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Deep fake technology is used to create a virtual replica
a person from history who appears before the class on a
large TV monitor and announces "Hello, I'm a virtual
of Nickola Tesla and after a brief review of my life and
accomplishments I'll be taking questions."
has been done with real people where recordings of
several hours of questions from a group, typically a
classroom full of kids asks questions of the real person
is then recorded answering that question. The video
response is stored in a database for when that question is
asked again, at which time the recorded video of the
answer to that question is activated to play. The more
asked of the real
the more the recorded person can answer. Pretty cool.
This puts deep fake technology to work to bring people
from history back to life. The same process is used but
with an actor who's an expert on the subject. The actor
of course doesn't need to answer in real time and a list
of questions and answered could simply be recorded. The
the historical figure is then superimposed upon the actor
and the database of hours of answers is compiled so a
virtual "live chat" with a person from history could be
enjoyed by the class.
A fun objective for the class would be to ask an
interesting question that might not be in the database
triggering Nikola to say "Hmm, you know, I'm not sure, let
me look into that." making the process if increasing the
conversation database kind of fun and challenging for
both the classes and the people programming the virtual
Now if I were in charge, I'd have the virtual historical
figure well primed for dealing with smart ass questions
"So Nikola, homosayswhat?" to which Nik would smile and
say "I don't have an answer for that but if science was
we'd call it your mother.".
Deep Fake Greetings cards for Dead Celebrities
[zen_tom, Nov 18 2020]
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
[zen_tom, Nov 18 2020]
You know you need it. [8th of 7, Nov 18 2020]
Smallworld (2010) & Littlestar (2011), Dominic Green ...
Deep fake "personality analogs" used for education and entertainment [kdf, Nov 18 2020]
Smallworld, free download , Amazon UK link.
[kdf, Nov 18 2020]
Conversational AI platforms
[kdf, Nov 18 2020]
Deep fake avatars
[kdf, Nov 18 2020]
Low tech approach from an old TV show.
[doctorremulac3, Nov 22 2020]
Coincidentally, in NY Times this weekend
AI generated faces [kdf, Nov 22 2020]
The Who Was Show
A contemporary take on the idea, for kids, with a bias slightly towards answering important questions of our time, like "Which of Einstein, Ghandi and Benjamin Franklin could throw the sickest moves on the dance-floor?" We are all probably doomed. [zen_tom, Nov 22 2020]
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||Kind-of in-the-oven-but -not-actually-baked in the Holodeck scene where Data plays cards with Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein and the real Stephen Hawking (Factoid: The only real person ever to portray themselves in an episode of Star Trek) but we will award a croissant nonetheless.
||So, Donald, what really happened in the 2020 election?
||Actors in character teaching history - live* and in
recorded media - is WKTE. The idea of using deep
fake technology is not much of a stretch from
there. And for use historical figures from any time
before the advent of motion films, youre probably
better off with performers in decent costume and
makeup - as you wont have any good images to
use for a digital recreation.
* I chatted Ben Franklin several times at Greenfield
Village back in the 1970s. He told me the kite
story was completely bogus.
||It might be a cool learning tool but open to propagand-ish embellishments, and asking VR Nikola how he amplified am radio waves to power a car remotely or how he intended free wireless transmission of electricity won't get any answers.
||Hmm, now THAT is an insightful and interesting
point 2 Fries. (might want to take notes kdf, rather
than continuing your poorly thought out, cookie
cutter MFD, WKTE nonsense.) Questions would
have to take into consideration when the person
lived. So the questions you suggested would not be
answerable by an actual re-animated Tesla.
||Hmm. Maybe you just use some artistic license and
have the virtual person know about events that
have happened since theyve died. What WOULD
Tesla say about wireless internet access, something
he envisioned? The moon landing, streaming
movies, video games etc?
||And kdf, my idea would allow thousands of people
to access hundreds of historical figures and
interact with them at any time from any place.
