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Faraday Paint

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A Faraday Cage is basically a volume of space that (some form of electromagnetic wave) can't get into. It's like being in a room that's got such well-fitting doors that all outside light is blocked.

A Faraday Cage is like that, but for something other than light. Such as, say, radio waves. Or cell-phone signals.

I propose a special dull-gray paint that would, when painted on a surface, block all cell-phone signals that hit it. Two coats of this on the inside of a room (including the door and ceiling), and cellphones won't work in this area.

Alternately, it could be calibrated for other signals. For example, it could be used to protect the electronics of an airplane from all those high-tech gadgets the passengers have in the passenger compartment (why the airlines insist on that 15-minute shutdown on takeoff and landing).

HalfBaker, Oct 04 2007

Probably about as practical as my idea Solar_20Panel_20in_20a_20can
[normzone, Oct 04 2007]

Dunno if it's just a concept... http://gizmodo.com/...ng-paint-157991.php
...or actually exists yet. [neutrinos_shadow, Oct 04 2007]

Same basic idea: Wi-Fi Blocking paint http://www.webmonke...Wifi_Blocking_Paint
[MisterQED, Jun 16 2009]

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       I bet magnetic paint would do this. You can pick it up at the hardware store.
Galbinus_Caeli, Oct 04 2007
  

       I'm sure this has been thought of and rejected. If it were that simple, the government wouldn't use expensive copper wire mesh to protect their secret rooms.
21 Quest, Oct 04 2007
  

       This could work. A faraday cage is just a metal box; if you can get good conductivity from the walls to earth then all of the energy of the radio waves is converted to electricity and dumped. If the accepted standard is the copper cage then I'd guess it works better, but you'd get some signal blocking from this, which might or might not be enough for your purposes depending on the strength of the signal and the sensitivity of your equipment.   

       To post a counter-argument to [21Q], the steam engine has been thought of and rejected too, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work, or wouldn't be appropriate in certain niches... a biomass-based economy, perhaps.
david_scothern, Oct 05 2007
  

       Both silver and nickel-loaded paints are used for just this purpose.
AbsintheWithoutLeave, Oct 05 2007
  

       The major problem is the required seal tighness. At the highest cell phone frequencies (~2.2 GHz) the wavelength is 13.6 cm. EM radiation can penetrate this well enough that you can't have any openings longer than 1.4 cm, and this is linear openings, not diamater. Thus that tiny little crack along the door is going to let a fair amount of RF radiation through.

There may also be skin depth issues, as some frequencies will pass through to thin a layer, even if it is properly grounded, but I am less familiar with that.
MechE, Mar 25 2008
  

       Cool idea, but as for the airplane thing, making passengers shut off their devices is entirely unnecessary for all modern airplanes because they are shielded well enough anyway (as proven by the Mythbusters), but they do so anyway as a precaution, just in case theres a "perfect storm", a unaccounted-for combination of plane electronics and consumer devices that causes failure.
Spacecoyote, Mar 25 2008
  

       The bits of conductive material in the paint would have to be larger than the wavelength you're trying to stop. In the case of cell phones - as large as an inch. Not exactly the fine granules you find in your typical paint. Alternatively, you could use some liquid metal - say a mercury amalgam (think silver teeth fillings). Of course that would be hugely expensive, and would give off some rather nasty fumes. Still, I like the idea [+]
imho, Jun 16 2009
  

       Very baked, there are several companies who do this as anti-corporate spying steps. I saw it on a show about Bluetooth security on phones. If you want to do it yourself you can try copper based anti-fowling paint for boats. The paint weighs 30+lbs per gallon so I'm sure it will stop all radio waves.
MisterQED, Jun 16 2009
  

       Anti-fowling paint? I wasn't aware you could repel birds that way.
normzone, Jun 16 2009
  

       Good idea, and very well baked. Those paints run at $1000/gal. What you can do is to find a paint with the same conductivity and is much cheaper than silver, which is currently almost impossible.
xkuntay, Jun 16 2009
  

       So, presumably, cell phones only work in aircraft because of the windows?
Ling, Jun 16 2009
  

       [Ling] One minor little requirement not really mentioned above, a Faraday cage has to be grounded.
MechE, Jun 16 2009
  

       That's something I hadn't realised. Can you explain why? For example, my microwave oven is not grounded...
Ling, Jun 17 2009
  

       excess microwaves in your oven are converted into heat.
WcW, Jun 17 2009
  

       So, the one's that arent excess are sort of bouncing around? Fortunately, not many of them get out of my ungrounded faraday cage, otherwise I am sure I would have noticed.
Ling, Jun 17 2009
  

       all microwaves end up as heat sooner or later. with the door closed they all end up as heat inside the microwave somewhere.
WcW, Jun 18 2009
  
      
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