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Misery database

A misery database and community
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A database and community whereby people submit what is making them miserable.

The content is studied and then there are policy changes to make people less miserable.

I bet most misery comes from the lack of money.

There's a misery index but no database of facts that are making people miserable at any given point.

Are you sad? Do you think someone else is to blame? Post it on the misery database.

chronological, Mar 25 2020

How are you? https://github.com/...tree/master/English
Not really, there are HFRME factors: Health, Finance, Relationships, Meaning, and Experiences to "2. Happiness." Aside from happiness there are "1. Pursuits." :) [Mindey, Mar 26 2020]

Misery database Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/miserydatabase
[chronological, Mar 26 2020]

Illusions https://denver-psyc...18/01/Illusions.pdf
As good an explanation as any [Chairborne Hero, Mar 26 2020, last modified Mar 28 2020]

Calvinism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism
"Abandon all hope ..." [8th of 7, Mar 28 2020]

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       //lack of money//   

       I would suggest, rather, lack of economic security, which is similar but different.   

       That is, some people could be happy with a small income, so long as they could be confident that inflation would not devalue that small income, and that there was little risk of losing it.   

       Galbraith wrote quite well on this subject back in 1958.
pertinax, Mar 26 2020
  

       Just out of curiosity, [chron], how important to this idea is the part about blaming someone else?   

       Actually, not just how important, but why important?   

       For example, is this a throwback to the 1940s idea of "extrapunitive" thinking being an indicator of an "authoritarian personality"? And, if not, why not? ;-)
pertinax, Mar 26 2020
  

       It's not super important to blame others. We collectively fail as a society to make people happy.   

       The goal is to discover why people are in pain and suffering and find solutions to suffering.   

       If someone replies that it's actually the poster's fault, then that works too.
chronological, Mar 26 2020
  

       I created a subreddit for sharing misery.
chronological, Mar 26 2020
  

       //why people are in pain and suffering//   

       Entropy   

       Some people enjoy it   

       It's all an illusion   

       there is nothing
pocmloc, Mar 26 2020
  

       “Bother!” said Pooh. “Isn't there anybody here at all?”
“Nobody.”
Winnie-the-Pooh took his head out of the hole, and thought for a little, and he thought to himself, “There must be somebody there, because somebody must have said 'Nobody.'”
pertinax, Mar 26 2020
  

       Could have been hallucinating
pocmloc, Mar 26 2020
  

       [chron]: // If someone replies that it's actually the poster's fault, then that works too. //   

       That may be the most helpful therapeutic approach for many problems. You explain why you’re unhappy - and the listener acknowledges with “Yes, that is a problem. What are you going to do about it?”   

       [pocmloc]: // it’s an illusion //   

       Richard Bach? (link)
Chairborne Hero, Mar 26 2020
  

       Define "Misery", and the difference between that and "suffering". Buddhist practice is that we accept the concept that all of life is suffering if you allow yourself to give in to attachments.
blissmiss, Mar 26 2020
  

       Drat you, [bliss], we were just about to post that ! Drat, drat and double drat !   

       The problem is one of perception.   

       It is likely that if most Buddhist monks were asked "Do you live a happy and fulfilled life ?" the answer would be "Yes".   

       Yet they have no home, and no possessions other than a robe, a pair of sandals, and a begging bowl ...   

       <Wanders away singing>   

       "Oh Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ? My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends ... "   

       <Wanders away singing/>
8th of 7, Mar 26 2020
  

       //hallucinating//   

       "Hallucination" only has a meaning by contrast with "reality". Some things may be hallucinations but, if everything is a hallucination, then nothing is.
pertinax, Mar 26 2020
  

       [+] There is a similar TED talk in which a longtime counselor describes how she used to solve people's problems. She would put groups of people into a room and ask them what they wanted. Almost inevitably someone else in the room had a solution: travel tickets they didn't want to use, etc. etc.
4and20, Mar 27 2020
  

       //if everything is a hallucination, then nothing is//   

       Yes, that's what I was just saying up there.
pocmloc, Mar 27 2020
  

       But are you sure you didn't hallucinate it ?   

       Are you still having the dreams about electric sheep, by the way ?
8th of 7, Mar 27 2020
  

       I am suffering.   

       How is it an illusion?
chronological, Mar 28 2020
  

       It's not.
pertinax, Mar 28 2020
  

       // I am suffering. How is it an illusion? //   

       It’s an illusion you’ve chosen for reasons of your own. Go grab a copy of “Illusions” by Richard Bach - linked, but you could get a physical copy at any library - and read the whole thing. Pay special attention to Chapter 8 which speaks directly to your question here.   

