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There are two half-baked notions here. The first one is fairly short and quite simple and starts like this:
COPYRIGHT (C) 2007 By Vernon Nemitz
Intellectual Property is described here. Modern Copyright laws give great power to the Copyright holder, regarding the making of copies of Copyrighted
Intellectual Property into ANY medium. In this particular case, the author is allowing copies to be freely made into MOST media, provided the entirety of this Copyright notice/explanation is retained. However, if copies are made in the realization medium, the medium of constructed artifacts, the author MAY require a royalty payment to be made, of $10 per copy. In more detail, a copy of this engine that you make in that medium mostly by yourself and for yourself can be done for free. If you hire a "third party" to make of a copy in that medium, or if you make a copy in that medium and sell it, then the $10 royalty should be paid for that copy. (This is a small amount compared to the cost of making a copy of the engine in that medium, and the author hopes you will eventually deal with millions of them! Also, note that as time passes, while making/selling millions of copies, inflation can be expected to trivialize that royalty, by the time the Copyright expires.)
As additional logical support for some of the above statements, consider that a copyrightable document is generally supposed to be literary or artistic in nature (or even be a computer program). It is a modern thing to consider a work of engineering to be art (famous example: the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco), but documents describing aspects of the art of engineering (or describing any other art, for that matter, or even one particular work of engineering art) have been validly copyrightable for many decades. The present case is a document that describes (partly with diagrams and other variations of "artwork") the basics of how to build a gadget, which has a chance of qualifying as being "elegant", especially if it solves a problem well, that previously had not been solved well. (Even if it isn't "elegant", and is called "bad art", that piece of engineering is still qualifying as "art", heh.)
Next, suppose it is built, and the gadget without any documentation is handed over to somebody knowledgable in that field. Could we reasonably expect that person to be able to "reverse-engineer" the gadget? Doesn't reverse-engineering involve creating documentation describing how to build it? Even if there are few similarities of phrasing between the original and reverse-engineered documents, remember that that is equivalent to what can happen when text is translated to another language and back again. Copyright covers translation from the original language--the author's permission can be required. So it logically follows that copyright should be able to cover the translating of the artistry of a gadget-describing document into the realization medium, especially because that translation is reversable. In this particular case, the author's permission can generally be obtained for the low royalty/price of $10 per translated copy, in that medium, and is freely granted with respect to most other media. (If you have questions, ask! My email address is neither secret nor difficult for a search to find.)
Copyright law provides for significant penalties if a Copyright is violated, and the penalty can accumulate based on the number of violations. The author recommends that the Copyright on this particular Intellectual Property not be violated.
So, folks, the first half-baked notion here starts with a problem that modern Copyright laws have: They try to broadly cover copies made in so many different media, with more being developed all the time, that to avoid obsolescence and constant editing it is simpler for the laws to specify "any medium" than to specify a list. The suggested consequence is the idea that a Copyright may then be a better thing to have, than a Patent. Copyrights are easier and less expensive to obtain; the penalties for blatantly violating a Copyright can be about as stiff as the penalties for violating a patent, and the duration is much much longer! (In the USA that's 17 years for a Patent compared to something like 70 years after the death of the author, for a Copyright.)
Note that even if I am mistaken here about the breadth of modern Copyright law, even U.S. Patent law grants me a year after publishing an idea, to Patent it. Certainly nobody else can write a Patent application for this, partly because I'm declaring here-and-now that to do so, since it would be a translation of this document into the language of legalese, will also be a violation of this Copyright!
[NOTE added Nov 3, 2007: One of the links is "This Idea as a more ordinary Web page". A number of images having separate links on this page are embedded into that page, so you might prefer viewing the Idea in that format.]
The second notion here concerns the SPARLVE and RSE (variations on a theme, they are). Like most coined words, especially an acronym like SPARLVE, it looks ugly until you get used to it--but let me assure you it's even uglier if you can't pronounce it! (Thinking up an accurate description that made a pronounceable acronym took significant effort; the acronym is detailed in the subtitle of this Idea.) Anyway, for years I've been wanting to dream up a purely Rotary version of the Stirling Engine, one of the most energy-efficient engines ever invented. See the "Stirling Description" link. Please take some time to study that link, especially the engine diagrams, because I'm about to mention a number of things from that link, in order to show why a SPARLVE (mostly) qualifies as a Stirling (and an RSE can be exactly that).
To begin: A standard Stirling engine normally exhibits reciprocating motion of usually-two pistons, and if this can be replaced with rotary motion it would be even more energy-efficient. That is, reciprocating mechanical systems generally waste energy to make motion in one direction stop, and to start motion again in the other direction, so preventing that wastage automatically means efficiency goes up.
The two pistons of a standard Stirling engine are connected 90 degrees "out of phase" with each other. Please note that the word "phase" has a particular meaning here which is different from another meaning that was used in the subtitle, and will be explained later on. Here it refers to part of the 360 degrees of a full/normal rotation-cycle. Remember that a piston is usually connected to a "crankshaft", so that its reciprocating motion can be converted into rotary motion. One point in the cycle of a piston's motion is usually called "top dead center". At that point, a piston starting its motion for the first time MIGHT cause either clockwise or counterclockwise rotation of the crankshaft--most Stirling designs aren't picky about which way they rotate, and it can be troublesome to make one always rotate the same way when starting up. (Putting a flywheel on the crankshaft ensures it keeps rotating in the same direction, once started.) Heh, it can be troublesome even to get a Stirling started--many designs are not self-starting. Well, if one piston starts out at top dead center, and then it moves so that the crankshaft rotates 90 degrees, and now the second piston is at top dead center, this means that the second piston is 90 degrees out of phase with the first.
A SPARLVE and an RSE both feature at least two rotors, and in either engine the rotor shapes are distinctive enough that it can be easily seen that one is oriented 90 degrees out of phase with the other. (There is a variant design described later in which they are 60 degrees out of phase with each other; would that still qualify as a Stirling? Possibly so, because some variants of the Stirling engine have more than two pistons, and when the total is divisible by three, a 60-degree phase angle is not unlikely.)
In an original/standard Stirling engine, one piston is the power piston and one piston is called "the displacer". They are often different sizes to meet their specific purposes. Also, the power piston is "double-acting" --it is powered in both of the directions in which it moves. This is the main reason why the engine can work even though the two pistons are 90 degrees out of phase, instead of (like in other engine types that have two cylinders) 180 degrees out of phase. The power piston is pushed while the crankshaft rotates 180 degrees, and "pulled" (explained below) for the other 180 degrees of a complete crankshaft rotation, and the displacer is simply carried along for the ride.
The minimum two rotors in a SPARLVE --or the minimum two rotors in an RSE-- can be identical. This is workable because both rotors can act like power pistons and both can act like displacers, AND both can be double-acting. One consequence is that most variants of these engines should almost always be self-starting, and also almost always have a preferred direction of rotation.
A standard Stirling engine uses a gas (like air or hydrogen or helium) as its working fluid. The engine features a place which is always heated, and another place which is always cooled. (One of the major inefficiencies of early steam engines was that various parts of the machinery were alternately heated and cooled; in a Stirling this happens only to the working fluid; each piece of hardware stays at mostly the same temperature, which significantly helps its overall energy-efficiency). When the gas expands its volume in the hot zone, it pushes on the power piston, and when its volume contracts in the cool zone, it "pulls" on the power piston. I put that word in quotes because more accurately, a partial vacuum is created by the contracting gas, and gas in other parts of the system will act to fill that vacuum by pushing the power piston toward it. So, while it may be convenient to think that the piston gets pulled (and I will continue to use that word in quotes), it actually gets pushed in both of the directions it moves.
