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Finally the straight people, too, get to parade through town, celebrating their lifestyle and culture. Paraders are outfitted in off-the-rack fashions from Wal-Mart. Floats play spirited polkas, Muzak, hymns, etc. Mixed-gender couples are seen embracing, kissing, even exchanging marriage vows, without
fear of persecution. After the parade, everyone is invited to a city park for complimentary Pringles and Tang.
(??) Boy sues school over 'straight pride' shirt
http://www.pioneerp...mtc_docs/023997.htm
[egnor, Sep 09 2000, last modified Oct 21 2004]
UK Straight Pride Holidays
http://www.club18-30.co.uk/
The almost mthical holiday company devoted to the celebration of hetrosexuality. [Aristotle, Sep 09 2000, last modified Oct 21 2004]
Ferndale -- Marchers take part in Straight Pride parade
http://www.freep.co...noak17_20020617.htm
billed as a celebration of the heterosexual lifestyle [LoriZ, Jun 22 2002, last modified Oct 21 2004]
Mann's beer - you figure
http://www.bottledb.../beer.asp?BeerID=81
[po]
This guy's REAL proud to be "straight".
http://www.godhates...s.com/memorial.html
A good place to start your march from ;) [po, Sep 19 2002, last modified Oct 21 2004]
This guy's REAL proud to be "straight".
http://www.godhates...s.com/memorial.html
A good place to start your march from ;) [Guy Fox, Sep 22 2002, last modified Oct 05 2004]
Brighton Pride
http://www.brighton...4gokvrvj923cu2jnue0
While obstensively a "gay" event, it is in fact open to all and is as much about inclusivity & tolerance as it is about being "gay"...well, mostly...actually it is very gay. [DrBob, Feb 09 2009]
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Since when does heterosexuality imply Reader's Digest culture? |
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And the 2000 Misdirected Sarcasm Award goes to..... |
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Ironically, I am not gay. (I am trisexual---I intend to try sex one of these days.) |
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bookworm: ditto. I find this post amusing, but the culture of which Ander speaks is more non-gay than it is straight. I'm straight, but my lifestyle hardly resembles "The Game of Life." I've had many gay friends over the years, I've dabbled in enterprises such as creative writing--and one of my favorite singers is k.d. lang. Then again, maybe I'm just a lesbian trapped in a man's body....:-) |
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Maybe the logo for the parade should be a blue square (instead of a pink triangle). |
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Knock yourself out, Ander. |
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The late Jacques Morali wrote "In the Navy" after seeing a Navy ad on television, and the Navy was OK with the lyrics and permitted the use of real Navy imagery in a video clip; but that's a far cry from it actually being commissioned by them. |
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(Source for that: a Web page of a French disco expert in very poor English; complete lack of any mentioning of the "commissioned by the Navy" story on the Web otherwise, which I think would be too good to not tell. Nevertheless, whether to trust the Web or VH1 specials more is one of those choices I really don't want to make...) |
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jutta: the lyrics themselves (except maybe "Where can you find pleasure/Search the world for treasure"--and that's ambiguous) are hardly incriminating, so the Navy would have likely missed the point--unless they actually saw the Village People thrusting their pelvises to the line "They want you as a new recruit." |
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One would have assumed the Village People would have reformed and used the same background 'music' for "In The Army" 8 years ago after President Clinton declared the "Don't ask, don't tell"...why not, they pretty much had the same 'music' in all their songs. |
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Sounds good to me, why should minority groups have all the parades |
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This would probably be illegal in UK; you can have TV specials for homosexuals but not for heterosexuals, 'black' groups but not 'white' groups, Asian or AfroCaribbean programming but not WASP programming. </rant> |
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"Straight Apathy Parade", surely. |
