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combined brakes for two wheelers ( motorbikes/scooters)

just like cars
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Most two wheelers come with two brakes, one for front and one for rear wheel. This is not the case with cars; Cars have one single brake that applies to all the wheels.

So, why the hastle of two saperate brakes for two wheelers ? ..Simply combine them into one single brake for ease of operation and increasing safety.

VJW, Jun 07 2011

Baked. http://en.wikipedia...ined_braking_system
You didn't really think you were the first to think of this, did you? [spidermother, Jun 08 2011]


       There is a very good reason for separating the brakes. Braking a two-wheeled vehicle is very, very different from braking a four-wheeled one. Separate and proportional control of the front and rear brakes is essential for safe riding. Even the most sophisticated bikes, with ABS, shaft drive and traction control, still have separate braking controls.
8th of 7, Jun 07 2011

       I completely agree with [8of7]. Locking a front wheel in a car is a minor inconvenience, the same on a motorcycle causes a REALLY bad day. To complicate this, the contact patch on a motorcycle is SO small that is can actually fit on common bits of debris found on roads like leaves. The same is not true for "most" cars.
MisterQED, Jun 07 2011

       One problem with saperate brakes is that , rider might use only front brake in slippery conditions, which can lead to disaster. Combining brakes with proper propotions, will always be safer than using only one of the brakes( either front or rear).
VJW, Jun 07 2011

       // rider might use only front brake in slippery conditions //   

       Yes, but only once. Thus are incautious riders efficiently removed from the Gene pool.
8th of 7, Jun 07 2011

       Dependant upon circumstances, it may be appropriate to use ALMOST entirely front brake, even though it sounds counter intuitive.   

       Any system that automatically combines the two would have to be very smart, taking into account not only speed but more than one axis of orientation of the bike. In addition, surface traction (dirt vs wet pavement vs mud) would influence the decision.
normzone, Jun 07 2011

       As [normzone] says, you'd have to make this device complicated in some way, such as as tilt sensor, or a deceleration sensor or anti-lock. Without at least some suggestion of such a method, such as a pendulum on a lever, this is just a wish for something fairly obvious.   

       Although a one-lever system would be nice for some people. I have heard many a beginning bicycle rider told to never touch the front brake, and seen a few others lock up the front and go over.   

       But a little bit of training and thought could and should be used instead. [ ]
baconbrain, Jun 07 2011

       I mostly use ONLY the front brake (due to it being on the right, and me having issues with left-hand control) except for major downhill speed. Luckily it's pretty flat where I live. I'm not a hardcore mountain biker or anything, mostly roads and easy tracks.
(Also, a friend of mine devised a one-handled, two-brakes antilock system for me, that we never got around to implementing. I should revisit his design, to see how well it might work...)
neutrinos_shadow, Jun 07 2011

       In addition to the numerous points of my fellow (motorcycle) riders illustrating the need for separate braking, may I point out that a few of the gigantic touring cycles available these days have computer-controlled balance-braking.... Making this idea baked, cooled, packaged and sold. Sorry.
Alterother, Jun 08 2011

       // it may be appropriate to use ALMOST entirely front brake//   

       Can you explain which circumstances ?
VJW, Jun 08 2011

marklar, Jun 08 2011

       coasting backwards.
FlyingToaster, Jun 08 2011

       Due to the weight shift while braking, the front brake has significantly more stopping power than the rear. As long as you carry your weight intelligently and aren't going down a super-steep hill, you can use the front brake alone, although the best is a combination of both.
MechE, Jun 08 2011

       I can only guess that VJW doesn't ride a two wheeler.   

       The relatively short wheelbase and high centre of gravity of motorcycles creates significant changes in load distribution between the front and rear contact patches. This requires that brake force distribution can be controlled in order to optimise the use of those contact patches.   

       This is also the case, to a lesser extent, with any vehicle. Recently, systems have been developed which control brake force distribution in cars, in order to achieve what riders have been doing since bikes had two brakes.   

       I once owned a bike which had a heavy forward weight bias. On that machine, it was appropriate to use almost entirely the front brake.   

       In the UK, legislation requires that the vehicle has two independent braking systems. Bikes with linked brakes still have a handlebar lever and a foot brake pedal, plus some more hose and valves in between. Even without bias control, the linked system is more complex.
Twizz, Jun 08 2011

       So, we're saying this is a bad idea then?
theleopard, Jun 08 2011

       The general view seems to be moving that way, yes.
8th of 7, Jun 08 2011

       Ok, just checking.
theleopard, Jun 08 2011


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