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Here, Kim, Let Me Help You With That

Let the Chinese take over NK with slow, steady, economic integration
 
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In dealing with the "land of new good options," surely the sanest option is to simply let the natural economic ties between North Korea and their Chinese neighbors continue to build and modernize, until they become the main, indispensable story, and KJU and his regime become simply a sidelined figurehead with a rubber stamp.

Face is saved. War is averted, and prosperity comes.

RayfordSteele, Sep 05 2017

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       It's of considerably more advantage for the Chinese to allow the current situation to persist and develop,with them gaining power by being the only external influence on NK, and the Americans being demonstrably impotent and incompetent in their frustrated rantings and idiotic rage driven bluster. Like obedient small minded fish, America continues to leap up and awallow the bait, hook, line and sinker every time NK makes the smallest of any moves. Meanwhile, China sits back and laughs. Why should they do anything to change that?   

       Increasingly America is being exposed in the region as a tiger that keeps on roaring loudly; baring its sharp teeth, and thereby exposing its rotten gums, and bad breath.
xenzag, Sep 05 2017
  

       I think you give too little thought to the irksomeness of having an unstable and poverty-stricken nuclear neighbor sharing a border. It is not to their advantage to have NK actually pose a serious threat, it is just enough of one to keep a burr in our side.   

       I highly doubt that China likes having a bunch of US forces just a jump away from a sea and trading zone they'd like to dominate.
RayfordSteele, Sep 05 2017
  

       Apparently, China is worried about a mass exodus from North Korea in the event of the collapse of the regime.   

       Why not build a wall between China and North Korea and get the North Koreans to pay? It's such a good idea, I don't know why anyone hasn't thought of it before.
DenholmRicshaw, Sep 05 2017
  

       Oh, but they have …   

       <link>
8th of 7, Sep 05 2017
  

       Just invite KJU to a yearly 'Friends of China' conference. It would be poor form not to visit your benefactors once every so often.
bigsleep, Sep 05 2017
  

       There are sticks and then there are carrots. Laying them out on the table would show how adults work out what is best personally for the future.   

       Then again, NK leaders may just want to lessen the population for the betterment of the of themselves.
wjt, Sep 07 2017
  

       And then there are carrot sticks. Being both unfit for consumption and lousy weapon, I'm not certain what they are used for.
RayfordSteele, Sep 08 2017
  

       // Like obedient small minded fish, America continues to leap up and awallow the bait hook, line and sinker every time NK makes the smallest of any moves.//   

       Since the real objective is signing billion dollar arms deals the American elite are getting precisely what they want.
Voice, Sep 08 2017
  

       // carrot sticks. ... I'm not certain what they are used for. //   

       A form of nutritional flagellation, beloved of the health fascists.
8th of 7, Sep 08 2017
  

       Any country should be able to do nuclear research for the betterment of mankind's collective knowledge but it's when you start pointing your knowledge in the wrong direction it becomes anti-social.   

       Isn't NK on the wrong side of gun count anyway. A boy carrying a BB gun versus large group of people carrying Desert Eagles. If there are going to be casualties the stats will be against NK. The rest of the world, ultimately, could wipe North Korea off the map. It would be messy though.
wjt, Sep 08 2017
  

       Well, at least it's not in Other: General   

       But there would be some other generals in it.   

       [Voice] has followed the money, at least in the general direction. Damn, there's that word again.
normzone, Sep 08 2017
  

       The real problem is, how do you expand your country with a governing system no-one else wants. It's not not like there's vast tracks of land to plant the flag and clone your country.
wjt, Sep 08 2017
  

       Particularly if you build a wall along one if your borders ...
8th of 7, Sep 08 2017
  

       On Korea, the mistake was Eisenhour s. The Chinese would love for the US to blink and end exercises, so they've really been reluctant to reign Kim in, but even with Xis new consolidation of power, they don't want routine nuclear tests in neighborhood, and they don't want nukes in SK and Japan, which they will get it this goes much longer.
theircompetitor, Sep 08 2017
  

       //It's not not like there's vast tracks of land to plant the flag and clone your country.//   

       Wait. I see it now. Those missile tests are just a cover. The real plan is to send rocket-loads of communist colonists to Mars. Turn the red planet red. Strike up the Interplaneteriale, etc.
pertinax, Sep 09 2017
  

       Well, we all have to leave the nest at some point. Hopefully before we have fouled it up too much.   