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[PeterSealy]: You're correct, of course, but my point was that the interests of perceived 'minorities' are becoming better catered for, and protected, than those of the majority. The government has a Minister for Women, but not for men, there is a 'Black Lawyers Association' and a 'Black Police Association' (yes, really) whereas the 'White' equivalent would be banned on racist grounds. I am not suggesting that the rights of blacks should be ignored, but neither should the rights of any other group be suborned. |
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angel: A Police Association in the UK will have a majority of "white" officers. Why should that majority want to exclude the limited set of policemen they might identify as being different? It does not make sense and it's to their credit they don't want to do this. |
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[Aristotle]: I totally agree, but my point is that a white association would be regarded as racist whereas a black one apparently is not. The fact that there are more whites than blacks is irrelevant (as with the 'women' issue). In any event, are you suggesting that black police officers are defined more by their blackness than by their police-officer-ness? A <non-colour-specific> police association would not exclude anyone - a black one does. |
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Someone could join a black organisation if they wanted because we have discrimination laws against this kind of exclusion. You just have to apply, explain why you feel you are black and/or why you want to join. If you are descriminated against joining you can use the sexual or racial discrimination laws, just like anyone else can. Times have changed - boys can join the girl guides now if they choose to do so now. |
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A majority group could set itself up and it would be subject to the same rules as all other groups. However it could be like setting a right-handed group for people traumatised by left-handed corkscrews. |
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How about calling it a Straight Shame parade instead? At least, that's what I think my reaction would be to what you describe. |
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alright how about a gay -and- straight pride parade? |
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I'm gay but please let me know when the "straight parade" is scheduled - I'm there! Finally, a festival dance tent with classic rock!!? I'll march proudly in support of my straight friends, no matter how many religious zealots are there to damn them to hell. |
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In response to [Ander's] first annotation, I like the way of phrasing that I may have to adopt it, and why do I get the impression that the owner of this idea no loneger frequents this site? |
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quite a lot of (good) ideas to his name though. |
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First, I get the sarcasm and satire, fucking hilarious. I just had to put in my two cents. |
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At the early part of the 20th Century when so many immigrants were pouring into the U.S. the distinction of being "white" did not extend to those immigrants. They were dirty, poor, had accents, and were foreigners. |
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White is less an ethnicity than a term for "priveleged", "majority", or "power". Think about it. Nothing wrong with Italian, German, English, Dutch, or Irish Pride or celebrations. You celebrate being white though, and people cringe. Even "white" people cringe.
Blacks(African Americans in the USA) were stripped of their heritage and blended together to the point where it is almost impossible for them to trace their roots back to a specific area or country of Africa. So Black (or African-American) is the closest equivalent. The Terms Black and White do not have similar meanings, when you take this into consideration.
We don't have White, Straight, or WASP Pride for basically the same reasons we don't have "National Average Intelligence Day", or We Were Born With All Our Extremities And Did Not Loose Them In A Horrible Accident Parades", or "Non-Retarted People Pride". It mocks the real struggles of minorities. It's tacky. It's boastful. People have these sort of events as a way of celebrating their uniqueness as a group, not just the fact that they are different than another group. Most National Holidays and Events are geared toward, organized by, standardized with, and promote the majority---so an additional event that is specific to the celebration of the majority is redundant.
