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We can video tape all we want, and we
even track them on the computer with
those little white balls, but we don't know
exactly how the athlete is using their
to their distinct advantage.
My idea is to delve into this realm of
monitoring actual muscle actuations.
will put on a tight suit laden
with sensors for each major muscle
section of the body. The body will also
tracked for movement as well as
breathing (for many sports, breathing
rhythms are very important).
The athlete can then be tracked in how
they move in relation to which muscles
they use. This would be very useful for
boxers, wrestlers, martial artists, and
other sports that require quick reflexes
that seem to come out of nowhere.
Observers can now see which muscles
athlete are tensing and which they are
relaxing. It will all be shown on a 3D
screen that shows muscle actuation on a
color scale much like we see infrared,
white being fully actuated-tensed, to
as being completely relaxed.
A pupil could then see which muscles to
tense when and which muscles to relax
I'm sure this technology can be applied
many other fields such as military for use
in controlling huge robots through
tenses, to disabled (of which are already
using a rudimentary version of this
device). It can be used to troubleshoot
student athletes by having their
performance mapped, and observed by a
professional, which can then tell him
where to improve.
Well looky here! [twitch, Mar 14 2009]
(?) Motion analysis FAQ
Some clinical stuff [VaquitaTim, Mar 20 2009]
||Nobody? Nothing? come on!
||Sounds like a very good idea, how about the motion cpature suits that are used in video games and animations? They are very similar, in fact you could create a 3d model of the "Student" and load the "correct" moves onto a life size screen. The students body is then connected to the screen and his moves mirrored. The screen would be displaying the correct move and the student has to copy it. The "muscle watching" software records the information and tells the student where he can improve his technique. Pretty soon we can all box like Ali or bend a ball like beckham!
What a training aid that would be. I imagine a screen like those used in "total recall" except with muscle overlay enabled.
Bun,bun and triple bun.
||Brilliant! But you don't need a heavy suit; Electroids attached to the skin should be able to detect the electrical signals.
||S-note, I:ll do you one beter: Attach a suit that uses electricity to externally power muscles in just the right way to mimic the athlete. Done enough times, I can hit like woods in my sleep!
||Wow... those ARE good ideas... Not only
monitoring but having the suit give you
help where your technique is off or
something of the sort. We are geniuses.
||well, for those who have practical ideas, isn't it nice to see
them created by a group of smart people...
||This idea is fully baked using the "little white balls" you speak of. Those "little white balls" (LWB) are as good as it gets. Science is trying to do better, but you people just have to rub it in, don't you. As far as I know, the only purpose of the LWB is to give the point contrast from the black background. Allowing their position to be plotted on computer. Perhaps many more LWBs affixed to the athlete would be better... I dare say it: there could be a suit with hundreds of LWB painted on it.
||Knowtion, your balls seem a little deficient. You assume
only visual tracking, when you should read the article, and
the link. My balls can measure muscle response by being in
themselves electromyographs, which is exactly the case in
the link. I only didn't know what the technology was called,
that sensed muscle tensing.
||[knowtion] is right, though I wouldn't say the idea is "fully baked". LWBs (they are usually retro-reflective, and the cameras usually have IR diodes mounted on them) are used in conjunction with EMG systems in gait laboratories around the world. Not quite in a handly slip-on fully automated suit yet (as you can see in your link !). So, it's kind of possible, and it's on the way. However, there are many issues, which mean that you'll never get a hip vs. shoulder rotation as good as Tiger's...