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economy of nice

you get 'paid' for how nice you are
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So, money is "human time" and the value of that persons time ? yes.

sand doesn't cost money - you pay for the guys to dig it out, drive it to you. (+ a whole bunch of middlemen).

So - other economies? like the carbon economy.

I think the most beneficial is the "economy of nice"

So some guy is a jerk! that costs him. (in nice-money).

You're auntie is lovely to everybody she meets - she's Loaded in nice-money.

She might be poor as a sausage in real money, but in nice- money she's loaded.

So, let's pretend the half-bakery is the Quarter bakery.

1) how do we spend this? Lets say a product relies on exploiting people - it therefor has a high nice-price. (And the workers get that). You have to have been nice to get that procuct. The opposite - lets say the workers live in a happy-ville paradise. The product cannot charge any nice- price (though it charges its' normal money-price). So - absolute Gits can have this product.

2) how do we assign nice-money?? well, the 'monkey-on- the-shoulder' idea i mentioned elsewhere. It's a computer which watches everything we do (you're going to have to get used to the idea of this - because it's coming). It decides how nice or not you were. It awards nice money.

So, let's skip the details of how Exactly this would work, or how Exactly it would be spent.

The basic idea here is that people make decisions on more than just money. That they THINK about how nice they are to other people. I believe this is important.

Hoever, if you've got any sense (in a capitalist world) you'll see all you have to do is get things for the cheapest price. Money is the only number that you have to reduce.

I believe that there Could and Should be other currencies.

The currency of Nice is just one.

I am greatly looking forward to what people say about this one.

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[edit 1] - @flyingtoaster "but if you give money you're being nice," - techically no, you're giving human-time. You could say "you dont deserve this" - and give money. They'd be upset (you weren't nice). The money is an irrelevance. Money does not equal happiness. (though the two are linked at the low-earning end)

@rcarty - "There's some pretty clumsy sociology in this post" (and some flipant linking...) though ... i agree.

@mouseposture - heretical ... "a person believing in or practicing religious heresy. • a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted." ... i did say it was quarter-baked... Though, in all seriousness. Computers allow a level of detail which was not possible before because it was "too much hassle". This can be harnessed in ways (like this) which might have quite profound implications.

@theircompetitor (i did not understand this - but this seems to be what is eluded to ...

That is, communism (whose motto is “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”) is deemed a further development or “higher stage” of socialism (whose motto is “From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds”) – communism being the more “perfect” of two systems that both advocate public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning.)

@zen_tom - i like it! The system would have too stand up to attempts at corrupting it - you're quite correct. I guess it would be down to how smart the computer watching you was.

nicholaswhitworth, Apr 11 2010

Baby or bathwater? http://www.telegrap...ll-has-capital.html
[mouseposture, Apr 11 2010]

Wikipedia: Economy of Nice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice#Economy
[rcarty, Apr 11 2010]


       //So, money is "human time" ... sand doesn't cost money - you pay for the guys to dig it out// This is the "labor theory of value," I think. <link> argues it's the baby in the Marxist bathwater.
mouseposture, Apr 11 2010

       wait... but if you give money you're being nice, but then you should be getting money, but if you'r...
FlyingToaster, Apr 11 2010

       There's some pretty clumsy sociology in this post. Cultural capital comes close to what you're describing.
rcarty, Apr 11 2010

       He's also proposing concurrent currencies, which is a bit heretical, though (I gather) taken seriously by some economists.   

       [FT]: {Checks link. Applauds}
mouseposture, Apr 11 2010

       To each, according to his deeds?
theircompetitor, Apr 11 2010

       May I ask you nicely to respond to annotations with annotations of your own, instead of @-ing in the body of the idea? It's just easier to follow the dialogue that way, I find. Thank you.
pertinax, Apr 12 2010

       I don't want the nice-police sitting on my shoulder - even in Monkey form.   

       This already exists, people who aren't nice need to have the backing of some other form of social power (money, heirarchy) to avoid being lynched or ostracised. Plus, there are some necessary jobs within a society that are not-nice - but that someone still has to do - tax collectors, policemen, security guards, traffic wardens etc.   

       Also, it seems odd that the only benefit extra-nice people get is to purchase evil products, or products made using sinister, exploitative or otherwise disreputable methods. Does that actually make sense?   

       Putting an official price on nice could potentially drive 'unniceness' underground, out of sight of the ever-watching monkeys. These underground nasty-markets prosper, a story is uncovered where organised criminals are forcing Nuns to be extra nice to generate massive nice-cash flows, allowing them to be particularly unpleasant elsewhere.   

       A new law creates the offence of NiceCrime - triggering public disturbances and civil unrest across the country by people worried about their civil liberties - everyone involved is arrested for crimes against being pleasant and are never heard of again. (Those doing the arresting are exempt from the charge of Nicecrime by a legal excemption naming certain government law-enforcement agencies) The law is quickly followed by a distribution of "The Book of Nice" wherin things that constitute being nice are officially encoded.   

       //Hoever, if you've got any sense (in a capitalist world) you'll see all you have to do is get things for the cheapest price. Money is the only number that you have to reduce.// That's just not true - what if you want to have friends, a family, or otherwise coexist with your fellow man? Money isn't going to solve those problems - and if there was such a thing as "nice currency" it still wouldn't solve or otherwise mediate those problems that exist outside of a transaction-based world.
zen_tom, Apr 12 2010

       my granny used to give me a quarter when I practiced piano without whining.
dentworth, Apr 12 2010

       economy of annotate, anyone?
Jinbish, Apr 12 2010

       I thought this would be about some scheme for a rodent-based currency - then, the better you were at breeding them, the richer you'd be.
hippo, Apr 12 2010

       In the spiritual world - being nice will get you good karma...so you're all set- no need for the money.
xandram, Apr 12 2010

       //So, let's skip the details of how Exactly this would work//   

       OK. But, on a different topic, how Exactly would this work?
MaxwellBuchanan, Apr 12 2010


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