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What: A service that could retain a snapshot archive of one's
halfbaker's profile, to include all of their own ideas and
that they've annotated. Archive.org's wayback machine
works but it's not comprehensive or easy to search.
Why: Sometimes people choose to delete their HB
The "destroy" option is pretty drastic as it deletes the
ideas, annos, etc. But just because someone is no longer
interested in posting or hearing further comment on their
ideas, doesn't mean they wouldn't want to keep them for
It should be possible to do. The late, lamented 8th of 7
apparently kept a very detailed archive of every keystroke
entered on HB. At the very least he could gleefully catch
people out if they edited their annos in any substantial way,
What else he might have done with it is a matter of
As not everyone has access to their own Borg Cube / Sphere,
there might be a business / service opportunity.
[xenzag, Aug 23 2021]
Soup Dragon in full voice
without the Soup Dragon there would be no soup wells and the Clangers would be very hungry [xenzag, Aug 25 2021]
||Good idea. I'm not sure what to do with mine when
I reach the 1500 mark. I have considered emptying
it by deleting ten ideas at a time, like a sort of
speeded up hour glass in reverse, until it's all gone.
||[xenzag], I was thinking specifically of you when I posted
that. Despite how often we've disagreed - in both my current
manifestation and prior ones - I'd hate to lose access your
ideas. But for your own sake, wouldn't YOU miss having all
that history at hand?
||I have print outs of all my ideas, and generating
more isn't a problem. It's what I do. There are a
few extreme Trump supporters here now and I
really don't want the poison of that association and
simply not being here is an effective solution. On
other platforms like Instagram you can simply
||I save the whole website every now and then. It's
surprisingly large given that it's largely text. Still, storage is
cheap and (historically, if not currently) getting cheaper, So
when I remember, I back it up to my server.
||How large? And how do you do it?
||I'm not likely to take my marbles and go home any
but if I did I'd only want the subset of my own
ideas and any
other's upon which I had commented.
||Rem the great Ian Tindale.... he deleted his whole
account which was full of wonderful ideas. (link)
||//How large? And how do you do it? //
||Can't remember, it's in the 10's of GB maybe? I'm running one
now so I'll know tomorrow. I use HTTRack.
||Deleting an entire idea is annoying (IMHO), but deleting a whole
account is worse, due to the "swiss cheese" effect in the
annotation streams. If some-one chooses to leave, leaving their
"footprint" & just walking away would be preferable; not just
for the rest of us, but this website is a remarkable archive of
ideas & discussions (some quite prescient), & deserves to be
retained for the future.
||OK, so I mirrored the HB overnight, it's not so huge, just
~1.05GB or so. At some point I should automate this to run
every 6 months or so, but that goes on a fairly long to-do
list, just after "Learn Portuguese".
||I don't even like that it's possible to delete all of one's own posts and ideas. Information wants to be free.
||This is the only site I've ever seen where you have the choice to take your stuff and just go. Nowhere else on the internet as far as I've been able to determine allows this.
||Rather amazing actually...
||[2 fries] I agree that it is amazing - it is a privilege to be
allowed to play in Jutta's great garden of ideas.
||It is bewildering when an idea gets decimated by deleted
comments or erased completely, when there might have
been some favourite wit and wordplay there. I felt that
with the loss of [Ian Tindale] - and likewise others.
||It's easy to see it as selfish, that people "shouldn't do
that" - but we are gifted an astonishing level of freedom
here by the Creator.
||On most forums/social media etc, the moment you hit OK
you words are no longer your words - it's all just
"content", fodder for advertising algorithms, clickbait and
||This is a special place for the absence of that - like a
dappled wooded grove next to a cool stream, in contrast
to the crazy motorway pile-up that is elsewhere.
||So - to copy/archive or not. I actually like the idea. I
think in a few decades digital archaeology will be a thing,
and this site will be like a kind of rosetta stone or magna
||Agreed. For me the halfbakery was
transformational. I have always been a generator
of ideas, but many had no appropriate platform of
expression so I started bringing them here and
never stopped. I post another different stream
unto Instagram, but these are 90% visual and have
a different audience. The halfbakery deserves an
award, but I always fear that like a special unique
place, undue publicity will bring unwanted extra
attention. We are mostly troll free, and totally ad
free and long may it last. All hail to The Soup
||Other sites do allow the deletion of all your content;
for example I believe Flickr does (whereas Facebook
probably doesn't ever delete anything). I support the
ability to delete accounts here as it reinforces the
contributor's ownership of the content they've generated
even though, because this is a collaborative site, it
leaves untidy holes.
Another unique feature of the
Halfbakery is the unchanging user interface (although
I've been here long enough that when I arrived there were
still occasional tweaks being made to the UI); I can't
think of anything else on the internet that has stayed
looking the same for so long.
||Public stuff usually slowly gets deleted if no cares enough to remember.
But if some else cares, forcing the deletion of public stuff is immoral. Hiding/removing stuff just makes a person the same clay as everyone else.
||If it is public, live with it. Be proud to show the difference of the moment.
||Although, this idea could be done with a covering of Halfbakers, whom could pull an old machine from the cupboard and OS it with a cron job and a scrapper parametrized with some chosen category(s). But really should not be needed.
||Just in case, bags not Halfbakery: Other.