Youre suggesting it would be better to just have
thousands of actors in makeup and ready to go on
line 24 hours a day? Its not a contest to see how
many ideas you can shoot down. Think of this
place as more friendly
cocktail party and less Spanish Inquisition.
||If someone (say, [doctorremulac3]) were to bake this, for example by creating a virtual interactive Freud, and make it available to anyone who wanted to use it (for profit or not), I would not have a problem.
||But in the context of a classroom, there is something that I'm going to call "the propaganda of the context", until I can find a better term for it, that comes into play.
||Well the creators are going to certainly have
control over what Freud or Tesla or Einstein says,
no way around that. But hopefully this would be
largely encyclopedic in its contents and useful to
teach about the person in an entertaining way.
||There was a show on to a long time ago where the
host would feature actors dressed as famous
people from history that would sit around and
discuss various subjects. Ill find a link.
||Well, hopefully doth butter no parsnips. The way I look at it, freedom to create content is a wonderful thing, but it needs to be balanced by freedom to take it or leave it. So my problem is not with your idea (go for it!), but with embedding it within an authoritarian structure and applying it to a captive audience.
||You could program these dead figures to say "Oh, and
by the way, that Dr Remulac the Third is the most,
most, most, most genius guy in the world" a-
la Kim Kardashian's dad, but with a little more Bill
& Ted's Excellent Adventure style thrown in.
||Well Im definitely not smart enough to understand
what that last anno was talking about. Got lost
the part about Kim Kardashians dad and Bill and
Teds Excellent Adventure.
||Maybe one of us had a stroke and were writing or
reading gibberish. Im feeling Ok, how you feeling?
||Links provided for what I had presumed to be both
fairly mainstream references. The first being the
recent usage of "deep fake" technology by Kanye
West (that guy who ran for president this last
year?) who made a deep fake to wish his wife happy
birthday, famously putting not very humble words
into her dead father's mouth.
||And the second reference is Bill & Ted's excellent
adventure where the eponymous duo learn about
history by use of technology allowing them to have
direct conversations with big-hitting historical
celebs. So basically this idea, but with time
travel instead of computerised mimicry.
||Context so back-filled, hopefully you'll be able to catch up and vibe
along, rather than conjour-up spurious health issues on either of our parts. Isn't it early where
you are? Maybe a big old cup of coffee is in order.
||Hmm, maybe we both had a stroke. That would
make for an interesting conversation. This is a
bucket of butter with devil horns. Theres crisp
toluene carrots on top of Bat-Rabbit,
||But stroke or not, coffee is always a good idea. I
will accept that suggestion.
||I always need at least 3 before my head-carriage
starts working on anything other than the strictest
||You clearly need medical-grade coffee <link>
// Hmm, maybe we both had a stroke. That would make for an interesting conversation. //
||Furbying... sometimes, elderly people in care homes will strike up a "conversation" which consists of a rambling sequence of almost-but-not-quite non-sequiturs which can continue for surprisingly long times and is highly amusing to those posessed of a certain bleak sense of humour and lack of respect for the unfortunate.
||//a rambling sequence of almost-but-not-quite non-
sequiturs// [marked-for-tagline] and, welcome to the
||(Could definitely do with some of that medical-grade
coffee though - equally, I'd be happy with
||Ahh, coffee. My morning reason to do the whole
getting out of bed thing. Like meth but more
acceptable if you're attending a fancy tuxedo and
||Wearing a tuxedo with a gown is rather passé ... though it can look OK if the you get the shoes and handbag right.
||Many historical figures are not considered child
friendly. But I like the idea.
||"An Evening With Vlad Tepes" is probably going to pull in a fairly narrow - if enthusiastic - audience segment ...
||Doc, as you mentioned mixing digital images over actors,
thats what I focused on first. If your main idea is an library
of interactive historic characters who can be called up on
demand - thats a different focus.
