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Ovagami

This one is a bit cracked I'm afraid.
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Step 1. Incubate fertilized poultry egg, (ostrich will do).
Step 2. Two days before hatching de-calcify shell in mild vinegar solution.
Step 3. Apply stenciled clamp mold and surgically remove eye, beak, leg, and bottom drain holes from shell surface. This is to allow the fowl's extremities to stick out and fluid to drain out. The chick is not harmed...I like chicks.
Step 4. Allow egg shell to re-calcify over the next day in its mold.
Step 5. Release and see how long bird stays in its shell.

My Filipino coworkers brought a flat of these to work - I had to eat one to show I could - it took me a while, I couldn't look at it. http://en.wikipedia...iki/Balut_%28egg%29
[normzone, Oct 26 2010]

See 'Sheldon' from U.S. Acres, a comic strip and series: Garfield and Friends http://en.wikipedia...arfield_and_Friends
[RayfordSteele, Oct 26 2010]

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       ew, owe, oy, vay.
blissmiss, Oct 25 2010
  

       No birds would be harmed in the realisation of this idea, just their shells.   

       Bah! Loot?
normzone, Oct 25 2010
  

       Not comprehending. Removing eyes, legs, etc doesn't harm the bird? Or are you thinking something like Sheldon, from that comic strip?
RayfordSteele, Oct 25 2010
  

       Ovagami = bill fold? Yikes!, eww. Is there a purpose to this idea?
csea, Oct 26 2010
  

       Definitely not a happy meal, I'm afraid.
infidel, Oct 26 2010
  

       [RayfordSteele], I think [2fries] is suggesting making shell holes *for* the legs, eyes, etc., rather than removing them.
Spacecoyote, Oct 26 2010
  

       I'd heard of those before, [normzone], but I didn't think that they would look so... embryonic. Yechh.
DrWorm, Oct 26 2010
  

       Ah. What spacecoyote wrote.   

       Is the poster perhaps thinking of bonsai (ala "bonsai kitten") rather than origami?
jutta, Oct 26 2010
  

       hyphenation: "[...] surgically cut eye-, beak-, leg- and bottom-holes in the shell [...]"   

       Then, maybe, start a new sentence: "This is to allow the fowl's extremities to stick out and fluid to drain out."   

       OK, minding own business now.
pertinax, Oct 26 2010
  

       Crap! It *was* bonsai kitten.(which I totally fell for by the way)
I should have specified more clearly, the eggshell is the only thing sliced. Thanks [pertinax], idea edited.
  

       //Is there a purpose to this idea?//   

       Yes and no.
The comic aspect of watching a bunch of eggshells with legs running around of course, but I can't help but wonder if the chicks would think this normal and try to keep their shells as long as possible, or if they would still smash them at the first opportunity.
  

       Quite the link [norm].   

       Ah - I think I see - the object is to create a cartoon style part hatched bird, with head, legs and wings emerging from an otherwise intact eggshell - yes?
Twizz, Oct 26 2010
  

       I hypothesise that the chick will want out of the egg as soon as possible. They'll try to break the membrane, the fluid (albumen?) will flow out, and the remaining case will be like a soggy wet coat. I think that the instinct of the bird will be to cast off the casing ASAP so it can get on with growing and looking after its feathers.
Jinbish, Oct 26 2010
  

       Yes.   

       <note to self; brainfarts are not for sharing>   

       For the most part, farts get shared with others, like it or not, I've found. Brain or not brain.
blissmiss, Oct 26 2010
  

       What did it taste like, [norm]?
pocmloc, Oct 26 2010
  

       Would the egg recalcify? If it did, would the chick still have a viable skeleton?
nineteenthly, Oct 29 2010
  

       Yes an eggshell can be re-calcified, and the chicken should be fine because the whole thing would just be another way of letting it out of its shell... if it wants.   

       But the calcium has to come from somewhere. How come there's enough left over for the skeleton?
nineteenthly, Oct 29 2010
  

       Somewhere between hardboiled eggs and chicken, only much more so.
normzone, Oct 29 2010
  

       We are not on the same page [nineteenthly]...I'll be needing a few books to catch up I think.
The chicken will have gone through its entire gestation period and will have developed a strong skeleton. The vinegar would have to decalcify the shell in order to attack the bones right? So you just stop the process before it can affect the chick.
  