       Little rockets all the same
There's a green one and a red one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of mechy smashy
And they all escape just the same
wjt, Sep 09 2017
  

       What is the song I'm supposed to sing that to the tune of ?
normzone, Sep 11 2017
  

       Little Boxes.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 11 2017
  

       Actually ...   

       <link>
8th of 7, Sep 11 2017
  

       You've missed your calling, [8th]. McDonalds' loss.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 11 2017
  

       You want fries with that ?   

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8th of 7, Sep 11 2017
  

       Regarding the rockets, I was thinking.   

       You know how North Korea occasionally fire off a missile out to sea, over as many other countries as they can manage?
You know how various places are trying to develop anti-missile missiles?
  

       Why don't the neighbouring countries all accomodate an anti-missile site, and just test the anti-missiles on everything that flies?
It would make it much harder for them to develop reliable missiles if every time they launched one, three or four anti-missiles converge on it as soon as it's over international waters.
  

       And we could to phone them up every now and then and shout "Pull!"
Loris, Sep 12 2017
  

       It's an attractive idea, but you really don't want to show the opposition exactly what your capabilities are until it comes to a shooting war.   

       A critical strategic ploy is to blindside your opponent with a bit of clever kit they don't know you have.
8th of 7, Sep 12 2017
  

       //It's an attractive idea, but you really don't want to show the opposition exactly what your capabilities are until it comes to a shooting war.//   

       Well, you might if you want to stop there being a shooting war. (Particularly since if it does come to that, it would help to have the system on-site, all set up and calibrated, rather than on the other side of the planet.)   

       Anyway, it's pretty simple for some of the more developed anti-missile candidates to not show, or to secretly give themselves a handicap while things look like trials.
Loris, Sep 12 2017
  

       I don't think that NK would have much of a response to our being able to hit a missile with another missile. Methinks that'll send'em back to the drawing board for quite some time, probably concentrating instead on IOT attacks against infrastructure and whatnot.
RayfordSteele, Sep 12 2017
  

       // you want to stop there being a shooting war. //   

       <baffled stare>
8th of 7, Sep 12 2017
  

       //A critical strategic ploy is to blindside your opponent with a bit of clever kit they don't know you have.// Ah, I see Sturton brought his Mark 17 round last time he visited.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 12 2017
  

       It's the last time he ever gets invited to afternoon tea and a game of croquet. Cheating is one thing, but the mess, and worst of all the smell, was indescribable; and the grass has only just started to grow back.   

       Those hoops were antique, you know.
8th of 7, Sep 12 2017
  

       You actually _invited_ him? I've never heard of that being done before.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 12 2017
  

       We did actually invite him. Yes, it was a mistake.   

       We didn't count on his amazing ability to detect and avoid pitfall traps, landmines, tripwires, and all the rest of the preparations we had made.   

       He even spotted that the doormat was made from carefully-woven det cord.   

       It's uncanny, it really is.
8th of 7, Sep 12 2017
  

       [-] Juche.
mylodon, Sep 15 2017
  

       I don't think KJU is going to last long unless he back-pedals quite a bit. You can't get air-raid sirens going off in another country without some serious backlash. If there is one country a power vacuum is preferable, its North Korea. It's begging for a Chinese governor.   

       [+] China gets NK, but the kudos goes to whoever takes out KJU first.
bigsleep, Sep 15 2017
  

       Breaking rocks out of the reach of the hot sun.   

       We do need a country to start off the asteroid mining race. There's plenty of kudos and it needs tons of juche.
wjt, Sep 16 2017
  

       Perhaps North Korea should buy Barbuda, which would solve two solutions with one problem.
Ian Tindale, Sep 17 2017
  

       // If there is one country a power vacuum is preferable, its North Korea.//   

       I think they already have power vacuums. Whenever you see footage from NK, the streets are always incredibly clean.
MaxwellBuchanan, Sep 17 2017
  

       I think China dreads the inevitable crisis that would take place once KJU were removed. Millions of essentially miseducated refugees suddenly becoming part of your country is a shock to any system. Just ask Germany.
RayfordSteele, Sep 18 2017
  
      
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