A SPARLVE or RSE also has an always-hot zone and an always-cool zone. An RSE, a true Rotary Stirling Engine, would use a gas as its working fluid, while a SPARLVE would use a substance that undergoes liquid-to-gas or gas-to-liquid "phase changes" (to invoke the other meaning used here, of the word "phase", regarding a state/type of existence). A possible problem is that the edge/surfaces of the rotors are alternately exposed to both the hot and the cold zones, and so at least the exposed parts of the rotors should be made of, or coated with, a thermally insulating material, to minimize temperature changes of the rotors (and to minimize energy wastage).
Each rotor of either a SPARLVE or an RSE is basically a simple disk of arbitrary thickness, with an axle through its geometric center and four particular features at the edge of the disk. Two of those features might be called "lobes", and the other two might be called "notches". Going around one rotor-disk, and starting at a lobe, then at 90-degree intervals you will encounter a notch, then another lobe, then another notch, and then you are back at the first lobe. The minimum two rotors are mounted in contact with each other so that either they are round-edge-to-round-edge, or one has a lobe fitting into a notch of the other, much like meshing gear teeth. For the moment, let's assume there are two actual gears behind-the-scenes, having 1:1 ratio, ensuring that the two rotors maintain their relative orientations accurately (the gears are not essential, as will be described later). In both a SPARLVE and an RSE, the notches must be larger than the lobes, and an RSE generally must have considerably larger notches than a SPARLVE (that's really the only required difference between the two, besides the choice of working fluid). I should state here that a variant design mentioned earlier could have six instead of four "particular features" per rotor--that's three lobes and three notches, of course (and leads to one rotor being 60 degrees out of phase with the other). Obviously it is physically possible for the rotors to have even more lobes and notches, but the "law of diminishing returns" happens to apply to implementing that. More about that below.
Now let's focus on a SPARLVE. I've created an animated .GIF to accompany this description (see link). DO NOT ASSUME THAT THE DIMENSIONS OR DIMENSION-RATIOS IN ANY OF THE IMAGES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DOCUMENT ARE THE ONLY THINGS COVERED BY THE COPYRIGHT. Many obvious variations on the theme are quite possible, besides the things just mentioned in the previous paragraph, such as smaller rotors with relatively larger lobes, or larger rotors with relatively smaller lobes. The composition of the rotors is not specified, but it is obvious that they need to be made of something that can survive while doing the work expected of them. The axles in the animation are portrayed as points; it is obvious they need to be rather more substantial than that. Even the shapes of the lobes and notches might be varied. And while the word "HEAT" indicates the hot zone, it should be obvious from the portrayed effects of gravity (in the animation), upon the liquid in this particular portrayed orientation of a SPARLVE, that the place marked "HEAT" isn't the only spot that should be heated. (So why should the place marked "COOL" be the only spot that should be cooled, eh?) The word "zone" has been used here specifically to allow its extent to be arbitrary/whatever-works. And all of THAT is part of why this Intellectual Property is broad, not narrow. Got it?
You may wish to copy the .GIF animation and open it with a well-featured image viewer, especially one which can let you enlarge the image. You can easily see the 90-degree phase angle in the relative orientation of the two rotors, and the hot zone, cool zone, and "displacement zone" are clearly marked. You can see how gas that expands in the hot zone can push on lobes of both rotors, and how gas that contracts in the cool zone can "pull" on lobes of both rotors (making both of them double-acting, as previously mentioned, for both a SPARLVE and an RSE). The key fact behind a SPARLVE is that when a substance "changes phase" from a gas to a liquid or vice-versa, there is typically a 1000:1 change in the volume of that substance (some can do better; the steam-to-water ratio is actually 1600:1). The high relative density of a liquid provides an easy way to transfer significant amounts of substance from the cool zone of a SPARLVE into the hot zone, without reciprocating motion (or special plumbing with one-way valves) being involved.
In order to maximize the percentage of fluid that changes phase in a SPARLVE, it is necessary to NOT over-heat the fluid. There is a technical thing known as "the heat of vaporization" which must be added to convert a liquid, at the boiling point, into a gas. The gas will automatically exert pressure on its surroundings, and in a SPARLVE it powers the rotors. If there is strong resistance to its expansion, then the temperature may need to be raised some to increase the gas pressure. But we don't want to over-do this, because in the cool zone of a SPARLVE, we want a significant part of that gas to condense back into the liquid state. The hotter it is above the condensation point, the more difficult that will be, to do, because we have to first cool the gas down to the condensation point and THEN also remove the "heat of condensation" (identical in magnitude to the heat of vaporization) for it to become liquid. And this has to be done rather quickly, if you want to see a fast-rotating SPARLVE.
Fortunately, we likely need only a few milliliters (cubic centimeters) of liquid in a SPARLVE (the needed quantity is directly related to the third measurement-dimension, the thickness of the engine, not shown in the animated .GIF). Most of the "working volume" of the engine, the space in which boiling/displacing/condensing happens, will be occupied by gas. Such a small amount of liquid means it can fairly easily be raised to its boiling point, allowing faster start-up of the engine, and faster boiling/condensing for faster rotor motion. This might be improved by selecting a low-boiling-point liquid that also has (compared to water) a modest heat of vaporization/condensation (ethyl alcohol, for example). Thus the total magnitude of heat energy that must be added to boil the liquid in the hot zone, and removed to condense the liquid in the cool zone, can be very reasonable. A true Stirling engine is a pure "Carnot Cycle" engine, which requires large temperature differences between the hot and cool zones to maximize power production efficiency. See the "RSE-60" link, to see the Rotary Stirling Engine design that has three lobes and notches (six "particular features) per rotor.
Six MAY be better than four, but eight is very likely not better than six. Odd numbers are not possible unless one rotor has lobes only, and one rotor has notches only, in which case such an engine may be a "more accurate translation" of the original Stirling design from reciprocating to rotary motion, with only one power rotor--a dubious "advantage", that. See the "RSE-1" link for some diagrams that show the odd number of ONE feature per rotor.
But a SPARLVE is a heat engine that does NOT pay much attention to the Carnot Cycle to get its work done. See the link to the "Ice Engine", an Idea that was posted specifically to prepare the mental landscape for the SPARLVE. Both are phase-change engines, not Carnot Cycle engines.
One thing that a Stirling engine usually has, not previously mentioned here, is an add-on gadget known as a "regenerator". It's purpose is to pre-cool the gas moving to the cool zone, absorbing heat energy in the process, and to use that energy to pre-heat the gas moving to the hot zone (becoming itself cooler in the process). A regenerator makes a major contribution to the overall energy efficiency of a Stirling engine, and therefore this design (both SPARLVE and RSE) needs to have it, or an equivalent to it. How? In preparation for that, see the "Casing" link.