Feeling a little disenfranchised and jealous of the fact that minorities get to have Pride celebrations is nothing compared to the struggle, persecution, and oppression those groups have felt. |
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But doesn't haveing a parade for a 'minority' set up in peoples minds that they are different, and thus should rmain an oppressed minority? If we had parades for everywalk of life, people would no longer 'fear' 'minority' groups. In todays liberal society, it is your state of mind that determines what people think of you. If a 'minority' groups thinks of itself as a 'minority' and starts complaining about the majority, of course they're going to get back lash, they shouldn't think of themselves as a minority, but instead think of themselves as a member of the majority, think of themselves as simply beign human beings, simply being mann. |
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And no, thats not a spelling mistake. |
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Its also a ye-olde french word for human. It gets round all those militant feminists saying 'man' is harmful to women. |
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pc, shirley, you scottish person. |
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No, since its made up of two words, acronym style, it should be P.C., but sicne it has coem into common usage, it can now be displayed as PC |
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baked. What you describe is what happens most days down my local supermarket. |
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I'm thinking of going on a Peter Silly parade next Tuesday at about 12 noon. This is to vocalise the oppression of all people called Peter Silly. Other "funnily"-named people (eg. Dave Flatburster, Gabriel Snoonoo) can have their own parades. I am a minority. The vast majority of the world is not me, and they don't do exactly as I want. (Have I made my point yet?) |
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//In todays liberal society, it is your state of mind that determines what people think of you.// |
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Not to appear rude, but... bollocks. It is *their* state of mind that determines what people think of you. And the nice irony pointed up in this idea is the heterophobic stereotype of "straightness" that can be quite dominant in various aspects of gay culture. Likewise, there can be "feminist" stereotyping of men, "black" stereotyping of whites. It's part of the double-edged sword of any group identity... to be included, to *feel* included, people tend to adopt certain crude models of what they are or what they are against in order to conform with the group culture they want to be part of. That PC stereotyping, that antagonistic attitude to percieved "majorities" - straight, WASP, able-bodied, men, whatever - is the unfortunate consequence of a basic desire to be a part of a community. It's something that should not go unchallenged, (there's a loathful streak of misogyny that runs through gay culture, for example) and it's part of my own discomfort with the whole Gay Pride thing. |
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But that antagonistic stance *has* to be taken in the face of real persecution. We're talking about a culture where a site like godhatesfags (link) can have a picture of Matthew Shepherd, victim of a brutal homophobic murder (he was beaten to death and left crucified on a fence) burning in hell as a fucking "memorial". Compared to the savagery of that kind of hatred, the anti-PC lobby seem like kids whining because they didn't get an invite to the party. So there's a few academics spreading bullshit about "heterosexual orthodoxy" or "patriarchal establishment" or somesuch. Maybe there's a council going overboard in requiring gender-non-specific terminology here-there-and-everywhere. And there are countless ads, tv shows, whatever, that perpetuate absurd stereotypes of men as oafish brutes, etc.. But the "feminazis" aren't putting the "breeders" on trains to concentration camps. Nobody kills themselves because they can't face coming out to their parents as a "straight". Movies featuring real-life straight war heroes don't piss on their graves by portraying them as gay (recent Hollywood movie featuring Alan Turing quietly excised anything that might suggest he was gay. It's not enough that he killed himself because he was facing prosecution - after years of being treated like shit by British Intelligence as a potential "security threat". They have to insult his memory by rewriting his history so that even after his death he has to conform to their petty, ignorant, little prejudices). Straight Pride? Yeah, cause being straight is sooooo hard under this terrible PC tyranny. |
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Which is why this idea is a nice piece of ironic comment on the prejudices against "straights" or whatever you wanna call them if you really feel you have to identify folks by their sexual behaviour, (and is therefore gaining my croissant)... but not something to take seriously at all. |
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I've stayed out of this one to this point. Guy Fox tells it like it is. There is nothing quite so brutal and demeaning as the condescending/disgusted attitudes adopted by bigots in their dealings with minority groups, but particularly gays and lesbians. |
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People are people are people. I don't believe anyone should *need* to hold parades to celebrate their somethingness (in a perfect world), but certainly the act of holding a parade for this purpose is just another incidence of discrimination. |
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Isn't every parade a "straight pride" parade? |
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Whatever happened to parades to celebrate Holidays? These things arent parades, they're protests with a nicer title because protests are <i>baaad</i>. Right. I see no point. If you want to be straight and proud, we're happy for you. If you want to be gay and proud, go for it. But if you're so proud of your individual gay or straight-ness, then why do you need 100 other people around you to encourage you to show your pride? |
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i like the idea of a straight pride parade, but i dont like the idea of what goes along with straightness (the tang, walmart, etc. ) |
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Well, I hear a lot of crying from persons who think that the "gays"(an over simplified characterization) are getting the raw deal from everyone. This concept is necessary in trying to prove that you are somehow different from someone else. The truth is that there is no difference in anyone other than a silly created self image that we pull from other's ideas, not our own. "Pride," of any kind is divisive and takes our eyes away from issues of basic survival and the giant organism called "the planet." Self image is a hoax perpetuated by those who would like us to ignore the destructiveness of hoisting our TINY ideas and concepts upon others simply because we hold a notion that in a "perfect" world "people" (notice that this includes "gays" unless they are not people)should act in a certain fashion or we will destroy each other. Oh, another concept with nothing behind it but more concepts! Bottom line: Pride is a human construct with no basis in what we consider to be the "natural" world. Like sand castles next to the tide, human ideals are constantly destroyed and rebuilt differently year after year, and yet nothing changes.