       Come to think of it you could get the same results by just carefully hole sawing through the shell itself.   

       When I was a much younger person, I was told that a hatching chick built up its muscles by fighting its way out of the shell. Or something like that--we were not to help a chick get out of the shell. So this idea is going to end up with a weak chick devoting its untried muscles to lugging around a heavy shell.   

       // Allow egg shell to re-calcify //   

       Um, what? How?   

       There are tools that could trepan holes in an eggshell without decalcifying it first.   

       And how do you know how the chick is oriented in the shell when you start chopping holes for it? Or is that the point of the decalcifying?
baconbrain, Oct 30 2010
  

       There are a number of things i don't know about this. One is the mass of the calcium carbonate in the eggshell compared to the mass of the skeleton. Another is where the carbonate comes from. Another is whether egg shells recalcify or whether the eggshell is secreted by the mother's reproductive system. What i'm saying is, the calcium doesn't appear from nowhere (unless you're an anthroposophist and believe in alchemy), so it has to come from inside the egg. There isn't enough calcium in the egg's environment otherwise. Are you maybe suggesting it comes from the calcium acetate in the solution around the egg? How would you get it out of solution without boiling the egg?   

       I think the egg is just going to have to stay as it is once the shell's gone. Anything else is just too complex.
nineteenthly, Oct 30 2010
  

       hmmmm
You'd know exactly how the chick is situated with bright candling, decalcification of the eggshell would increase this visibility, (though the chick might not like it).
The reason for decalcification rather than trepanning is to enable removal of the outer shell without cutting the inner sack.
The chick will have been fighting against its shell for some time and its muscles should be developed enough this close to birth.
When playing around with putting an egg into a bottle, the egg will recalcify on its own so the calcium must come from inside the egg itself, but the shell will absorb calcium externally as seen by how much faster the process happens when you add milk to the bottle, so I'm sure a way could be rigged up to help the shell recalcify before causing damage to the chicks bones.
  

       If nothing else, it will answer that age old question of whether it is really a bad thing to help them out of their shells or not.   

       //The reason for decalcification rather than trepanning is to enable removal of the outer shell without cutting the inner sack.//
What you want is a miniature oscillating saw (a miniature bone saw). That'll cut the shell & leave the underlying delicate soft membraine unharmed; that's how pathologists trepan. Or use a pituitary rongeur: that's how a neurosurgeon would do it.
  

       For information on in-ovo surgical techniques, Google "chick- quail chimera."
mouseposture, Oct 30 2010
  

       Some years ago I read of a new tool that was intended for de-clogging hardened arteries. It was a long, snakey little drill that somehow flexed and followed hard material. The writer was given a demonstration involving an egg, which might be relevant.   

       He held the egg between thumb and forefinger, and the inventor fired up the drill and poked it in under his thumb. The writer could feel it whining along his skin, but when he looked, the drill had scored neatly along the shell, leaving no punctures in either skin or membrane.   

       Which is to say that the whole decalcifying business could be avoided, and the re-calcifying magic not invoked. We have the technology.
baconbrain, Oct 30 2010
  

       //We have the technology.//
The engineering version of "Because it's there."
mouseposture, Oct 30 2010
  

       We also have some 25% vinegar and a very fine syringe to drip it out of.   

       We also have to wonder why we don't just do a scan of the egg to establish the position of the chick, then use a jeweler's saw to cut the holes as soon as the poor thing starts trying to peck out.
baconbrain, Oct 30 2010
  

       Because I had no access to those techniques, so that would have been cheating.   

       Yes, the recalcification bit is a red herring, i agree. What about keyhole surgery?
nineteenthly, Oct 31 2010
  

       You could probably tell well enough where the chick is by holding the egg up to a bright light.
Spacecoyote, Oct 31 2010
  

       That is what is meant by 'candling'.
<taps microphone>
"Is this thing on?" ; }
  

       Sorry I didn't notice that post.
Spacecoyote, Oct 31 2010
  

       Just buggin ya.
Happy halloween btw.
  

       //I can't help but wonder if the chicks would think this normal//   

       My best friend used to say this to me a lot when we were single and going out somewhere.
Boomershine, Oct 31 2010
  
      
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