I was looking at one of my vinyl records and I noticed that as well as a run-out groove in the center of the record, there is also a run-in groove near the outer edge. I know that there are a few records with music in the run-out groove (early pressings of "Sgt. Pepper" come to mind), but what if a band was to put music in the run-in groove as well? You would never really be able to hear the "beginning" of the album, since wherever the needle is placed, it lands on some music.
-- Rubi, Jan 30 2004

Toldja we should have a Jokes And Novelties category!
-- phundug, Jan 30 2004


[Rubi], why?
-- k_sra, Jan 30 2004


And for something more modern, put music in Track 0 of a CD.
-- GenYus, Jan 30 2004


How about hiding some extra lyrics in the zero's of an MP3 file?
-- egbert, Jan 30 2004


But you'd hear the extra stuff when you bought the CD.
-- hippo, Jan 30 2004


Would a CD player be able to play track 0?
-- GenYus, Jan 30 2004


I think if you pressed the back button at the very beginning of the first track you can. I seem to remember a crony of mine having a CD with something on track 0...
-- andromeda, Jan 30 2004


I don't know about track zero, but I know that "Grayfolded" by John Oswald three minutes of extra music before track 1 - you have to start playing the disc and then hold down the reverse button to access it.

[k sra] no reason. I was just thinking once about all of the things that you can do with vinyl that you can't do with CDs, and this was one of a number of things that came to mind.
-- Rubi, Jan 31 2004


John Cage
-- thumbwax, Jan 31 2004


Cage did this already?
-- Rubi, Jan 31 2004


Sure, if you consider bits of 4'33" here, there and everywhere to be a bonus Cage composition on every album.

Cage's 4'33," aka as "Silence" is Cage's most notorious work - the performer sits at his instrument (piano) but plays nothing. Instead of causing sound by action, the environmental sounds produced by a typically uncomfortable audience are caused by the performer's inaction.
-- thumbwax, Jan 31 2004


I was listening to Radio 4 last week prior to a live broadcast Radio 4 performance of 4'33" and was made aware of the technological problems that the radio broadcast encounters. Not least of which is the fact that if the transmission signal/volume is low for a set length of time then a default message gets broadcast.
That would wreck the song for me!
-- gnomethang, Jan 31 2004


I've actually been part of a performance of that piece. My friend played the piano and I wrote poetry. Unfortunately, her grandfather clock started chiming three o'clock halfway through the piece.
-- Rubi, Feb 01 2004


It's the only song I can call my elf expertly proficient at.
-- RayfordSteele, Feb 01 2004


You too? We should get together and jam.
-- thumbwax, Feb 01 2004



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