||You may have thought this up entirely on your own, but
youre not the first. As others pointed out, Star Trek and
other fictional works touched on it. Dominic Greens
"Smallworld" and "Littlestar" series uses it as a central plot
||Green develops the idea extensively. "Personality analogs
(as he calls
them) are real-time interactive programs based on real or
fictional characters, and are widely used for entertainment
education. They can run online, downloaded to your own
entertainment system, played on holographic projectors, or
installed into physical robots or even cloned humans. The
catalog includes not only historical and mythological
characters (ranging from Helen of Troy to 23rd century war
heroes) but people sometimes make personality analogs of
relatives - or even living ones - to have around for advice
||// even living ones - to have around for advice //
||As in "Oh, you should have taken that slip-road to the junction ... you'll have to go back ..." ?
||Almost. In an early chapter from the series, a young man is
travelling on an trip, and he's
a pair of earbuds. A personality analog of his father is in one
ear, and in the other he has an elder (for want of a better
word) from his home world to advise him. The folks are back
home, but he carries on real time discussions (and
with the analogs during the trip.
Edit to add ... 8th, you might enjoy this series. The first
book in the series is downloadable for free. It doesn't quite
hold together as a novel - even as a collection of linked
short stories it needed a good editor. But I think Green
started writing it as a concept for a TV series, where
continuity between episodes isn't as important.
||//Wearing a tuxedo with a gown is rather
passé ... though it can look OK if the you get the
shoes and handbag right.//
||As long as your not wearing white after Labor Day.
Kdf, something having been proposed in science fiction
doesn't constitute it being baked. If I came up with an
actual method of breaking up the atoms of a person and
re-assembling them like the transporter in Star Trek, and
actually worked, you couldn't call it baked. Likewise,
having a method of talking with historical figures
explained by "It's like, the future and stuff, like with
computers or whatever." isn't what I've proposed. This is
something that could be done today with current
technology. Note however, I of course don't watch new
Star Treks where people engage in fantasy games rather
than blowing up Klingons.
||That being said, if somebody said they've invented an
transporter that works, put a squirrel in a high tech
looking box with wires and blinking lights and it
evaporated in a puff of smoke, I'd ask to see the re-
constituted squirrel. If they said "It's around here
someplace." I'd be skeptical and would hold off investing
until the little critter was found.
||"...something having been proposed in science fiction doesn't
constitute it being baked."
-doctorremulac3, Nov 18 2020
||No sir, it doesn't. But describing something here that has
been well described in fiction elsewhere doesn't make it an
original idea. In fact, the helpfile gives that as a specific
||... call for deletion. And even if you disregard that, others
will (and have) cheerfully come along to point out the
references for you.
||After all, what are friends for...?
||To borrow money from, to get you home when you're intoxicated, and in extreme cases, help you dispose of the bodies.
||// 8th, you might enjoy this series. //
||Noted for immediate action.
||Ooh, I don't want to spoil it for you ... but let me know if the
con-man reminds you of Harry Mudd. And I
hope you enjoy the idea of a historical figure's personality
analog accidentally getting uploaded into a combat-robot,
going berserk, and killing people in varied nasty ways...
Should be right up your alley.
||//describing something here that has been well
described in fiction elsewhere doesn't make it an
||OK, you can't be that dumb. So if I invent an actual
transporter, that is, the method to take a human,
turn them into some kind of energy beam,
transport them across space and re-assemble them
you're saying it can't be patented because of prior
art of some writer saying that would be a neat
idea if somebody figured out how to do it?
FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO IT IS AN ORIGINAL IDEA!
||We had this guy once upon a time who used to
mark everything for
deletion and like you, was never right, just
obsessed with erasing people's ideas for some
reason. Finally went away thank god. Do you see
yourself as some kind of chief
judge of this place so you'll look smart? It's not
working, you're looking really dumb.
||And does it make you feel good to have somebody
go "Oh fuck, not this asshole again."? when they
see you post on their ideas? I'm just not sure what
you're hoping to accomplish.
||You haven't presented or "figured out how to do" anything new
here. If you ever offered a detailed (or even half-baked) way
to do full-up interactive teaching avatars beyond what others
are already working on - that would be really cool.
||Good, show me where somebody's taken deep fake
technology and made interactive people with it
activating a database of standardized answers to
common questions so you can have conversations
with people who don't currently exist. I won't
explain how it's done again because I've made that
clear enough that even you would understand it if
you were to read beyond the first sentence for a
||This requires a link, not a confused, rambling,
||We always do this then you run away, which is fine,
but you always come back, which is not.
||Show me where you have presented "how" to do that.
||I've made it clear in the idea but I'll dumb it down
so even you MIGHT understand.
||1- Take the already proven method of recording a
person answering questions and putting those
video clips in a database to be activated when
those questions are asked again.
Do you understand step 1? That's a yes or no.
||You mean like automated voice response systems, chatbots,
deep fake avatars? No, nobody's ever done that except for the
companies that already have. Do you have a even a half-baked
way to advance the current state of the art?
||So you won't answer the question? Do you
that I referred to it as the ALREADY PROVEN
||So when you say "It's already a proven method so
wrong about referring to an already proven
see how stupid you sound?
||OK, you won't answer direct questions, which to
your credit is probably a good idea from your
standpoint, so I'll just wrap it up by saying this is
mixing a couple of already proven methods that
achieve something that as far as I know hasn't been
accomplished a before.
||If it has, I'm sure you'll provide the link so get to
work. Somebody talking to a virtual Abe Lincoln for
instance, asking him questions, getting direct
answers and no cuts between shots because this is
a computer simulation not simply a bunch of video
clips. And it's not crappy AI, it's a real person
talking and generating all the subtle facial
expressions that go along with an actual human
communicating actual ideas with actual words.
||So let me see the link, get to work. No more
talking. Links. Go.
||Sorry doc, you lost me. Your "new" idea is to suggest an
advance on something that already exists - and those same
advances have been suggested by others and widely depicted
in fiction for years. But you haven't explained how you will
bake those advances, any more than any of those fictional
depictions do. Still not seeing anything new here.
||But if it wasn't new, all you would have had to do
put up the link of it being done, but you can't,
because it hasn't. Now you're doing that weasel
move of yours where since you can't find a link of
it being done, you try to change the allegation.
not that it's been done, it's that the parts of this
concept are already out there, though not put
together yet." You've changed my assertion to
"These parts to this are ALL new, I though of
despite my making it perfectly clear in the
description the I
referred to existing technologies and practices.
Their being put together as I've CLEARLY described
is what I'm suggesting is a new idea. A way to
achieve something that's been referred to in
science fiction that has yet to be achieved in
reality using various existing technologies put
together in this manner for the first time to
achieve this. THAT'S what's new.
||Unless it's been done before exactly as I've
described, but you would have found a link of
that chat with Aristotle by now if it had because
I know you've been furiously searching.
||So thank you for doing my research for me. That'll
be all. Dismissed.
||This is a question of whether a computational consciousness chatbot can be constructed from an encompassing biography data set, to give answers close to the target person's answers. I doubt the data set can be large enough especially the further back in time the person lived. Modern meal posting celebs might be different.
||No doubt programming these things to be useful would be
challenge. You'd basically be talking to a virtual, synthetic
expert on the person and let's face it, this would rely
heavily on the fact that nobody's actually heard Aristotle
||That being said, it might be worth trying.
||Here's a low tech approach to the idea I used to watch
sometimes when I was a kid. (link) They just use artistic
licence and a little humor to
address the stuff that happened after their time. Teddy
Rosevelt saying he thought his Mount Rushmore
representation made him look fat for instance.
||(re link) //"Which of Einstein, Ghandi and Benjamin Franklin
throw the sickest moves on the dance-floor?" We are all
||I appreciate your optimism by putting "probably" in that