       There will be a short quiz on Monday.
Chairborne Hero, Mar 28 2020
  

       //Entropy, some people enjoy it, it's all an illusion, there is nothing//   

       I've condensed your spacing as it was attention seeking. Are you sure you are a nihilist ? I do have some experience there but I try not to spread it because its a tad depressing.
bigsleep, Mar 28 2020
  

       //attention seeking// Sorry, that was not my intent, just being terse and minimalist. What I was trying to say is nihilist in some ways (though not in the philosophical sense of denying real existence, more in a realistic naturalistic sense of denying intrinsic meaning or purpose). I try to look at the long-term view, of the unfolding of the Universe, which seems to follow the rules of entropy, in that everything started (to a first approximation) very hot and close together, and will finish very cool and spread out, and every natural phenomenon along the way is a blip, or noise in the signal. So stars, rocks, virusses, plants, human brains, are all basically contingent accidents thrown up by the ruthless logic of duplication and selection, and all of those things have (to a first approximation) zero temporal or spatial extent in the universe.   

       //I am suffering. How is it an illusion?// Well first of all, if it looked like an illusion it wouldn't be a very good one, which may bazooka my whole premise here, but nonetheless there must be other more sideways ways to tell. Suffering is an interesting one, does a star suffer when it starts to get clagged up by fusion reaction products? Does a rock suffer as it is ground down by the sea? Does the virus suffer when effective societal shutdown stymies its bid for world domination? Do you suffer when you are asleep, or unconscious? I don't necessarily think that human consciousness is different in its fundamental nature to the experience of those things. The "illusory" nature of conscious experience is the way some consciousness scholars try to describe the emergent nature of conscious experience out of biochemical and physical processes. And therefore all conscious experiences have to be understood as arbitrary. Is this not similar to the way that Buddhist ideas about letting go of material and experiential attachments operate?   

       And the idea of suffering being directly connected to entropy, is that thermodynamics inevitably means that any kind of structure in the universe will inevitably disperse and unravel, and so maintaining that structure requires effort and input of energy, which will inevitably prove futile since the structures will end up dispersing anyway.
pocmloc, Mar 28 2020
  

       You're trying to tell me that random atoms bumping into one another created a mind.   

       There's a simpler explanation and that is God is the creator of the laws of our universe.   

       Occams Razor
chronological, Mar 28 2020
  

       Occam’s principle was “Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily” and people usually take that to mean the simplest explanation is the best one. But that doesn’t mean simple-minded. To explain something away by invoking a deity is indeed “multiplying entities” - and cuts off any search for further reasoning.   

       If you’re miserable AND you think God is the simplest explanation (for everything), then your misery is God’s will.
Chairborne Hero, Mar 28 2020
  

       ... and the problem is insoluble, by any means you have, particularly if you subscribe to a Calvinist doctrine (predestination) <link>.   

       Specially created by the Christian church to make believers feel hopeless, powerless and utterly miserable.   

       To be fair, a view of the Universe as a huge, random, uncaring mechanistic system in which you are so minuscule as to be statistically insignificant isn't very comforting either, although it doesn't preclude you taking action to change your immediate situation and outcomes.
8th of 7, Mar 28 2020
  

       //taking action to change your immediate situation and outcomes// That is the entire point; that is the only course of action open, and it also is the only way to effect change in the universe.
pocmloc, Mar 28 2020
  

       Writing letters to Santa doesn't work, then ?   

       What about writing letters to Satan ?
8th of 7, Mar 28 2020
  

       //To explain something away by invoking a deity is indeed “multiplying entities”//   

       Berkeley's immaterialism implies the opposite of that (and actually works better with C20th physics than the work of his enlightenment contemporaries).   

       //Occam’s principle was “Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily”//   

       Occam's principle, IIRC, was founded on theological assumptions.
pertinax, Mar 31 2020
  

       //make believers feel hopeless, powerless and utterly miserable//   

       OTOH, it eliminates existential agony. Not a Calvinist myself, but giving the devil his due here, so to speak.
pertinax, Mar 31 2020
  

       But does that not remove one form of mental agony, merely to replace it with a different and possibly worse one ?   

       "You're doomed, and you know you are,
You're doomed, and you know you are ... "
8th of 7, Mar 31 2020
  


 

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