To help ensure that the hot zone and the cool zone are thermally isolated, when the casing of the engine is often likely to be made of metal, it is suggested that the casing be divided into three parts: a "cool zone assembly", an "axle zone assembly" and a "hot zone assembly". I'm calling them "assemblies" here simply because that might be an easier way to make them, than, say, to cast them into the correct shapes, or to machine them out of large blocks of material. I do not rule out the notion that somebody might decide to ignore the thermal isolation issue and construct the casing in a different way altogether, hoping to get around the Copyright. Sorry, every casing is going to need certain things in common (ways for thermal and mechanical energy to get into and/or out of the engine), and THAT's covered, regardless of details of construction. Of the two most obvious outer dimensions of the engine, the two diameters of the side-by-side rotors tends to approximately specify the longest measurement (call it "length"), while the diameter of one rotor approximately specifies the next dimension (let's call it "height" here). If we divide the height into roughly thirds, then each of the casing assemblies has approximate dimensions of the whole length and that one-third height. When combined into a complete casing, thermally insulating gaskets can be used, in fulfillment of the goal of this paragraph.
The hot-zone and cool-zone assemblies need a way for thermal energy to be transported from the exterior of the casing to the working volume of the engine. The assemblies could be solid chunks of material honeycombed with passageways for appropriate fluids, such as radiator coolant for the cool zone assembly and hot gases for the hot zone assembly. Or the casings might constitute a thin shell of material surrounding the working volume of the engine, with lots of heat-conducting fins. No matter what variation of these notions is tried, for a SPARLVE we now need to remember that we need not have a huge temperature gradient, which makes adding a regenerator fairly easy. For an RSE the task is less obviously managed, but not impossible (especially if yet another variation of the design is used; more on that below).
Now see the "Regenerator-1" link, for a SPARLVE. It portrays a system in which a heat-carrying fluid is passed through the cool zone of the engine, then through a heater, then through the hot zone of the engine, then through a radiator, and then back through the cool zone. For energy-efficiency purposes, this fluid needs to have as much as possible of a special property known as "heat capacity" or "specific heat", which is the quantity of heat that must be added or removed to change its temperature by one degree. To see why we want to maximize that property, let's imagine some Quantity X of this fluid NOT passing through the cool zone assembly of the engine, but just sitting there occupying space. As the vapor inside the working region reaches the cool zone, some of its heat can be passed to the exterior fluid. It should be obvious that the higher the heat capacity of that fluid, the more heat it can absorb before we MUST replace that warmed fluid with a new batch of cool fluid, if the overall goal of the engine's cool zone is to be met. In essence, then, the higher the heat capacity of this exterior fluid, the more slowly we can pump it through the the other parts already described--and the more slowly it moves, the less energy is spent in moving it, and in overcoming friction-equivalent things like turbulence. From such simplicities do increased energy-efficiencies result.
The way that exterior fluid acts like a regenerator is somewhat subtle; it is an "indirect" regenerator that is being described here. Basically, when the fluid passes through the cool zone and picks up heat, this means that the fluid does not need to be heated so much, before it passes through the hot zone and gives off heat. Likewise, after giving off heat in the hot zone, it need not be cooled so much in the radiator, before once again passing through the cool zone. So we have replaced direct effect of a typical Stirling regenerator with the indirect effect of doing thermal regeneration in an intermediary fluid, between the actual heating and cooling parts of the engine. The main reason this was chosen has to do with the very small region in the center of the engine, where condensed liquid passes from the cool zone to the hot zone. It's just too small a region, and liquid passes through it too quickly, for any significant direct-regeneration effect to be possible there.
There is one drawback to the preceding. When first heating up the engine, rather more than a few milliliters of fluids must be warmed, since the intermediary regenerator fluid is now involved, too. It will take longer for the engine to start producing significant power.
In an RSE the situation is somewhat different, because the notches are much bigger than in a SPARLVE. Please review the "RSE-60" link showing three lobes and notches per rotor. The group of sketches there shows the variant design where one rotor is 60 degrees out of phase with the other. But it is an RSE, a Rotary Stirling Engine, where only gas is the intended working fluid. The rationale for the large notches derives directly from some of the basic facts about all Carnot Cycle engines.
First, the temperature scale that is used for the Carnot Cycle must be an "Absolute" scale, where Zero degrees is "Absolute Zero", the lowest theoretically possible temperature (that's about -273 degrees on the Celsius scale). When the properties of most gases are studied using an Absolute temperature scale, it normally is observed that if the temperature is doubled, then the volume of the gas doubles, too, if nothing interferes. If the gas is confined so that it cannot expand, then its pressure will double instead. In a Stirling engine, the gas is partly confined, so that it must exert pressure on the power piston in order to expand.
The relevant question is, "How much is the gas volume allowed to change, in a Stirling engine?" The answer to that question tells us much about what the temperature-difference should be, between the hot zone and the cool zone of the engine. If the engine allows a 3:1 volume change, then it logically figures that the hot zone should be three times the Absolute temperature of the cool zone. So if we expect the cool zone to be room temperature, which is roughly 300 degrees on the Kelvin absolute-temperature scale, then the hot zone needs to be 900 degrees Kelvin, to make the gas expand its volume three-fold. A slightly hotter temperature may be useful in getting more power out of the engine (via increased gas pressure), but a much hotter temperature is likely to actually simply be wasted energy, because the engine can't properly use the greater changes in volume that would be associated with the higher temperature.
In an RSE the cooled gas gets pushed into a notch of one rotor. Even with large notches, compared to a SPARLVE, the space available is not especially great, compared to the space that the lobes of the rotors can traverse while being "pulled" by gas contracting in the cool zone, and in turn pushing that gas into the notch. A gas-volume change of 5:1 might be expected, perhaps. If so, this means that the hot zone should have five times the Absolute temperature of the cool zone, for an RSE to be maximally energy-efficient. That could be 1500 degrees Kelvin, which is quite hot, to be sure (approximately 2250 degrees on the Fahrenheit scale).
But, how quickly can we quintuple the Absolute temperature of a gas, and cool it down again? This is crucial, if we want an RSE to have a decently fast rotation rate. If we can't do it, then we need a smaller gas volume ratio in the engine--fairly easily done by using a different lobe size, relative to the rotor diameter and notch size. On the other hand, maximum efficiency of a Carnot Cycle engine depends on maximizing the temperature difference it employs! This trade-off between what is desired and what is possible is why a number of research engines would probably have to be built, to find the best compromise that we can engineer. (Now remember that in a SPARLVE, the typical 1000:1 ratio between gas and liquid phases allows smaller notches, a not-extreme temperature difference, and a possibly easier heat-transfer situation. That's why the author of this document tends to prefer the SPARLVE design.) Fortunately for any corporation not wanting to be annoyed with royalty payments while conducting such research, a corporation is legally a person, and making research-engine translations of this document can fall under the "free if built by self for self" clause of the Copyright notice.
Anyway, a regenerator can come in handy for an RSE, indeed! So please now see the "RSE-regenerator-1" link. Again a high-heat-capacity fluid is used, but this time its function is purely as a regenerator, and there are four fluid-travel loops (for any version of an RSE where each rotor has both lobes and notches; if the engine rotors are lobes-only and notches only, then only two fluid-travel loops are needed). The regerator fluid absorbs heat from the "displace" zone of the engine, as gas is rotated from the hot zone to the cool zone. Note that in the animated SPARLVE portrayal, it can be problematic to define where the hot zone ends and the displace zone begins. We obviously don't want a regenerator removing heat from the working gas before it has finished expanding and pushing on the rotor lobes! And that's (A) partly why the regenerator for a SPARLVE was chosen to be an indirect thing, and (B) why the version of the RSE that has triplets of lobes and notches on each rotor was portrayed in the "RSE-60" sketch: It possibly allows the different zones to be better-defined.
