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*WARNING* This is a complex design
analogy so the explaination will be
long. Read only this next paragraph
if you don't have time.
The traditional house design is
inefficient in maintainance, cost and
space management, and trying to
mimic traditional design with modern
Instead, I propose that houses be
designed like cars, with a free
flowing all-in-one design.
Houses with an internal frame of
steel, are cheaper than wood and will
continue to be cheaper as population
grows. They are also more sturdy.
The design of the House Like A Car
(HLAC) would be more aerodynamic
allowing it to stand up to stresses
like high winds better. Roof would
be made of the same material as the
rest of the shell. Instead of
repainting, you get touch up spray on
polish and it looks like new again.
Windows doors have ways of
channeling water around them, while
the rest of the house shakes off
water with its aerodynamic design.
No, more gutter cleaning, just spray
off with a hose or hire a power
The interior will have built in tables,
couches and bed frames. Every
space that isn't structural or
insulation will be utilized for space
management or storage. Most of the
stuff in the house comes with it, so
moving or decorating is really easy.
Houses snap into cement basements
and can also be carried by
Expansions, fit with the house design
and interior walls of house have
hidden window/door frames for
Well integrated with this idea? (ok, you caught me - blatant plug) [Worldgineer, Oct 05 2004, last modified Oct 17 2004]
Sort of like this [AO, Oct 05 2004, last modified Oct 17 2004]
||And that wouldn't be an RV?
||I saw the dymaxion house, this is
why I posted that idea. Dymaxion
look like a house.
It isn't an RV cause it doesn't, can't
and couldn't go anywhere. It's not
recreational nor is it a vehicle.
An RV is efficient cause it has to
be small, I'm talking full sized
house. Trailors, try to look like
houses and don't take advantage
of most usable space.
||It would rust out in 15 years, and cost twice as much as an RV.
||I think what [sartep] is getting at, is a change in design approach. i.e. Don't try to improve the existing, start with a clean slate.
This is half-baked in SF, Heinlein's "Waldo Inc." comes to mind. The main problem I see with the idea is that people tend to resist change and will not want to invest in something radically different than what they are used to. Car design also falls under these constraints but in a less obvious way.
||RV is not designed for expansion
or to be used as a house. Plastic
bottom coating of the house can
preserve it for longer, and it is also
forgotten that the HLAC will not
encounter as much salt cause it
won't be on a road.
Ato_de, that is exactly what I'm
trying to say. Yes, I do see your
||I don't buy it.
There's a reason houses have eaves and gutters - there are places you don't want water to go.
Windows and doors already have water channeling.
I don't want my furniture to come with my house or be unmovable/unreplacable. I only spend minutes in my car each day, so my expectations for comfort and design are different there than in my home. The same with my expectations for design.
||I challenge you to come up with the program (used
architecturally) to allow you to do what you say this will
do. I mean actually try to lay this out, with exact
locations for, say the knickknack shelf, the wall outlets,
plumbing, and still allow for your expandability. You do
not appreciate the problems you will encounter. And
have fun lobbying all the planning departments to change
their code requirements to allow this.
and what about the shade and energy savings that a nice
overhanging roof provides?
See also the Wright's usonian automatic house.
||Programming wouldn't be a problem; you'd just use CATIA, UG, IDEAS, or whatever just like in the auto biz. There are meetings galore, design reviews, Design FMEA's, specs, and such to handle the non-CAD issues. In fact, I suspect it will be a great deal easier than the auto biz, since spacial requirements aren't nearly so stringent, (cars are terribly complicated from an engineering / manufacturing / logistical perspective), and there's no moving, oily, hot, noxious engine to have to deal with.
||Mr_imagonna. I could come up
with plans but I
don't have the
architecture software. I don't think
that should be counted against
me. How the fuck do you know
that I don't appriciate problems
that I will encounter? I don't
assume that you can't do things.
And yes, as long as it conforms to
the standards of a regular house it
should do fine and if it doesn't, it
can be my house and I can't sell it
to anyone. That is still bakeable.
Rayford, you are correct.
||I am honestly sorry I made that comment. I really don't
know. For all I know, you are an accomplished architect
with decades of experience; I don't know shit about
your appreciation of anything. I really need to be more
careful with my comments: it is not my intent to make
any assumptions about your abilities. Furthermore, I
appreciate the generally thoughtful tone of the
discussions at the halfbakery, and will endeavor to refrain
from making assumptions about anyone. I will however
reserve the right to be critical about what I see as a bad
idea, be it in my view impossible, not funny, repetitive, or
So, while you may appreciate the difficulties in executing
this idea, and you may well be able to solve all the
problems that will come up, in my humble opinion, it'll be
a very difficult idea to execute in a way that will appeal
to a lot of people as an alternative shelter. Hence, my
Note: I used the word program not as in computer
program, but as in program, (programme in UK) plan of
action for acheiving something; used by architects to
refer to overall concept for all aspects of a building and
site's design, NOT just plans.
||I am not feuding your right to be
critical, just be careful of how you
peg someone. It will help your
future halfbaking and general
sentient being relationships. Great
people try to find greatness in all.
Apology accepted, welcome to the
halfbakery. I will be out all
weekend, but will try to work on
this when I come back.
||what sartep said. not sure what thecat is struggling with, it might be a furball - hit him on the back someone.
||Umm, like Kreuner, voices in my head are saying "caravan". Think I'll lie down for a bit.