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Echo and reverb are dimmed and slightly changed signals
repeated at a delay.
But the 2way stereo effect reverses the direction of the
delayed signal, so that the delay on the first side is longer
and
comes back only after the delayed second signal is received.
So instead of hearing
>>
sigSide1, [side2Delay], sigSide2 ...[effectDelay]...
sigSide1b
[side2Delay] sigSide2b,
you hear:
>> sigSide1 [side2Delay] sigSide2 ...[effectDelay]... sigSide2b
[echo2Delay] sigSide1b
Editing, hopefully it will be clearer:
DAW (digital audio workstation software) delayed echo effect
just copies the channels and repeats the sounds.
So if you (presumably a male) have on the left channel: hell
low how are you two day?
Putting delayed echo on it you hear:
hell hell low low how how are are you you two two day day.
If on the right channel of the stereo you hear someone else
(say a woman) saying: A B C D E F G
And you put a delayed echo on it: You will get A A B B C C D D
E E F F
G G
Now if you listen to the two raw channels in stereo without
any echo you hear:
A Hell B low C how D are E you F two G day
Putting the echo on both stereo channels you hear:
A Hell A Hell B low B low C how C how D are D are E you E
you F two F two G day G day
But if you use my "real world" two-way echo, you hear:
A Hell Hell A B low low B C how how C D are are D E you you
E F two two F G day day G.
Cool video of natural echo on a sax.
https://fb.watch/8xvZ9-6vjG/
[doctorremulac3, Oct 09 2021]
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Can you explain it better? I'm awake, had 3 coffees and I've
read it 4 times. I have a working knowledge of reverb, and
I'm still baffled. |
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well it appears that you hear it without the
commas. |
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//hear it without the commas.// |
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But... commas are a kind of delay.... |
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well maybe that’s your answer then because I
certainly don’t understand… |
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So swapping channels/sides as well as repeating? I don't know if an echo cave will affect a multi-spacial source to that degree. |
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[bs0u0155], all you have to do is stick your head inside a
Leslie speaker and you'll have this. (That is, if the rotation
rate is half the signal rate) |
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I have a wall full of gold and platinum albums that
all featured heavy use of reverb and digital delay
machines and I have no idea what’s going on here.
If this can be done with one of those can you just
describe the settings you’d use? |
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(As I understand it...) It's a different delay for each channel,
instead of (I presume) the standard of a common delay.
Possibly with some smarts as to which channel comes first..? |
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That's done all the time. |
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Delays aren't a standard thing, they're an
enhancement artistically used to make the song
better. So you'd say "Put some delay on it." like
you'd
say "Put some piano on it." The next question
would
be "What do you want it to do?". One rule of thumb
would be it would match the tempo and create a
beat that fits with the song but it's like a
paintbrush,
you can do lots of stuff with it. |
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This might be great but I don't understand it. If it's
a delay that bounces from one channel to the next
that's very commonly done. |
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No no, not "a delay is standard"; I meant " a common delay
value for both channels (as opposed to a different delay
value for each channel) is standard". Unless you (as the
resident expert) have used different delays for different
channels?
Maybe [pashute] can re-appear & provide some more clarity. |
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Yea, delays are just like colors in a painting, they
take notes, beats etc and make echos of them that
you can use on your audio canvas. You can have a
note on the right side echo on the left, then back on
the right ping ponging back and forth, have echoes
change tone, get lower or higher, wherever your
creativity takes you. |
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But as far as this idea I'm totally confused. |
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Never has a [thwarted-pineapple] been better deserved. |
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//You can have a note on the right side echo on the left,
then back on the right ping ponging back and forth, have
echoes change tone, get lower or higher,// |
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Witchcraft. Left is guitarist #1, Right is guitarist #2. You
can vary the delay by shouting at the relevant musician*
to twiddle one of the many knobs on the floor. After the
feedback dies down, we all agree we invented regressive
metal for a reason, and the delay pedal is only to be used
for playing the Top Gun theme to pass the time while the
drummer sets up his 42nd cymbal. |
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*as opposed to the bassist/drummer. |
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Addendum: I was assuming this was mostly for "live" effects,
not studio engineering... |
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I have no idea what's going on. |
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Pash, can you clear this up? We're all confused. Intrigued,
but confused. |
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[doc emulac], your link isn't working... |
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I'm editing the idea for clarity. |
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Is it understood any better now? |
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Neutrino's said it correctly. I'm looking for a slightly
different
delay for each channel so that the "closer to the echo-wall"
gets back faster than the "farther away" causing a "reversed
stereo effect". I'm not sure if we will perceive anything
different but its worth a try comparing with regular "echo". |
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Of course you can do with your audio signal anything you
want, but I'm talking about a "standard" (i.e. regular)
button where you turn on the "echo" and instead of just
adding a delayed sound or reverb to both channels, you get
automatically a slight (adjustable) additional delay on one
of the sides
creating something of a "time pan effect" to the echo not
effecting the original two stereo channels. |
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So effectively the left side starts first but plays a bit
slower than the right side and the right side finishes
first? |
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Thank you [Rayford]. And a delayed [+], [pashute], replacing
a thwarted pineapple, in a gradual cross-fade. |
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Thank you a1. Wonder what happened? |
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Anyway, boy music used to be experimental didn't it?
This song sounds like the soundtrack to a dream or
something. |
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[+] for thinking about echo settings, something I used
to do a lot. |
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Anbody want to have fun with echo, buy yourself an old tape
echo machine like an Echoplex. Turns everything into a horror
movie, dream, time machine soundtrack etc. |
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Five minutes with this thing you'll go "This is where every
horror or sci-fi movie audio special effect came from for
decades!" |
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In your DAW, assign sig1 with a 1/4 note delay effect, no feedback (single repeat). Pan the effect to the opposite side as sig1. Assign sig2 with an 1/8 note delay effect, no feedback (single repeat). Pan the effect to the opposite side as sig2. I think this is the effect as described. |
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xray, you speaking studioeze? Are you a member of
the sound club? (recording engineers, artists,
producers etc.) |
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I've spent a bit of time behind the virtual faders, [doctorremulac3]. I produced an album the band I was in recorded a few years ago. No one listened to the album (even the free copies), and the band broke up due to creative disputes and personality conflicts. So, all in all, it was a success. |
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"We were meetin' chicks, takin' drugs
They asked us to do MTV Unplugged
You should've seen us
We went right out there and refused to do acoustical
versions of the electrical songs we refused to record
in the first place
Then we smashed our shit..." |
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