Nevertheless, that sketch also clearly reveals that there is still a significant problem with respect to trying to transport significant quantities of heat when space (gas volume of notch) and time (inversely proportional to rotation rate) are limited. (There may even be a slightly better layout for directions of fluid flow than presented in the diagram; feel free to experiment!) Certainly the first problem is why it was mentioned in the linked sketch that yet another variation of the RSE design is likely needed, to take full advantage of a regenerator.
You may recall that near the start of all these descriptions it was mentioned that the engine would feature at least two rotors. See the "Unfinished" link for a sketch showing an initial exploration of a 3-rotor design. It was also previously mentioned that I've been thinking about Rotary Stirling Engines for a long time, and that sketch relates somewhat to the prior descriptions in this document, and to an early effort, posted at the "Yet Another Heat Engine" link a few years ago, as well as to the new design at the "3-Rotor RSE" link.
Many variations on the generic theme of the SPARLVE and RSE, as presented here, are possible. It is in the author's best interest to mention at least one example of such variation, so how about an engine in which the rotors are not all the same size, or an engine with four axles/shafts for the rotors? See the "RSE-4-2" link, which shows both at the same time.
And now we are done with Regenerator stuff. The only remaining thing to discuss is a comment made early-on about pretending that 1:1 gearing is located behind-the-scenes, to ensure that the rotors stay properly/relatively aligned--and that the gears aren't really necessary. The simple explanation begins by asking you to go back and look again at the animated .GIF. It was constructed from 18 separate images, at 10-degree intervals of rotation. Suppose we had 18 rotors on each axle of the engine, and also on each axle neighboring rotors exhibit 10-degree phase angles. It should be obvious that in the overall assembled engine, no matter what its position in the total 360 degrees of one full rotation cycle, there will always be some of the rotors having lobes in notches, effectively acting as gear teeth. (18 rotors per axle is probably excessive, in fact.) Therefore no ordinary gears are needed.
Be careful when installing all those rotors in the same overall engine case, however! Some ways of doing it will lead to engines that cannot work! That will be because a pathway will exist for the working fluid to flow without exerting pressure on any of the rotor lobes! Either the rotors (or groups of rotors) on each axle must be isolated, in terms of fluid flow, or an installation pattern that resembles a "herringbone gear" will need to be used. Those statements are best explained with some accompanying sketches; see the "Offset Rotors" link.
The next sketch is at the "Gears" link; scroll down to the gears; both helical and herringbone gears are portrayed. But since gears have far more lobes and notches than are practical for this Intellectual Property, I've taken the liberty of severely distorting and modifying the herringbone-gear sketch, to try to show what the surface of a SPARLVE or RSE rotor might look like, with a lobe and a notch separated by nearly 90 degrees (okay, I admit my sketch isn't quite up to the intended result; they're more like 60 degrees apart. So?). See the "Herringbone Rotor" link.
In conclusion, if you imagine this rotor meshing with another, contacting where that central horizontal line would cross the front of the portrayed rotor, then one lobe is meshing at the center, and another lobe is either just-beginning or just-ending its meshing at the edges (depending on rotation direction). Therefore they can mesh well enough, for an entire rotation, to eliminate synchronizing gears (and their associated cost and energy losses). Stirling Description
http://www.stirling...e=public&faq_id=1#1 An excellent description, with diagrams of the original Stirling engine. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Animated .GIF
http://www.nemitz.net/vernon/SPARLVE.GIF A SPARLVE in action. Do you see the dripping condensate? [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
RSE-60
http://www.nemitz.net/vernon/RSE-60.GIF A variant design with the rotors 60 degrees out of phase, relative to each other. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
RSE-1
http://www.nemitz.net/vernon/RSE-1.GIF A variant design with one lobe on one rotor and one notch on the other rotor. Heh, the modern extensions to Copyright Law (that made it so powerful that I'm invoking it in the first part of this Idea) are sometimes called the "Mickey Mouse Law". Any resemblance to a certain cartoon character that you might notice in this image is strictly coincidental. (Really! In terms of mass manufacturing, circles are easier to cut out than other shapes.) [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Ice Engine
Ice_20Engine An Idea previously posted here, partly to explain the power of a phase-change engine in defiance of the Carnot Cycle, and partly to prepare the way for the SPARLVE. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Casing for a SPARLVE or RSE
http://www.nemitz.net/vernon/Casing.gif This is just a basic sketch, enough to present the basic idea. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Regenerator-1
http://www.nemitz.net/vernon/Regen-1.gif A SPARLVE may require regeneration to be done indirectly, instead of directly, due to limited space and time in which it can operate. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
RSE-regenerator-1
http://www.nemitz.n...ernon/RSEregen1.gif Direct regeneration in an RSE is more possible than in a SPARLVE, but it has its own limitations. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Unfinished sketch
http://www.nemitz.n...rnon/RSE-3study.gif This is presented to show that I've thought about a LOT of variations on this theme. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Yet Another Heat Engine
Yet_20Another_20Heat_20Engine An earlier attempt along the lines of a Rotory Stirling Engine; it says so in one of the annotations. I'll be updating that Idea with the next link here, which, except for lacking all the gear teeth described there, pretty closely matches what I was describing. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
3-Rotor RSE
http://www.nemitz.n...rnon/RSEnoregen.gif No regenerator needed, as explained elsewhere. For those who have trouble understanding how it can work (and also how it applies to the "Yet Another Heat Engine"), imagine hot gas expanding from the heater into the engine, pushing on the rotors. Imagine gas contracting inside the radiator, "pulling" on the rotors. Simple. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
RSE-4-2
http://www.nemitz.n...rnon/RSE-4study.gif Not well named, this variation has 4 rotors, a 2:1 size ratio, and 2 notches on 3 of the rotors. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Offset Rotors
http://www.nemitz.n...vernon/TWOROTOR.GIF Two rotors on the same axle are portrayed. If there were a few more, it would be easy to see lobes-like-gear-teeth all the way around the circumference, SOMEWHERE. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007, last modified Nov 03 2007]
Herringbone Rotor
http://www.nemitz.n...ernon/HerrRotor.gif This sketch attempts to portray how, if the lobes and notches are spaced around the perimeter of a rotor, two such rotors can still be engaged throughout a whole rotation. [Vernon, Nov 01 2007]
Patent FR2662468
http://v3.espacenet...C&IDX=FR2662468&F=0 a modular rotary heat engine [xaviergisz, Nov 01 2007]
This Idea as a more ordinary Web page
http://www.nemitz.net/vernon/SPARLVE.htm Most of the above linked images are embedded into the page, so you don't have to go out of your way to see them. [Vernon, Nov 02 2007]
Tri-Dyne
http://www.deadbeat...iptoid/tridyne.html A purely rotary internal combustion engine, once featured in great detail in the magazine "Popular Science" (July 1969 if I recall right). [Vernon, Nov 02 2007]
DE19711084
http://v3.espacenet...&F=0&QPN=DE19711084 another rotary heat engine [xaviergisz, Nov 02 2007]
Gears
http://www.roymech....Hellical_Gears.html Sorry folks; looks like in the hurry to post all the links quickly one got confused with another, and ended up getting left out. Both helical and herringbone gears are described. Be sure you scroll down that page far enough to see them. [Vernon, Nov 03 2007]
Copyright has its limits
http://en.wikipedia...ptions_to_copyright Copyright protects the expression of the idea, not the idea itself. [david_scothern, Nov 03 2007]
Braille copies
http://en.wikipedia...t#Accessible_Copies Translation into braille does not require permission from the copyright holder. [david_scothern, Nov 03 2007]
3-D printing
http://fabathome.or...php?title=Main_Page For anyone who doesn't believe that atoms can be digital data-representation/storage, per the DMCA.. [Vernon, Nov 04 2007]
HB Lite
HB_20Lite I think I'll wait for this version [simonj, Nov 05 2007]
Some Rotary Stirling Engines
http://www.rotarystirlingengines.com/ Most of these are rather more complicated than the Ideas presented here. [Vernon, Nov 13 2007]
A 3D artwork described in words
Art_20Deco_20Telescope As mentioned in an annotation. [Vernon, Nov 14 2007]
Rotary Rocking Chair
Rotary_20Rocking_20Chair Guess who thought that one up. :) [Vernon, Nov 15 2007]
rotary positive displacement engine
http://www.google.c...AAAAEBAJ&dq=6142758 some prior art that you are building on.. [iron_horse, Nov 17 2007]
Leidenfrost effect
http://en.wikipedia.../Leidenfrost_effect [iron_horse, Nov 17 2007]
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Well good for you! I know from your other idea that you wanted a purely rotary stirling engine and, although it may take days to read all of the idea and links, it seems that's exactly what you've done. It also seems you've even gotten a Copyright to go along with it. |
