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737 Max(imum impact)

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When searching for flights using the likes of Lastminute, there are various options that can refine the order of the results; price being the main one.

There should be an additional info field offered under the title of "Aircraft Model". This would enable passengers to decide on whether or not they wanted to risk taking to the air in one of Boeing's flying coffins (the 737 Max), or opt for a safer model such as an Airbus or even a 70 year old Dakota, if it was available.

Given the likelyhood of it dropping from the sky, with you on it of course, perhaps the Boeing 737 Max plane is the much cheaper option, so you can knowingly avail of that and take your chances, fully aware of the odds. (note - other 'adventurous' aircraft are available, such as the entire Aeroflot range)

xenzag, Jul 07 2019

Boeing 737 rudder issues https://en.m.wikipe...g_737_rudder_issues
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       Yes, I know it's the 737.
MaxwellBuchanan, Jul 07 2019
  

       I'd actually like the option to choose the aircraft type. Although that can get a little fine-grained, there are lots of general aircraft types, 737,747,757 etc. But there's a big difference between a 747-200 or 747- 800. Nevertheless, I'd like to avoid a transatlantic flight on any 757, while for a short trip I'd love to select a more interesting option. I'd also like a trip on a 747 before they're all retired.
bs0u0155, Jul 08 2019
  

       I would have thought that one's private secretary's office should be able to specify at least the model, if not the specific aircraft, when they lease the aeroplane for you.
pocmloc, Jul 08 2019
  

       The last time I flew anywhere, the only aeroplane on that route was a De Havilland Twin Otter - quite an exciting flight.
hippo, Jul 08 2019
  

       Excellent, and far safer than a dive bombing Boeing. I know someone who was once forced by circumstances to take an Aeroflot instead of her planned Pan Am flight..... the Pan Am subsequently exploded over Locherbie
xenzag, Jul 08 2019
  

       Sp. "Lockerbie".   

       [xen], do us a favour - please append "E&OE" to your idea. That will save us having to post an extremely long and detailed critique, pointing out in merciless detail all the things you've got wrong.
8th of 7, Jul 08 2019
  

       Wants to see if Concorde is still on the list
Dub, Jul 08 2019
  

       [8th], [xen] is an artist. There is no such thing as a fact.
MaxwellBuchanan, Jul 08 2019
  

       Yes, we understand that, but in this case even the fiction is wrong ...
8th of 7, Jul 08 2019
  

       Incidentally, the Intercalary says the appendectomy you did didn't work (he still has the itch), and he wants to know if he can remove the cone-collar yet? It's digging into his shoulders.
MaxwellBuchanan, Jul 08 2019
  

       //There is no such thing as a fact// They keep changing, depending on who owns them.
xenzag, Jul 08 2019
  

       <Obligatory Zero Wing reference/>   

       "All your fact are belong to us"   

       // he wants to know if he can remove the cone-collar yet? //   

       By all means; just remind him not to lick the affected area. We are puzzled that the operation hasn't worked - we watched the YouTube "How To" video twice so we consider ourselves fully qualified.   

       By the way, have you by any chance seen a Bahco 300mm adjustable spanner anywhere ? It's nearly new, and will be expensive to replace.
8th of 7, Jul 08 2019
  

       //By the way, have you by any chance seen a...// Yes, you left it in the Intercalary
MaxwellBuchanan, Jul 08 2019
  

       Interesting that the Max branding has not been damaged, as witnessed by HBO Max
theircompetitor, Jul 11 2019
  

       MaxCo is remarkably resilient, despite being the holding company for a number of internationally known and reviled organizations ...
8th of 7, Jul 11 2019
  

       An additional additional info field could be "Aircraft Model You Would Like To Land In", should one desire to take off and ride in a low-fare aircraft (perhaps one with adequate in- flight snacks as well) but land in a model having a better track record for preservation of human life.
whatrock, Jul 11 2019
  

       MaxCo is remarkably resilient, despite being the holding company for a number of internationally known and reviled organisms ...
normzone, Jul 12 2019
  

       So I'll be able to fly on a simulated plane to go on a simulated holiday?
notexactly, Jul 22 2019
  

       //Apparently Boeing did a deep dive into the failure modes of the 737 engine upgrades//   

