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New Green Deal

Raise earths albedo by discounting large bags of pot
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The idea is basically to smoke as much weed as possible to create some large clouds of white smoke to reflect the sun. This future earth-saving mission will require 1 out of 10 people to volunteer to work to produce eco-friendly harvests without the use of fossil fuels or any mechanisation or artificial lighting or spending any money at all.

Why is money so important I hear you ask ?

Well the answer is simple :- in today's economy energy levers most production from solar cells, to food, to new cars, to new steel rails and locomotives. Most of the money is actually spent on energy that produces and automates production of things rather than jobs.

Every 3 dollars spent burns a gallon of fossil fuel and adds 10 kilos (20 pounds) of CO2 to the atmosphere.

Solar cells take a huge amount of energy to make, and in most locations and deployments will never make that kind of energy back i.e. *they are not green technologies*. They can make a profit, but that is purely an economic equation levered off the cheap price of fossil fuels, but most will *never* recoup the energy it costs to make them.

So is the case for most ways of spending a way out of global climate change - it will only hasten global warming due to the massive energy spend required in the short term.

There may be better ways of managing climate and albedo, possibly by paying airlines to create super big and white vapour trails to reflect the sun, or for people to stop spending money and do nothing for a living except puff out clouds of smoke.

bigsleep, Feb 14 2019

Tambora https://en.wikipedi...on_of_Mount_Tambora
Notably loud and expensive. [8th of 7, Feb 16 2019]

The Daily Mail top headline. https://www.dailyma...ines-Day-shoot.html
STOP THE PRESSES! SOMEBODY'S WEARING A RED DRESS!!!!! [doctorremulac3, Feb 16 2019]

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       //The idea is basically to smoke as much weed as possible to create some large clouds of white smoke to reflect the sun.//   

       Already making more sense than the Green New Deal.   

       //Solar cells take a huge amount of energy to make, and in most locations and deployments will never make that kind of energy back i.e. *they are not green technologies*.//   

       But look at our lovely emissions figures! Someday we can get around to doing something about naughty China.   

       //So is the case for most ways of spending a way out of global climate change - it will only hasten global warming due to the massive energy spend required in the short term.//   

       As far as I can tell, nearly every effort is minimally effective, neutral or counterproductive. It's deeply depressing to see such frequent demonstrations of catastrophically poor thinking. "Close the coal mines, great! No more nasty coal needed here." Except you need coal for steel production, so you ruin that. You need Steel for almost all manufacturing, so you ruin that. So now you're building wind farms from Chinese steel made with Chinese coal with the added fossil fuels needed to ship it halfway 'round the world. Oh, and you need extra ships. Made from more coal-derived steel. "We can save energy, let's use lightweight materials like aluminum!" Great, 10x the energy to make. Keep trying morons. It's helping, honest.
bs0u0155, Feb 15 2019
  

       //But look at our lovely emissions figures! //   

       The thought experiment I like to use is a factory power by and making solar cells. Could it create a surplus of solar panels or would it never escape decay of its power-plant ? Even without manufacture of ancillary frames / electronics, photovoltaics are mostly a non-starter in most latitudes.   

       // Great, 10x the energy to make. Keep trying morons. It's helping, honest.//   

       Exactly, its the global economy itself that is accelerating global warming - every dollar spent is more emissions. We still don't know for sure its man-made emissions to blame. So making more crap to 'curb emissions' is utter nonsense.
bigsleep, Feb 16 2019
  

       //Keep trying morons. It's helping, honest.// Well, it was quit chilly last night, so maybe it's working after all.
MaxwellBuchanan, Feb 16 2019
  

       One cold evening probably isn't statistically significant.   

       // We still don't know for sure its man-made emissions to blame. //   

       [xenzag] is sure ... it's all caused by GM crops ...   

       "Insufficient data". About ten years ago, one small and otherwise unremarkable Andean volcano emitted more CO2 in 12 days than has been saved by the Kyoto protocol. Recently, hydrothermal vents were discovered along the mid-ocean spreading ridges that are quietly releasing truly gigantic amounts of CO2 - there are no figures for just how much, but they dwarf human activity.   

       Accurate records only go back a few hundred years. Anything before that has to be inferred from ice cores and tree rings. The planet is still warming after the last ice age, and the cause of that is unknown.   

       Accumulation of observational evidence is not proof.   

       // There may be better ways of managing climate and albedo //   

       Provoking volcanoes into releasing massive amounts of dust and sulphur aerosols is the simplest. Tambora cooled the planet by at least 1C.
8th of 7, Feb 16 2019
  

       Prescribing free pot for next election day might be the best way to stop the new green deal. If the Republicans were truly with it, they'd organize to pass nationwide legalization as rapidly as possible.   

       Aren't we due for a Krakatoa type event anyway in the next 100 years or so?
theircompetitor, Feb 16 2019
  

       // Aren't we due for a Krakatoa type event anyway //   

       You aren't "due" anything, because geological processes don't behave like that. They may be to some extent stochastic, but they're part of a planetary scale interlinked chaotic* system. There's no timetable. When volcanologists manage to predict an eruption on a human timescale they achieve something totally awesome. It's the equivalent to guessing to within a microsecond when a landing aircraft's wheels will first touch the runway.   

       The aperture uncertainty for eruptions is huge on a human scale, but on a more appropriate measure they're quite reliable.   

       *In the mathematical sense.
8th of 7, Feb 16 2019
  

       When looking at a problem like global warming (tm, copyright World "Democratic" Socialist Cabal, all rights reserved) I like to make sure the cure isn't worse than the problem. If I'm told I have an imbalance of bodily humors so they'll need to cut my hands off to cure that tingling in my fingers, I'm gonna wonder if the cure isn't worse than the problem.   

       Having a centralized world government that has all power to do anything they want to anybody isn't a new idea and it's a proven very, very bad thing. These pop up from time to time with their associated genocides, death camps and mass starvation. Citing this as the solution to global warming would be great if their first plan wasn't to get rid of a proven safe clean power source, nuclear power, so we can get back to taxable carbon based fuels in order to eventually get off of carbon based fuels and make a shit ton of money in the process.   

       It's a scam. They could not care less about the environment. Fascists need a boogeyman as an excuse to exercise emergency totalitarian control over everything, "RIGHT NOW OR ELSE WE'LL ALL DIE!". Whether it's the Jews, or capitalist running dogs (I always thought that was a poorly though out insult, I think a running dog looks strong and kind of cool) or "climate deniers", there's always some reason we're supposed to bow down and relinquish all control to our self appointed overlords.   

       [+] for a novel way to bring up the subject, which is an important one to discuss I think.
doctorremulac3, Feb 16 2019
  

       I'm confused about the proper methodology progression. So if the old deal was called The New Deal, and the new deal is called The New Green Deal, what are we going to call the next one? The New New Green Deal? The New Greener Deal? The New Rainbow Deal? The Newer Deal?
theircompetitor, Feb 16 2019
  

       [doc], I'm getting you a subscription to the Daily Mail for your next birthday.
MaxwellBuchanan, Feb 16 2019
  

       April 22nd, 1961. Looking forward to it.   

       And yes, that is also “Earth Day” and no, I’m not kidding.   

       Does the Daily Mail come in a coloring book version?   

       I'll do my best to go about my day without being distracted by the bombshell news that Beyonce wore a read dress.
doctorremulac3, Feb 16 2019
  

       Oh Lord, I share a birthday with doc?   

       Earth Day, 1975. Occasionally Easter.   

       Speaking authoritatively about what someone else's motives are is sketchy at best.
RayfordSteele, Feb 17 2019
  
      
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