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It may be a little beyond my understanding since Stirling and the like aren't exactly my forte, but this is incredible stuff. Could very well be your best work in the engine department I reckon. A 3-rotor phase changing bun for you [+]. |
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Just out of curiousity, how long did it take from the start of this whole thing to the posting here? |
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[acurafan07], this didn't take all that long to write a first draft; I'm a competent touch-typist. But all those images kept me busy for more than a month. And some of the text couldn't be properly written until after certain images were done. |
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[bigsleep], the RSE-1 sketch describes problems that it has, and solutions. If you were talking about the solutions described, and not the sketch, then I think I can agree with you. Although I tend to prefer designs in which both rotors act as power rotors and as displacers. |
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I'm afraid you can't use copyright as pseudo-patent protection. Copyright only protects the particular embodiment/form of an idea, not the idea itself. In this case your protection is only to what you have written in the written form. |
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You are correct that a written document such as this could be used as prior art to prevent someone else from patenting it. You are also correct about the grace period, although (to my knowledge) this hasn't been tested in court. See my 'ideas marketplace' post for similar ramblings. |
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I'm not a stirling engine expert so I won't comment on this idea except to say that there seems to be similar inventions on the patent databases. |
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[xaviergisz] wrote: "Copyright only protects the particular embodiment/form" |
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You seem to be missing the "translation" point, that the author's permission can be required to translate a copyrighted work. How does a physical copy not count as a translation? |
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OK, believe what you want to, but I'm telling you that there is a considerable amount of case law confirming what I have said. |
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idea comes with a free ladder |
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Great to see you're still around [Vernon]. |
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Copyright protects anyone from duplicating this post in their own writing it does not protect the idea from being produced by anyone who reads it. Under the current rules, it may provide documentary evidence of the date of this idea which would prove origination of the idea in a patent case. That is all it does. (US IP law, at least). Furthermore, somone reverse engineering a device, and creating their own documentation to do so, in no way violates the documentation of the original creator, unless they take material from the original in doing so.
And as a simple aside, it is far better to print out the idea and get it notarized with the date (cost $2-3 most states) to protect it. Mailing it to yourself in a sealed envelope also works, with the postmark providing the date, but this is less reliable. |
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Patenting is not an easy task. To the best of my knowledge it works like this. You establish prior art and get a year to file a patent (after that year the idea doesn't really belong to you anymore). You then have to make a working prototype and have an air-tight description of how it works (so that nobody can find a loop-hole and steal your idea), usually requiring a patent lawyer and thousands of dollars. The patent alone is hundreds of dollars I believe, and then you always have the cost of the prototype. |
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I used to be concerned about having my ideas stolen after I posted them, but then I realized that by the time I could be in any position to file patents, my ideas relating to internal combustion engines will likely be outdated. |
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Another note, again US IP law only, but a preliminary patent application is relatively inexpensive and simple to file. This provides concrete legal protection of the idea while you are developing the documentation and doing the prior art search required for the preliminary patent, although only for a limited period. |
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[xaviergisz], I respect case law, but since Copyright Law has been modified, to cover more media in which a copy might be made, has that been tested yet? |
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The patent you linked appears to be just a variation of a gear pump (different-shaped gears). It doesn't have the 3 rotors of the "Yet Another Heat Engine", which are important to its operation, and it doesn't have the larger-than-lobe-size deep notches, that either a SPARLVE or an RSE would have. I know of an internal-combustion-engine design that resembles a SPARLVE more than that one does (link added), but even it doesn't have its rotors all acting as power rotors. |
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[MechE], I think most patent lawyers don't recommend the mailing-to-yourself thing, although notorization is good. Here, the HalfBakery always date-marks all new posts (and mere users have no control over that), which should be good enough until I can afford more formal patent protection. |
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[acurafan07], a working prototype USED to be required for all inventions, but nowadays that rule only-and-specifically applies to perpetual-motion-machines. But you still need lots of $$ just to get a patent properly legalese-formatted. |
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Hearsay suggest strongly that online posts are generally not acceptable in court for concerns of this nature. While the date stamp is indicative, it is to easy for someone to tamper with. (Even if you personally don't have access) I would go with the notary. And for an individual to file, while not cheap, a patent with background search (which is the major legal expense) shouldn't run more than $1500-2000. The prelim is under $100 last I checked. |
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I hurt myself scrolling down to the bottom of this idea. |
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[Vernon], I think a court would ask whether the device was _primarily_ intended as a work of art, or as an engine. Given that you state that it will take time, "for the engine to start producing significant power" and cite this as a drawback, it will be classed as an engine, an invention that should be patented, not a work of art subject to copyright laws. I've no doubt that other statements made in the idea would be viewed in a similar light. |
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[MechE], I'm not surprised, but there is more than one way to validate a Web page's date. There is, for example, the "mission" of www.archive.org, which already has been involved in various legal issues, and so MUST maintain accurate dates of the data it archives. I've submitted an appropriate page to them (see the "ordinary Web page" link), as one of several relevant things to do, in dealing with the overall legalities. |
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[david scothern], consider a Review of an already-existing device (for an example, there is the Popular Science article mentioned at the "Tri-Dyne" link). Often this is a thorough description of the device, including its drawbacks, and that document, including diagrams/images, is entirely normally Copyrightable written material. Here the Review simply precedes the actual existence of the device. Why should that make a difference? Indeed, the "imagination" factor here (crucial to all works of art) is far higher than in an ordinary Review! |
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It makes a difference, in that the material is copyright, but said copyright does not protect the design. All it protects is the author's description of it, not anyone's rights over the tri-dyne engine itself. |
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[bigsleep], sorry, but I also don't at this time have the $$ to build one. |
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[david scothern], I do understand where you are coming from, but this does not seem to take into account modern changes to Copyright law, covering more media into which a copy might be made. Consider a translation of this page into sign language. What is sign language? It is a language made from SHAPES. So is Braille, in fact. Well, if Copyright law can govern the translation of a document into the shapes of sign language or Braille, why can't it govern the translation of a document into the shapes described in the document, one aspect of the language of engineers (which as previously mentioned are reverse-translatable into another document)? |
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[xaviergisz], your second link is a closer match. But that inventor went to a lot of trouble to pipe the working fluid through the rotor axles, so that it generates an action/reation/jet effect as it leaves the rotor lobes and enters the working volume of the engine. Most of the parts have complicated shapes, so manufacturing that engine on a large scale would be significantly more expensive than making the engines I have described here, where expanding gas merely pushes on the rotor lobes. |
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[bigsleep], the discussion is fine; I do say, after all and right up at the front of the Idea, that there are TWO notions presented here. That the engine will work is not likely to be argued about. Which leaves.... :) |