       Did they restrict it to engines because otherwise they'd find that rudder issue they never really fixed?
bs0u0155, Jul 22 2019
  

       Shhhhh. That's not an "issue", it's a "feature" ...
8th of 7, Jul 22 2019
  

       This must be the only aircraft in aviation history that would benefit from water filled ballast tanks running the entire length of the plane, with a series of manually controlled valves to enable the weight to be shifted around, and counter the action of the computers when they go bonkers.
xenzag, Jul 22 2019
  

       Differences in cabin styles and luxuries offered on different models may also change ticket values.
Voice, Jul 22 2019
  

       [xen] That would have been in World War II, right?
Voice, Jul 22 2019
  

       //benefit from water filled ballast tanks running the entire length of the plane,//   

       you could just use fuel, a totally baked version for managing center of gravity/center of lift mismatches. It was baked on Concorde to manage the big shift in center of lift while transitioning to supersonic flight. The 737 can't do this however, because it's fuel is all in or between the wings.   

       The 737 shouldn't be certified to do what it does now. The 737 was originally <100 ft long and meant for 50-60 short haul passengers, the Max 10 would be > 50ft longer with triple the passengers flying long haul over oceans. It doesn't have the features of a long haul aircraft, it can't dump fuel, it lacks redundancy in major systems (AOA, rudder), it doesn't even have proper wheel fairings.   

       It's a little strange that the 757 isn't being made, but the older 737 was gradually being stretched into the same approx. size/role. Maybe time to build a new aircraft, if stretching no longer works, maybe a 3/5th scale 787 would have the features they need.
bs0u0155, Jul 22 2019
  

       ... but, being made mostly of plastic, burn ever so much better when the Li-ion batteries catch fire ...   

       All products go through three stages of development:   

       1. Work out how to make something that works. (Wright flyer)   

       2. Learn how to make something that works really well (Electra, C-130).   

       3. Learn how to make something that works adequately, but is cheap enough for the mass market. (7n7, Airbus, etc.).   

       Contemporary airliners have now reached Step 3.   

       Contemporary helicopters are still stuck at Step 1.
8th of 7, Jul 22 2019
  

       The Flying Coffins have just been given their license to get airborne again! I'm now thinking there should be a new oganisation that anyone who has survived a flight in a 737 can join, like The Mile High Club. It could be advertised with a suitable song, like Staying Alive by the Bee Gees.
xenzag, Nov 18 2020
  

       Intriguingly, they haven't bothered to address the same intrinsic fault in the 787's ...
8th of 7, Nov 18 2020
  

       Free 737 flights for all Trump supporters!
xenzag, Nov 18 2020
  

       //All products go through three stages of development:   

       1. Work out how to make something that works. (Wright flyer)   

       2. Learn how to make something that works really well (Electra, C-130).   

       3. Learn how to make something that works adequately, but is cheap enough for the mass market. (7n7, Airbus, etc.). //   

       Moving between #2&3 is where the magic happens, especially if the whole organization is moving in the same direction at the same time. Proper technical expertise is replaced by the dark arts of "value engineering" and the ratio of salary recipients shifts from BSc to BA as the marketing dept. expands. Worrying further developments include shipping in "leadership*" and worst of all, listening to the customers. They asked what the customers wanted, and they wanted a faster horse/bigger 737.   

       //they haven't bothered to address the same intrinsic fault in the 787's//   

       There's an MCAS issue with the 787? I thought the horizontal stab issues were a tolerance/carbon fiber problem?   

       Incidentally, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a problem over winter with stored aircraft and batteries undervolting in the cold, leading to a big change in internal resistance & capacity, exactly what you don't want in a last-resort system.   

       *self promotional narcissists who bring broad expertise from other fields/aren't tolerated in their old field.
bs0u0155, Nov 18 2020
  

       // There's an MCAS issue with the 787? //   

       Check up on "RDC stale data" and "counter rollover" and the FAA Airworthiness Directive about powerdown ...   

       That's what's in the public domain. Their are bigger, deeper, darker problems. If you truly desire a Nietzschian Abyss to stare into (be warned, it stares back) thern our email address is on our profile ...
8th of 7, Nov 18 2020
  


 

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