islam," "dar al harb," and the later concepts of "dal al sulh" and "dar al 'ahd.") It's worth remembering that Islam came of age in a very violent, politically-charged environment in which Muslims had to fight for their survival, which led to some rather intemperate language in the Quran and the hadith.   

       It's also true that the vast majority of Muslims are as enthusiastic about killing as Jews and Christians are about emulating the slaughters depicted in Genesis and Exodus -- in other words, not at all. But there are a small number -- and by small, I mean a tiny fringe of the small radical Wahabists of the minority arch-conservative Hanbali fiqh -- who use their religion as justification for slaughter. For them, the secular West is just another jahaliyah (the term for what Muslims believe to be the degraded state of the Arab world before Muhammad), and thus is a suitable target for war. In this interpretation, all citizens of the jahaliyah are targets.   

       I tend to the interpretation that al-Qaeda-style terrorism is the result of socioeconomic and political pressures acting through a religious medium. Thus we should look first not to the religious justification, but to the political intent and impetus behind the acts. For these terrorists, the intent is to create a superstate or set of states that espouses their particular ideology; the impetus comes from a combination of post-colonial politics, endemic corruption, dissatisfaction with what they see as a Western hegemon, lack of economic opportunities, failure to acculturate amongst emigrants to Europe (aided, in places like France and the Netherlands, by the host population's resistance to assimilation by immigrants), and other similar issues. There isn't a simple relationship here -- (poverty+religion != terrorism) for all cases -- but I believe that this holds more or less true. (Britain has been much more welcoming than European nations of their Muslim immigrants; if this turns out to be homegrown terrorism, I fear both what it means about what's happening in those communities, and what will happen to those communities.)   

       As a positive example, Mali in West Africa is poor, Muslim and corrupt, but democratic; its population is relatively warm towards France and very warm towards America, mostly due to Peace Corps volunteers. Lovely country. Mali is, to my mind, one of the most important battlefields in the war on terror, even though we should never need to send a single soldier there.
baka, Jul 07 2005
  

       My condolences to those who lost lives or loved ones. I wish everyone safety.
sartep, Jul 08 2005
  

       But I thought that the terrorists were choosing to fight in Iraq.
10clock, Jul 08 2005
  

       Fishing this one. As a concept, it's already well-baked. Enter the keyword "terrorism" in Google and you'll see that this idea is not at all new.
the_jxc, Jul 08 2005
  

       //Mali . . Peace Corps volunteers// My sis was one of them--she is amazing.   

       //Soldier on// Another way in which London leads the world.
baconbrain, Jul 08 2005
  

       The last group of assholes that bombed London and killed so many people ended up on the ash heap of history with their leader dead in a bunker and their cause destroyed forever. I've got a feeling this will end much the same way eventually. The thoughts and prayers of us Americats are with you.
doctorremulac3, Jul 08 2005
  

       Round up all the terrorist leaders and put them on the field between the B&I Lions and the NZ All Blacks. It should all be over in five bloody minutes.   

       I'd pay to watch that, and buy the DVD afterward.
elhigh, Jul 08 2005
  

       Hey! What asshole boned this?
Thanks Ian and everyone else.
coprocephalous, Jul 08 2005
  

       Yep, thanks Ian, and thanks too to [baka] for the most reasoned analysis I've read in a long time.
zen_tom, Jul 08 2005
  

       I agree [zen] concise and clearly stated. thanks [baka] and welcome to the halfbakery, usually we have more fun than this bad news posting.
dentworth, Jul 08 2005
  

       Hi all. I'd actually more or less forgotten about the 1/2B until last night when I remembered how good it had been on 9/11. Anyway, I'm safe and sound too. I cycle to and from work at Tottenham Court Road which is just round the corner from where the bus bomb went off. Yesterday was such a contrast to the day before when I was in Trafalgar Square celebrating the Olympics decision.
stupop, Jul 08 2005
  

       hi stu. some kind of demo planned for tonight I believe.
po, Jul 08 2005
  

       ?
stupop, Jul 08 2005
  

       Glad you checked in, stu. Could po be refering to a demonstration about the Olympics?
blissmiss, Jul 08 2005
  

       I can't help but to question the inevitability of terror. Good and evil, yada yada, I just want to stay far away. It's hard enough keeping peace in my own mind.
daseva, Jul 08 2005
  

       I heard something on the radio this morning about a public meeting to illustrate Londoners unity in Trafalgar Square, after the bombings but I haven't heard it again.
po, Jul 08 2005
  

       I have not had time to go through the entire thread, but has skinflaps been accounted for, or is he wandering the world again? Potedstu, I thought, was a Londoner, as well. Lewisgirl? (I'm thinking of the first halfcon and those who attended.)   