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[Vernon], I'll point out again that, if the patent/copyright argument hinges on whether this is a work of art or not, a judge would decide whether this was primarily intended as a work of art or as an invention. Note: Decide, not ask. Rather than argue that sign language and milled steel are equivalent, you need to research whether the invention explained here can be protected by copyright. |
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Furthermore, to take you on on your own ground, translation into braille is legal without permission from the copyright holder in both your country and mine (see link entitled "braille copies"). |
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(On another note: As you rightly judged, I think the idea seems sound - provided that effective sealing is used. I have no argument with you there!) |
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[david scothern], I agree that a judge could render a decision, and I'm sure precedent could play a large role in that decision, but part of my argument here is that recent extensions to Copyright law are in certain respects UNprecedented. And judges usually render decisions after hearing "arguments". I have more! |
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For example, let's start from way out in left field, and examine the word "sexy". The dictionary provides such definitions as "risque`", or "exuding sexual attraction", but the word is often used in a manner such that its meaning could be "encourages one to think about the sex act". By that definition, then, the sex act itself must be the very essence of "sexy". |
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Well, the logical corollary to that is, a gadget constructed from a text/diagrams description is itself the essence of its description; i.e., it is just as much a COPY of the description that was used to construct it, as it is an actual gadget. I have called it a "translation", and that is still an accurate call, because the "language" of that description, the essence of the actual gadget, is different from the original text/diagrams. Still, the gadget remains the essence of its description AND unoriginal: a copy, that is. Since Copyright law covers the making of copies, quite clearly... |
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What is the judge's logical decision? |
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Copyright doesn't mean a great deal. It doesn't protect anything that's actually functional, it's more about presentation. Different legal jurisdictions apply this in different ways, but either way anyone could (theoretically) build this Halfbakery idea and have now worries about copyright infringement. There might be an interesting discussion about content vs presentation here as this idea is presented through a website that has a particular copyright-able image. |
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Software patents and copyright are the grey area where copyright does show a relatively strong protection for IP. |
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The fact that this post exists means that the invention is in the public domain. That torpedoes any chance of a patent in most, if not all, jurisdictions too. |
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Finally - apologies to [Vernon]. I haven't actually read the engine aspect of the idea properly. I just saw "copyright" in the title and then skimmed the annos. (Which may make this comment redundant too. I'm not an expert in copyright law, but I don't think "It's art" is going to wash as a copyright defence) |
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I haven't heard of these recent extensions to copyright law. Could you elaborate? |
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One of the big conceptual differences between copyright and patents:
- copyright infringement requires proof of actual copying; whereas - patent infringement only requires that the same invention was made; even if the same invention was conceived independently (i.e. without knowledge of the other). |
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This is based on the premise that each problem has only a small number of solutions (i.e. inventions) whereas plays/songs/novels come in infinite/unbounded variety. |
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Thus it is important that there is a register of patents, and the patents on the register are assessed for validity - so a person can know if they are infringing. |
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On the other hand copyright doesn't require such a register - copying (plagarism) should be completely self-apparent. |
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[Jinbish], an invention can be public knowledge for a year before it actually by-default falls into the public domain. A patent obtained within that time will be valid. |
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[xaviergisz], the "Mickey Mouse Law" basically extended the copyright period. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act, while famous for such things as illegalizing efforts to break copy-protection, also had to extend the range of media into which copies can be made. A digital copy (a sequence of 1s and 0s) bears no physical resemblance at all to the original, yet it is considered to be equivalent to the original. Note that because of such things as encryption and data compression, there could actually be a very very large number of sequences of 1s and 0s, all of which are equivalent to the original. Then there is the physical form in which those 1s and 0s are stored, from the ancient history of Jacquard Loom through magnetic rings of early-computer "core" memory, to holography and DNA --and who knows what the future holds? So I interpret all that as basically saying that, "If you can retrieve some semblance of the original copyrighted thing from the copy, then that suffices to define the copy." The corollary is that the medium doesn't matter, and thus gadgets can qualify as copies of their descriptions. They even qualify as "digital" if you think of "atom-here=1" and "no-atom-here=0". See the "3-D printing" link. |
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Heh, I'd say that the only possible exception to the above definition of a copy, is "human memory". If you see/hear/sense something and remember it, then you have internally made a copy of it. While I'm sure various greedy copyright holders would love to charge you for having done that, there is no way the population will allow such a notion to become law. |
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Holy verbosity Batman, that's 5,500 words, that's a record Shirley. |
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I still haven't read the idea, but the diagrams and animations are great. The idea is beautifully simple and I really want it to work, but have a pessimistic gut feeling that there is some reason why it wouldn't. So far, I haven't figured out what that reason is. Also, your design is much simpler than mine and therefore I hate you :P |
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However, in all the variations of your design, power is produced 50% of the time (or more accurately, for the outtie to innie distance for each outtie, per revolution, per rotor). The design for my engine had the same problem, which I solved. That is not something I want to discuss here as I'm currently applying for patents. <rant>Having read ALL the crazy documentation involved (which makes your text look like a Haiku) I can assure you that your idea is not protected. Apply for a patent, IT'S FREE. You then have a year to complete the process and pay money, during which time you publish your idea and try to get enough interest to warrant paying the fees. |
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I'd love to post my engine related ideas on the bakery, but the ego boost is not worth the risk. Decide which you want more, kudos or investors.</rant> |
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BTW, I think your engine would need to be high speed, low load as it will be hard to seal the compartments without creating wear, so there will be some seepage. |
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Also, consider putting the copyright information in a seperate linked idea or on your own website. I'm not sure if it would be possible to cover an engine under copyright if you used it as the basis of a story involving an inventor (eg, the flux capacitor) |
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Kinda sucked the fun out with your long copyright statement, but if you're really trying to go large with this, then I can certainly understand your need for having that up front. |
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Watching your GIF, there isn't anything for the working fluid to react against on the stationary part of the motor. There's a vane on the rotor, so the fluid can push against that, but there's nothing stationary in the housing to prevent the working fluid leaking back into the cold section. I know it's a very simplified diagram, but then again... |
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Is that a detail you left out? It would be a super-simple feature - analagous to a reed valve, and perhaps nothing more sophisticated than exactly that. You'd probably want another one shortly before the meshing area where the two rotors meet, too. Or is there something about the thermodynamics that I don't understand? |
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This design is so simple, so obvious. I have half a mind (jokesters will interrupt here with "we know!") to machine one of these up out of aluminum - with the reed valve - and put it on top of the woodstove, big heatsink on top and a fan geared to the output. I've got a sneaking suspicion it would work. |
