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faux-FTL news

Reporting from the Antipodes of Whayrevr, U.R.
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We're all familiar with the satellite induced delay involved in talking to a news reporter on the far side of the planet.

What if one network were able to present their news in real time - no annoying delays? The unwashed masses would probably think they had superior technology and all that crap. So, here you go. All marketing, no substance.

The gimmick is that the studio-based news presenter, who is in the same time stream with the viewer, sends a covert signal to the distant reporter. This could be a hand or posture signal if the reporter has a video back-link; a subtle sound, a particular phrase or grammatical construct - just as long as the reporter can recognize the signal.

After giving the signal, the presenter continues speaking for an amount of time equal to the time delay - but *without* providing any new content. The reporter on the far end is trusting that they can safely ignore whatever the presenter says after the signal is provided, and can go ahead - speaking over the presenter's final few seconds of speech.

The content-free section could be an intro of the reporter -"For more, here's Clark Kent of the Daily Planet - Clark?"

It could be a pointless fluffer - "We are, of course, very curious how this looks from your point of view."

It could be a restatement of the last question - "Where is all this water coming from? I mean, we're talking about Australia - there's normally no water there."

Just as long as there's four seconds that the reporter can ignore, and the public can be lulled into not realizing that they haven't been told anything in four seconds... it all works. No delay.

lurch, Feb 01 2011

Bell's theorem http://en.wikipedia...ki/Bell%27s_theorem
Quantum entanglement [8th of 7, Feb 01 2011]

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       Having an in-field reporter talk to the presenter is itself a rather pointless gimmick. I find it rather annoying - why can't the reporter just give a straight report?   

       Once they're doing that, it would be much easier to stitch together even live, lagged reports with local presenters - just let the reporters start a little early, or simply add a bit of lag to the recording of the news program itself.
Loris, Feb 01 2011
  

       <unbelievable truth>   

       The technology to do this already exists. "But why is it not used ?", you cry ...   

       [Not Widely Known To Exist]   

       Well, strange as it may seem, the news organizations have discovered through audience research that reports are actually more interesting and credible to the bulk of the audience if the quality isn't perfect. Time delays, wind noise on the mic, a bit of hand-held-camcorder home-video picture shake and occasional loss of focus helps reinforce the notion that what they're seeing is real, live, right-this-minute stuff. The expectation is that something transmitted live from very far away won't be as crisp and clear as something from a relatively local studio i.e. one on the same continent.   

       If the OB feed is too good, the audience become suspicious that it might be faked ...   

       </unbelievable truth>   

       Movies like "The Blair Witch Project" and "Paranormal Activity" exploit this phenomenon.
8th of 7, Feb 01 2011
  

       By a handy coincidence, the speed of light in glass (e.g. optical fibre) is about 200,000 km/s, while half the circumference of the earth is about 20,000 km. I'm not sure where those 4 second delays come from, but it's not just speed of light!
spidermother, Feb 01 2011
  

       There's quite a delay through the image processing system which the CIA and the Masons use to insert subliminal mind-control images and sounds into the video stream. That could be it ...
8th of 7, Feb 01 2011
  

       [spidermother] Satellite links add in some delay. Also, light seems to be slow for you - it's actually closer to 300,000 km/s. Geostationary satellites orbit at about 35,000 km so a round-trip message to a geostationary satellite could easily be 100,000 miles (if the angle is oblique) which is 1/3 of a second.
hippo, Feb 01 2011
  

       I always thought that regular phone calls were almost instantaneous, whatever the distance. Why not use a simple phone call to communicate and ignore the audio portion of video stream ?
VJW, Feb 01 2011
  

       semi-baked. The local newspaper distributed the 24/12/2010 edition on the 23rd. I checked for all serious accidents anywhere I was likely to be in the next day...amazing service.
not_morrison_rm, Feb 01 2011
  

       What i like about this is that no real information can be imparted, which is what the speed of light is partly about. Maybe there could be a quantum equivalent.
nineteenthly, Feb 01 2011
  

       // a quantum equivalent //   

       <stage whisper>   

       Bell's theorem .... <link>   

       </stage whisper>
8th of 7, Feb 01 2011
  

       Ah, i have certain issues about Bell's Theorem which nobody else seems to share.
nineteenthly, Feb 01 2011
  

       Oh bloody hell.
MaxwellBuchanan, Feb 01 2011
  

       It's OK [MB], i can't be bothered. This business of everyone else being wrong about everything all the time is quite tiring.
nineteenthly, Feb 01 2011
  

       With you there. We know a song about that...
8th of 7, Feb 01 2011
  

       //light seems to be slow for you// 200,000 km/s is the speed of light in *glass*, so it's possible to achieve a round trip time of 1/5 second using optical fibre. Do pay attention.
spidermother, Feb 01 2011
  

       Erm, there is apparently a way to send information faster than light. The polarization of magnetic fields, no particles are actually moving, so no pesky light speed constraints..at least that's my understanding of it.   

       //This business of everyone else being wrong about everything// Damn, that's my whole ethos of life out of the window.
not_morrison_rm, Feb 02 2011
  

       You can send information faster than light by simply having the information already at the destination before you start.
Ian Tindale, Feb 02 2011
  

       // no pesky light speed constraints //   

       Ditto gravity waves.
8th of 7, Feb 02 2011
  

       //i have certain issues about Bell's Theorem which nobody else seems to share//
Well, if you haven't brought enough for everyone, what can you expect?
coprocephalous, Feb 02 2011
  

       //Erm, there is apparently a way to send information faster than light.//   

       No, even in Bell inequality-violating experiments, there is no known way to send information faster than light. Whatever Alice does at her end of the experiment has no physical effect on what Bob observes at his end (even tho, yes, there are the weird correlations.)
sqeaketh the wheel, Feb 03 2011
  

       I am guessing the long delay comes from using an Internet packet switching protocol to send the video and voice. That is much slower than a circuit-switched network (which is all but obsolete). You can test this simply by simultanesouly listening to a radio broadcast on a regular radio and on a separate Internet link. The Internet one can be behind the airwaves one by up to a few second, even if the station is 1 mile from you.
sqeaketh the wheel, Feb 03 2011
  

       // there is no known way to send information faster than light //   

       "your pathetic little pedestrian species knows no way to send information faster than light.... "   

       Join Us, and learn wonderful things ...
8th of 7, Feb 03 2011
  

       //Bell's Theorem//   

       That's the one where, if I drink the entire bottle of Bell's reality seems to alter dramatically? Or at least my liver does.
not_morrison_rm, Feb 03 2011
  

       //Bell's reality// Aaach! Don't drink that!   

       //Bell's theorem// -- alright, you jokers, I said "faux-FTL news", not "FTL faux-news". We already have sources for that.
lurch, Feb 03 2011
  

       Hmm, [8th_of_7]'s anno, above, would be an example of FTL faux-news.
mouseposture, Feb 04 2011
  

       //Join Us, and learn wonderful things ...//   

       Where do I join up? Right next to the crop circle?
sqeaketh the wheel, Feb 05 2011
  

       It's a square, dummy ... We traven in a cube, when We land it the squashed shape left behind is a regular quadrilateral ...   

       Do We have to explain EVERYTHING ? Oh wait, you're humans ...
8th of 7, Feb 06 2011
  

       //We traven// sp. B. Traven.
mouseposture, Feb 06 2011
  
      
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