HMMMMM. . . |
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I thought every day was stright pride day besides that one day.......but hey isnt that during procrastination week =) |
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I'm glad most of you realized it was a joke. Maybe I should've called it "Pride Parade for People Who Wear Fluorescent Undergarments" or "Pride Parade for People Who Visit Each Other and Sing ABBA Songs." |
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My point was, who CARES which gender someone prefers to have sex with? Do we ask our platonic friends for details about their sex lives? Do we ask them in which order they prefer to wash their body parts while bathing, or if they trim their nosehair? Why would we want to know, or consider it any of our business? |
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What matters is that one's sexual preference does NOT determine one's quality or worth as a person. So why keep making such a big, goofy, in-your-face public deal about it, especially if the goal is for it to considered normal and NOT remarkable? |
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Certainly there are still places where it's not okay to be gay---or black, or a woman, or any number of other things. So it's important to keep educating people, to keep raising awareness, understanding, tolerance. |
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But I think it's counterproductive to keep making such a circus out of it. A certain amount of that sort of thing is to be expected, for a while---but in the long run, it doesn't promote acceptance; it emphasizes differences. Enough already, IMHO. Let's just be people, shall we? |
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And please don't tell me how you manage your nosehair, either. |
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//Nothing wrong with Italian, German, English, Dutch, or Irish Pride or celebrations. You celebrate being white though, and people cringe. Even "white" people cringe. Blacks(African Americans in the USA) were stripped of their heritage and blended together to the point where it is almost impossible for them to trace their roots back to a specific area or country of Africa. So Black (or African-American) is the closest equivalent. The Terms Black and White do not have similar meanings, when you take this into consideration.// |
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That's bullshit. I'm white. I don't connect strongly with any particular cultural heritage. I suppose I could just pick one at random. I can't trace my roots back to one specific place. 100 years from now, will anybody be able to trace themselves back to one specific place? Probably not. |
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I shouldn't feel like I'm stepping on anybody's toes if I don't confine myself to some "cultural identity". |
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In so far as "the medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan), how could you hold a parade which was, among other things, against exhibitionism? Wouldn't a culturally counter-revolutionary act need a different medium? |
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I don't think this is necessarily anti-exhibitionist. |
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You're right - but I was thinking of an event local to my town, which has morphed from being a 'Gay Pride Parade' to being just a 'Pride Parade', of which the opposite would just be a 'Modesty Parade', or something like that, which would be problematic. |
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In theory, this idea is okay, but in practice you would
probably end up with *a lot* of really nasty homophobes
using it as an excuse to spread a bit of antipathy about
people who are gay/lesbian/bisexual. |
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Agreed, without trying to get controversial, I wonder if it's helpful to have 'majority' parades - whether they're based on sexuality, race or nationality - would the idea have garnered a different voting spread if it had been sold as a white pride parade? |
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Which makes me wonder whether there's an acceptability formula based on how much a given topic of any given parade is in the minority. Something like
a = (1/m)-2
Where m is the ratio of the populace that belong to the identity being paraded.
Assuming 1 in 5 of the population are non-straight, that would suggest that a gay-pride parade scores a healthy 3, while a straight-parade might score a less acceptable -0.75.
It does open up the idea that other minority parade concepts are being overlooked - for example; Burglar, Angler Pride, Matchstick Hobbyist and Halfbaker Parades might all be statistically viable. |
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