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[david scothern], regarding seals, they have their uses, but are not necessarily essential. The "Tri-Dyne" engine had NO seals. It could easily run at 12,000 RPM and it produced 4HP per cubic inch of displacement (I take that to mean it guzzled fuel, going that fast). The trick it used was very-close-tolerances on the machining. 0.004 inch gaps, at most, between the rotor and the side wall, and the rotor lobes and the outer casing. I guess the explanation is, it ran too fast for there to be time for much gaseous material to leak through those cracks. This implies, of course, that a slower-running engine might indeed need seals. Or even closer toleranaces in construction. I saw an ad the other day, somebody was looking for someone who could machine stuff within 0.0004 inches, a tenth the gap-size in the "Tri-Dyne". |
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[marklar], by word count alone, this is not a record Idea. There's one titled "12864" that's over 11,000 words. However, if all the bytes of all the images associated with this Idea are included in the count, then perhaps this takes the record. Bytes aren't words, though, so the comparison isn't simple. |
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Next, when you said you read "ALL the crazy documentation", were you talking about the annotations here that discussed the copyright situation? My starting point is that Copyright Law has been changed in recent years and made more powerful thereby. The full extent of that power hasn't been tested in court yet, so far as I know. |
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Next, I'm not certain what you meant about the engine producing power only 50% of the time, since Stirlings are double-acting, and that feature was retained here. It may be convenient to open the animated .GIF with a viewer program that can let you "play" it one frame at a time. If a rotor that has 2 lobes is oriented so one lobe is at top and the other lobe is at bottom, then one lobe is being pushed by expanding gas in the hot zone, and the other lobe is being "pulled" by contracting gas in the cool zone (with "pulled" in quotes explained in the main text). |
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Rest assured that I am pursuing more means of protection than just Copyright. Regarding kudos, it seems to me possible that if the idea is published and receives kudos, then investors would have a reason to think they wouldn't be wasting their money. |
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[elhigh], the Wankel semi-rotary engine (in production for Mazda RX-7 cars) has seals on the sides of the rotor, as well as on the edges of the rotor lobes. Making seals that could stand up to internal-combustion temperatures and pressures took a LONG time, but it is a developed technology. And these engines don't need that extreme of temperature or pressure, anyway. |
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Next, I'm not sure what you are talking about, "there isn't anything for the working fluid to react against on the stationary part of the motor". The working fluid pushes on both rotors of the animated .GIF, which rotate in opposite directions. The fact that one rotor is 90 degrees out-of-phase with the other makes no difference, to the fact that expanding gas can push against both rotors. The stationary casing merely helps define the working volume, in which gas can expand, to push on both rotors. (And in the cool zone, gas contracts, "pulling" on both rotors.) That engine should be self-starting, reliably in the same direction, no special valves needed. If the notches were enlarged and the working fluid was always a gas, so that the SPARLVE animation was instead an animation of an RSE, it should still reliably self-start in the same direction, no special valves needed (but seals might be needed, depending on the fine-ness of its construction, as described near the start of this anno). |
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Feel free to build several, if you wish. I'm only interested in a royalty if you sell those copies. |
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I would just like to anno postively about chapters 1-4 of this idea, looking foward to reading chapters 4-12 |
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[elhigh] I have access to a friend's lathe this evening. I am making 2 out of aluminium, a 2-blade and a 3-blade. I've even bought a multimeter and temperature probe. Now I'm just trying to find a blow torch for the heat source. |
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[david_scothern] I think that lubricating the cylinder with a suitably thin oil should reduce/prevent leakage. |
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[Vernon] I think that there will be a big loss in efficiency due to the thermal conductivity of the block. If my first model is moderately successful, for the second model, I'll slice the block and bond an insulator between the halves before machining. |
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This is fun, I get to play with tools again :o) |
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[marklar], I don't know if you have gotten around to reading the main text yet, but there is some stuff in there about the thermal issue you mentioned, and dealing with it. Even the rotors may need some thermal isolation, perhaps a thin layer of silicone, since they are alternately exposed to the heated and cooled zones as they rotate. Nevertheless, enjoy! Also, just because I have a chance to say this before [bigsleep] (did you see his annos?), there appears to be some interest in a video of the result. Any way of making one of the sides of your model out of plexiglas? :) |
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I can't see that the inside would look all that interesting. I'll certainly show it open and turning from external force, then show it running with something attached to the axle, like a motor used as a generator and a torch bulb. |
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I don't have a way to measure RPM and torque, can anyone think of some way to do this without buying expensive measuring equipment? |
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Also, I'm thinking of trying to find a petrol camping stove for the fuel source so I can measure fuel usage. Or I could get scales sensitive enough to measure the weight change of a gas canister. Any other suggestions? |
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If a picture is worth a thousand words, how many pictures does a Vernon idea take? |
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<smacking forehead> Criminy. Yes, of course, seals on the stationary part are unnecessary. |
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With seals, you could get by with just the one rotor, but it adds a moving part that would eventually wear out. |
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More rotor diameter = more torque. And you'd want the rotor to be as light as possible, preferably with as little heat capacity of its own as possible. |
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Okay, I'm caught up. Never mind me. |
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I was thinking that the rotor should be hollow and perhaps ceramic. That stuff F1 brake pads are made of maybe. |
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BTW, production is delayed till the weekend :o( |
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[marklar], from your description I get the impression that you might need to include 1:1 gears to ensure the two rotors stay aligned as they turn. One alternative that might be worth experimenting with, though, starts with the thin insulating layer on the rotor surface: if it is a high-friction substance like silicone, then the two rotors might simply be in contact, and friction will keep them aligned as they rotate. Can't say how long it will last, though "rolling resistance" is what's involved here, often a low wear-and-tear factor. |
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I hereby state my intention to construct and sell a heat engine which has certain conceptual similarities to the engine outlined here, that is, the heating of one region and the cooling of another will cause boiling and condensation, respectively, the resultant pressure change doing work. My heat engine will have, as its core, two rotors which will be large, hollow cylinders with walls twelve millimetres thick, made from LM-25 aluminium. |
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Six axial slots shall be equi-spaced about the circumference of each rotor. |
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Of these, three will be rectangular in cross-section, with 1.5-millimetre radii in the internal corners to facilitate manufacture and reduce stresses. These three will accommodate projecting lobes, which will be pushed outwards by springs in the bottom of each slot. Strip seals round the bottom of each will prevent gas leaking under the lobe. |
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The remaining three will be profiled to accommodate the lobes mounted on the other rotor. The lobes shall be a modified involute (gear-tooth) profile, and shall be manufactured in plastic in order to give a low stiffness and ensure load-sharing (and thus contact) along the whole face, for maximum sealing when the projecting lobe on one rotor is accommodated by the appropriate slot in the adjacent rotor. |
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Each rotor will be supported by some arrangement of bearings. In this preferred embodiment, the rotors will be supported on a roller bearing at one end and a ball bearing at the other. The machine will be operated with rotor axes vertical in normal running, in order to ensure that the ball bearing is always loaded in one axial direction and thus is not at risk of skidding and damage under any operating conditions. |