       Ian the photos are great, but that "Gerhkin" thing. That has got to be the worlds ugliest object. EWWWWWwww!
blissmiss, Jul 08 2005
  

       [lewisgirl] checked in elsewhere, and [skinflaps] chimed in above.
Worldgineer, Jul 08 2005
  

       [bliss] are you being mean about our lovely big gherkin?
wagster, Jul 08 2005
  

       Yes!
blissmiss, Jul 08 2005
  

       // .. world's ugliest object .. // The Swiss Tower?   

       Nature defines its structure as one of a few architectural designs rivaling in periodicity the silica skeletal lattice of the deep sea sponges.
reensure, Jul 08 2005
  

       In a sea of rectangular concrete towers, it rises, curved and glassy, into the breeze.
wagster, Jul 08 2005
  

       We love the gherkin, here in London. Most Londoners have very positive feelings about the Swiss Re building. It's actually smaller than it manages to look, and it manages to protrude visibly from almost everywhere in London. I took some shots from immediately underneath it, looking up, just as it was nearing completion. I'll dig them out if I can find 'em among my ocean of photos all called DCsomenumberorother.
Ian Tindale, Jul 08 2005
  

       Cool building. A fact file shows all the enviofriendly features, which is great. But, I quite like the name "30 St Mary Axe" better.
daseva, Jul 08 2005
  

       I used to work at St Helen's Place (round the corner from Mary's Axe) and used to navigate using a combination of the sun and the rising Gerhkin, lovely building - I'd love to see what it's like from inside.   

       Sometimes, you get to see people cleaning the glass too.
zen_tom, Jul 08 2005
  

       love the gherkin!   

       no 2 son rang me in tears a few hours ago to enquire whether I was still alive - all very weird, why he waited so long?
po, Jul 08 2005
  

       Well, did you phone him first to tell hm otherwise?
BTW the Gherkin looks wonderful - much better than the Lloyds Building, or NatWest (Tower 42, whatever), though the roof of the Great Court of the British Museum looks fantastic from either the Eye or BT Tower, or indeed from inside the British Museum.
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Jul 08 2005
  

       Maybe he's on a dialup connection and only just found out the news.

Some friends just called from California to see if I was OK.
hippo, Jul 08 2005
  

       //Well, did you phone him first to tell hm otherwise? //yes, I should have...
po, Jul 08 2005
  

       "A Letter to the Terrorists", from London, courtesy of the London News Review (link):   

       "We're going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we're going to work. And we're going down the pub."
waugsqueke, Jul 08 2005
  

       [waugs] I was wondering about the effectiveness of taking out a full page add in the London paper inviting whoever is responsible to send in a letter to be printed one week later in the same add space explaining just exactly what the fuck it is that they want.
I went through a list of their objectives in my mind & felt that this attack would produce the exact opposite effect of achieving any objective I could think of.
Zimmy, Jul 09 2005
  

       Through and through - though the worrying sort - I have drawn strength from the outlook shared by my dear halfbaking Londoners - the song is true, then! _____   

       London calling at the top of the dial And after all this, won't you give me a smile? London Calling   

       I never felt so much ALIVE ALIVE ALIVE ALIVE
thumbwax, Jul 09 2005
  

       There is some sort of sadness, that only calamities, and/or tragic events, have the ability to bring back the bakers of lore, and of heart, so that we can "circle the wagons'.   

       Wax, blessed be.
blissmiss, Jul 09 2005
  

       thumbwax, - "'Cos I... I live by the river..." (although strictly speaking, that would apply to the citizens of a large proportion of capital cities worldwide, really).   

       UnaBubba, - the fact is, nobody really knows for certain who did it or why, at this stage. Any finger pointing remains simply speculation. There is the danger of "well he must have been the one that farted this time, he was always known for farting in the past" but until we know the facts, best hold off. There's a tendency for our minds to want to fill in the gaps and form completions, but that's not useful right now as far as the general public is concerned, until forensics and intelligence have completed their ongoing and excellent work (much of it underground).
Ian Tindale, Jul 09 2005
  

       Sorry Ian, to digress...if that friggin building is so handsome, why the nickname? And if anyone tries to tell me that a gherkin is a handomse pickle, I'll give em a papercut, and inject gherkin juice directly into it.   

       Ouch you say? Ouch I say.
blissmiss, Jul 09 2005
  

       "what's in a name? that which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet."
po, Jul 09 2005
  

       And now you're saying the thing smells good as well? I hope so!
blissmiss, Jul 09 2005
  

       Can't really explain why we all like it so much, it just endeared itself to us. Most of us over the past few years who saw the building grow up, from a small state to the present proud upstanding gleaming erection, very much felt more involved with it than watching yet another anonymous rectangular slab appear. As for the gherkin, well, we found it hard to think of anything else that it resembles. When you come over here, you'll see.
Ian Tindale, Jul 09 2005
  

       Really, it does look nice (link to pictures added).
hippo, Jul 09 2005
  

       When is it scheduled for launch?   

