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# Five - A Universal Written Language

A universal written language that utilizes just six symbols.
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"012345" is all you need.

Numbers: 0 is 0. 1 is 1. 2 is 2. 3 is 3. 4 is 4. 5 is 50. 6 is 51. 7 is 52. 8 is 53. 9 is 54. 10 is 10. 11 is 11. 12 is 12. 13 is 13. 14 is 14. 15 is 150...

Ascii: Z is 90 is 540. Zed is 90then101then100 is 5405510155100... Use 55 to represent the end of one Ascii character and the beginning of the next.

List of numbers: 1 2 3 4 5 is 15525535545550

List of rational numbers: 1/2 1/4 1/8 is 1552551554551558

List of letters: a b c d e is 15525535545550

Binary data: Write it as a number. 01011010 is 101011010 is 346 is 3451.

Unpacked binary data: 000111 is 1000111.

Prefix to specify what coding system: Code0 uses a prefix 0055. Code1 uses a prefix 0155. Code2 uses a prefix 0255... The prefix need only be included when it is necessary to communicate to someone what the number represents.

Make up your own codes to extend the language!

 — zelah, Oct 13 2016

Senary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senary
Base 6 [xaviergisz, Oct 13 2016]

 Why five? Why not three or twelve?

Our alphabet (plus digits) works nicely because it has enough symbols to produce compact words, but not too many symbols to remember. Chinese is simply a failed language, because it contains too many symbols for anyone to remember. Binary contains too few symbols, leading to very long words, but is good for computers. But five symbols would seem to be the worst of all worlds.
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 13 2016

 //Why five? Why not three or twelve?//

so i can continue to think in decimal
 — zelah, Oct 13 2016

Your numbering system falls apart when you get to 50 (decimal). Just stick to ordinary base-6 (as per [xaviergisz], in the links).

50 is 500
 — zelah, Oct 13 2016

It's pointless, but it's still missing something [-]
 — Voice, Oct 13 2016

You might use this to memorize a photo or an audio sample. I will use it to save trees by writing most things with standard six-sided dice. REALLY BIG DICE IF I'M ANGRY!
 — zelah, Oct 13 2016

 // It's pointless, but it's still missing something //

[marked-for-tagline]
 — 2 fries shy of a happy meal, Oct 13 2016

Now try doing some maths with your system...

I might memorize Microsoft Windows so I can delete it from my computer.
 — zelah, Oct 13 2016



 "Our amplifiers, they go to 11."

</Nigel>
 — whatrock, Oct 13 2016

Not a base method the universe would use. My opinion of course
 — wjt, Oct 14 2016

i will use this (so i guess i am not the universe)
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

Just one of it's beautiful complex iterations
 — wjt, Oct 14 2016

why thank you (my iterations are beautiful)
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

Works as an encryption scheme. (Encryption as in "make it really difficult for someone not in-the-know to figure out what's going on"...)
 — lurch, Oct 14 2016

 i think it is good for

 1. spies with good memories

2. time travelers to the past who can't carry things with them
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

 doing math (as in arithmetic) is great fun

i use a list of numbers in my calculations
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

 just messing around with my braille tablet i can now use this code to read and write in total darkness

for those that don't know, braille uses up to six bumps per character
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

Could this be the next Common Core?
 — whatrock, Oct 14 2016

[whatrock], i never know if you are mocking me.
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

This is not a language; it is merely a script or cipher for encoding English.
 — pocmloc, Oct 14 2016

what if i were to present graphical images and sounds (encoded as numbers) next to codes in some order so that the student is able to learn a totally invented language? All the student would need to know is the basic rules and by the end they would be fluent in my artificial language. i should write a book for this.
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

 //0 is 0. 1 is 1. 2 is 2. 3 is 3. 4 is 4. 5 is 50. 6 is 51. 7 is 52. 8 is 53. 9 is 54. 10 is 10. 11 is 11. 12 is 12. 13 is 13. 14 is 14. 15 is 150...//

 If you have "5" in your alphabet, why is 5 "50"? Why not just 5? And, if "50" means 5, then what does "5" mean?

 Also, if you have "511" in your alphabet, is that "51","1" (presumably, 61) or is it "5" "1" "1" (511)?