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The casing will be made from cast aluminium. The external face of the hot zone will have a black anodized finish, as it will act as the focal point of a solar concentrator. The cool zone will be provided with an inset copper block, whose external face will be milled flat and equipped with bolt-holes to allow for a water-cooled heatsink, or preferably a heat pipe suitable for dumping heat into an underground sink. |
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The point I make here is that, while the above would clearly be an infringement of a patent (should one exist), it cannot be a translation of [Vernon]'s original post. Nowhere does the original poster mention:
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- LM-25 aluminium (specific grade, to facilitate casting of a high-strength component)
- Modified involute (not just a gear tooth, but a gear tooth whose design has been tuned for maximum functionality)
- Radially moving lobes (removes the problem of tolerance stack-up between features forcing larger-than-desirable clearances between static and rotating parts)
- Strip seals between the individual lobes and their rotors, to reduce leakage under said lobes - [Vernon] nowhere suggests making the lobes separate, and thus is not faced with this problem
- Low lobe stiffness in the axial direction, for conformity and sealing
- Vertical axis, for the specific purpose of preloading bearings for maximum life
- Features to allow for use of a solar concentrator , and to allow mounting of heatpipes to dump heat to earth. |
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None of the above would invalidate the original poster's patent. However, as a translation - by definition - includes no new information (if new information is included, it is a new piece of work) - then my posting cannot be a translation of yours (nor yours of mine). It's quite obvious that I put original thought into it. As a result, I would not be in breach of copyright if I built it. |
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To put it another way, should you incorporate the ideas of anyone who posts on this, you would (by your logic) be in breach of their copyright, as you would have "translated" their idea. Equally, if anybody reviewed your machine, they would have violated your copyright, too. Copyright only protects your work as published, not the idea behind it. |
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Maybe, if you wrote down an exact and exhaustive description of every tiny feature in your design (similar to the exact and exhaustive description which is a 3-D printer's data file) you could copyright that and argue that the physical manifestation of that exact design was also protected. It would be worthless, however, because I could produce something that worked just as well, based on the same principles, but in a different implementation. Copyright doesn't generalise. |
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[david scothern], actually, Copyrights DO generalize to a limited extent. Otherwise there would be no such thing as "plagiarism". I'm not sure what % of copied text can be modified, before the author of the original text cannot claim plagiarism to have occurred, but it is definitely something greater than 0% --which means that there is indeed some generalization of that text covered by Copyright Law. |
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I ask you to think again about the emerging technology of 3D printing. The exhaustive description you talk about would obviously specify the "printing" of a particular version of the gadget, and it should be really really obvious that Copyright should be able cover the printing of 3D copies thereby. But how similar could another version be, without "plagiarism" being a valid objection to it? You can bet that this issue will end up in Court, not long after it is generally realized that 3D printing is setting Copyright Law on a collision course with Patent Law. And so I have generalized my description in the main text here, the better to ensure that all sorts of possible translations will be unable to avoid plagiarism. Heh, how well will your engine work if the two rotors have to be taken out? |
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One other thing. If you make a physical translation/copy of what I have described in the main text, and sell it, presumably you would want to make a profit from the sale. Do you have an estimated cost-of-making and selling-price? By what percentage would the sale price be affected if the $10 royalty I've requested was added? You may have written your annotation to point out a particular PRINCIPLE, but it looks to me that that principle boils down to: "The right to find a legal loophole to rip off someone who isn't trying to be greedy". How much negative publicity are you willing to put up with? |
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As I've pointed out, it's neither a translation nor a copy. It uses the same core idea, certainly, but looks nothing like the machines described here and includes a high percentage of new content (all of the engineering detail needed to make it work). Don't be threatening me with some nebulous publicity campaign - if you're serious about this idea then it needs a patent, period. |
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What I'm trying to point out is not that "I have the right to rip you off", but rather "If this idea is worth ripping off, someone will if you don't cover yourself." And as for the "not trying to be greedy", you're trying to exact royalties without bothering to pay for a patent... |
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Plagiarism is when it is recognisable as the original work, perhaps camouflaged with minor changes. My work is original - I've not copied yours in producing my text. I've read it, thought about it, extracted the idea, interpreted and contributed to it - the original thought should be glaringly obvious. |
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If you think that my additions might contribute, then you're welcome to include them in a patent with no strings attached. However, I'm retaining copyright on them. |
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Seriously - I'm not here to beat you down. You just happen to be extremely difficult to correct, even in the face of blinding common sense. Take the advice of the posters here, and patent it. |
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Just because you claim to have pointed out that what you described is "neither a translation nor a copy", that does not mean your claim is truthful. How many lawsuits in Hollywood have there been, after Person A shows a script to Person B, and Person B makes a show from a modified version of the script, without paying Person A? Copyrighted ideas, a group of new plot twists for example, have more protection than you realize. |
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Next, I was not being personal in my last annotation. While there is such a thing as "fair use", and it has been recently getting stepped on by greedy copyright holders via "DMCA takedown notices", even "fair use" has limits. You might be able to incorporate 1 paragraph of my description (equivalent, say, to 1 plot twist), without stepping across the line from "fair use" to "plagiarism". I doubt you can pick one paragraph of the main text here, and use it and ONLY its content, in making your copies of what I've described. |
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Next, the legal protections of a patent exist because of greedy people ripping off other people's ideas. It gives the little guys a chance to take on the big guys, and win. I wasn't being personal in talking about a negative publicity campaign; in this Age of the Internet, communications is a major weapon that the little guy can use, because the big guys didn't get that way without involving lots and lots of other people, most of whom are reasonably honest. Consider the case of the Sears Craftsman ratchet wrench, which had a nice new button to release a securely held socket. That button was a patented gadget, but Sears put it into production without paying the inventor, who sued. He won, true, but I wonder what Sears would have thought about a "Boycott Sears because they are thieves" campaign, as an alternative. Such a campaign could not have been easy to get started before the Internet, but today...how many big companies could afford to be up against that? And how many little companies could ever become big, if they were up against that? |
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Finally, I do not dismiss the notion of getting a patent. I'm merely pointing out here that recent changes to Copyright Law have made it more powerful--do you deny that?--and the full extent of that power has yet to be tested in court. And until I can afford a patent, Copyright is all I have, for protection, and most certainly for a year. |
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I can produce my machine without needing to copy any of your paragraphs, fully or partially. What I need is the idea, not your words. Take a look at the body of text I produced above, and show me where I have lifted it from. You can't, because I didn't. On that basis it should be obvious that I can imitate your idea without copying your words; I could quite easily have fully outlined the working principles of the machine in the same way. This leaves you vulnerable. |
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Consider an author doing research for a book. He reads an entry for, say, Barbados in Encyclopaedia Britannica, and uses the information he finds as background for a scene. Can the publisher of the encyclopaedia sue him? Of course not. Copyright covers the presentation of facts, not the facts themselves. The sky is blue in Barbados whether the E-B says it is or not (unless it's raining...). Similarly, the physical principles of your idea are valid, with or without your particular wording or recognisable modifications thereof. |
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And yes, you said what I did - patents are to stop greedy people rippin |
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