       Heh. Right after it's sandwich début.
blissmiss, Jul 09 2005
  

       I work "ahem, opposite the gherkin"(for now) and I've always wondred where exactly do you put the batteries in that thing... where's the speed control?   

       Hi, Bliss and all.
skinflaps, Jul 09 2005
  

       "'Cos I... I live by the river..." >< capital cities
-Ian Tindale
  

       Not just capitals - (turns around) [looking at a river right now] (turns back around) the river I'm near leads to the London Bridge...
thumbwax, Jul 09 2005
  

       I don't wanna get smutty, or nothin, but the first thing I thought of when I saw it, wasn't a pickle. It reminds me of one of those personal pleasure things, that was designed in the '60s. I believe it was even called "The Bullet", or something like that. Saw them advertised in the back of Cosmo, and other women's mags. I would search for a link, but I don't want to. (Hey skinny, so glad you are accounted for.)
blissmiss, Jul 09 2005
  

       flippin' heck, thumbwax - how did you miss the halfcon in Phoenix?
po, Jul 09 2005
  

       Bless them all. +
silverstormer, Jul 10 2005
  

       //Interesting - Vodaphone say that the overloaded mobile networks are caused by their giving priority to the emergency services. I didn't know they were able to do that.//   

       There's a system called ACCOLC (Access Overload Control) that can be invoked in these situations. Once invoked, only specialy registered mobiles will work on the network.
oneoffdave, Jul 11 2005
  

       Also rather usefully disables all mobile phone triggered devices until the transport system is evacuated.
wagster, Jul 12 2005
  

       "Minor explosions using detonators spark the evacuation of three Tube stations, a BBC reporter says" - one of them disturbingly close to where I live.
hippo, Jul 21 2005
  

       Just checking in once again. Had to walk back from near Fenchurch St to near Old Street just now. More 'incidents' have shut much of the tube network down. Doesn't sound so serious as the last lot this time though.
Ian Tindale, Jul 21 2005
  

       Well I'm looking forward to the "get home" from London Bridge to North London struggle again.My local tube station has been and will be shut for sometime. Like others, take to the bus, jump off onto the tube, get thrown off the tube due to a security alert, squeeze back onto a bus, get off and walk to work.Gotta keep your head up and just get on with it.
skinflaps, Jul 21 2005
  

       The bakery was temporarily down, atleast for me, when I first heard around 9am here. Went to ingly. I will repeat, God I hate this. Glad it was less tragic, but still must be hell.
blissmiss, Jul 21 2005
  

       "Police find 'no trace of chemical agents' so far after London blasts" - Yahoo! News.   

       Well, that's a comforting thought.   

       Yeah, the same here for me [bliss].
froglet, Jul 21 2005
  

       Does that mean there was no trace of nasty WMD type chemicals, or no trace of any explosives?   

       I'm thinking that it doesn't make sense for these guys to go to all the trouble of blowing themselves up, but forgetting to pack their explosives. I wonder if they've tried mixing their own HE, and got it wrong.
zen_tom, Jul 21 2005
  

       If anything, this is reminiscent of the sort of 'nuisance bombing' that we had to put up with when the IRA's activity was in the spotlight. It's not designed to actually harm or take life, so much as jangle the nerves and make it apparent that there's never any respite in which to relax. Or so they'd like us to think.
Ian Tindale, Jul 21 2005
  

       That's what I thought - but if it's the same bunch as last time they don't want to irritate anyone, they want to die while killing infidels. Either it isn't the Insane Islamist Roadshow or else they screwed up.
wagster, Jul 21 2005
  

       // The Insane Islamist Roadshow //   

       Sounds like some thoughtless person's 'bakery idea/ invention.
froglet, Jul 21 2005
  

       Well I'm ok, thanks for asking guys.
Mr Phase, Dec 19 2005
  

       <hastily> You ok Mr. Phase?
wagster, Dec 19 2005
  

       How the hell did this get bones?
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Dec 19 2005
  

       It's amazing reading the sequence of annotations as the day progresses, and of the goodwill of all Halfbakers. I myself was at school the whole day, and got driven home instead of taking the public transport, but all that we heard about it (in Croydon) was that there had been distruption on the tube, and we were to be further informed later.   

       Maybe the people who boned this were boning the actions of the madmen who did this.   

       As a sidenote, it is ironic that the URL of the 'We're not Afraid' website has to remove punctuation, rendering it 'Were not afraid [until now]'.
dbmag9, Dec 19 2005
  
      
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