 Also also, I don't get how you are mixing digit addition and digit place- values. Why is 12 (in normal digits) equal to "12" in your system? If you're using addition (like Roman numerals) than "12" should mean "1+2", or 3. If you're using place-values, then "12" should be "(1x5)+(2)"=7.

I think what I don't get is it.
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 14 2016

 //If you have "5" in your alphabet, why is 5 "50"? Why not just 5? And, if "50" means 5, then what does "5" mean?//

just think of it this way - half of the decimal digits have a two symbol code. "5" is used in two ways. in the first way "5" is followed by "0", "1", "2", "3", or "4". In this case you add the two digits to get the intended decimal digit. in the second use "5" is followed by "5". in this use the combination is a separator or special code
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

 // You might use this to memorize a photo or an audio sample. //

 Why use this instead of decimal for memorising? I don't see an advantage.

 // I will use it to save trees by writing most things with standard six-sided dice. REALLY BIG DICE IF I'M ANGRY! //

Or you could use it to send messages with sequences of 1 to 6 taps. I think I might find this easier to pick up than Morse code, which I haven't learnt. Symbol 0 could be represented as 6 taps, while symbols 1 to 5 wouldn't need changing, they would be 1 to 5 taps.
 — caspian, Oct 14 2016

it is also good for sign language
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

 //Why use this instead of decimal for memorising? I don't see an advantage.//

you are correct - the advantages lie elswhere
 — zelah, Oct 14 2016

Easier to count to fifty if zelah's fly is down this way.
 — RayfordSteele, Oct 14 2016

 [MaxwellBuchanan] I think engrish would be much easier if we expanded the alphabet to include as many characters as needed such that words could be written phonetically, something akin to hiragana (~50 characters).

 The fact that we must remember how to spell something, when we can already say it, seems somewhat inefficient, and is a waste of time for kids who could be learning something useful, like science.

It might introduce a new problem though: that of accents, and how they might change spelling. The solution, of course, would be to set accent = Queen of England, and let the rest of the world know that's the real thing.
 — TIB, Oct 15 2016

 //The fact that we must remember how to spell something, when we can already say it, seems somewhat inefficient, and is a waste of time for kids who could be learning something useful, like science.//

or something even more useful like klingon
 — zelah, Oct 15 2016

 / i use a list of numbers in my calculations — zelah, Oct 13 2016/

 I like very much your annotations, Zelah. AND THE REALLY BIG DICE.

Also, the numbers list system could prove very useful. I often need some when I do calculations.
 — bungston, Oct 16 2016

//expanded the alphabet to include as many characters as needed such that words could be written phonetically// You can already spell words phonetically using the current alphabet (if you standardize the sounds of certain letters). And I agree, English is inefficient in that sense. But it is many long miles ahead of, say, Mandarin.
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 16 2016

[Max B] //But five symbols would seem to be the worst of all worlds.//

- but "Five" has six symbols, not five, of course. This, I assume, counters all your objections...
 — hippo, Oct 17 2016

Ah, well, in that case...
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 17 2016

Personally I see Five's use of six symbols as being a sort of homage to the Islamic invention of zero and, more broadly, to the genesis of other counting systems, suggesting as it does that the inventor of "Five" discovered the existence and utility of the concept of zero halfway through the invention process - i.e. just after the name had been settled on, but before any other features of lesser importance had been decided.
 — hippo, Oct 17 2016

And who cannot see in Five's rejection of 'place value' ("1 is 1. 2 is 2. 3 is 3. ... 7 is 52. 8 is 53. 9 is 54") a bold assertion of pre-Enlightenment values?
 — hippo, Oct 17 2016

I'll be convinced of this as soon as I see the workings for 189,243 divided by 17.1313, using Five.
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 17 2016

The author seems to have mis-discovered non-decimal counting systems.
 — RayfordSteele, Oct 17 2016

 //I'll be convinced of this as soon as I see the workings for 189,243 divided by 17.1313, using Five.//

153542430000551521313
 — zelah, Oct 17 2016

//I'll be convinced of this as soon as I see the workings//
 — MaxwellBuchanan, Oct 17 2016

Further to the esteemed [MaxwellBuchanan], the workings must be in Five; not converted to decimal, worked, then converted back.