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A web page where people trade "reading favors". For instance, if I want feedback for an idea of mine, I would have to earn it by reading something that someone else wrote.
That's the nice part about going to school, is you get to have teachers respond to your ideas, for free!
So it could kind of
be like free advice for your ideas, in a I'll scratch your back you scratch my back sort of method.
I don't know if I just don't have a very good blog, but I don't get very many responses. Maybe it is because I am not in a very good blog sharing atmosphere. You meet a lot more people when going to school, and when dating.
This idea could work for fiction, where on aspiring writers asks someone to read his work and in return he could read someone else's work. It could also be used by web designers. In fact if you want to look for mistakes or offer suggestions for my webpage, I would look at yours and give you advice.
ORIGIN OF IDEA:
I want to join a group called toastmasters, however I realized that they charged money, and their goal wasn't to have political debates, but to help people become better speakers.
The book De-Schooling Society, by Ivan Illitch. He thinks schools should be destroyed, and peer to peer education should take their place. I think the internet makes some of his weirder ideas possible now.
POSSIBLE PROBLEMS:
People could try and earn a lot of help with their ideas without helping other people out with their ideas.
POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS:
Perhaps you could not use the same person over and over again. This would keep friends from giving someone feedback points without them ever having to earn it.
A market could develop. People could give your feedback a score. Your feedback could merit 1, 2, or 3 points. You could then use those points to then get people to read your essays.
PRINCIPLES THAT AGREE:
1. We need non-monetary ways of exchanging services.
2. We should find as many ways to get like minded people together.
3. Discussion is good.
4. Feedback on ideas is good
5. The barter system is good.
6. People who want their ideas evaluated, would probably enjoy evaluating other people's ideas.
I googled Writers' forums and there are plenty
http://www.google.c...=forums+for+writers
[dentworth, Aug 18 2005]
Here's a good one at the Absolute Write Water Cooler
http://absolutewrit...rumdisplay.php?f=26
[ldischler, Aug 18 2005]
Toastmasters
http://www.toastmasters.org/
I wanted to join them until I found out that they charged mone$! [myclob, Aug 20 2005]
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I wonder if you could have a campus tutoring matchmaker that matches your academic strength and weakness to another student with the inverse strength and weakness? |
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Supposing, as you suggested, that the user has friends then wouldn't it be simpler just to ask them to read it.
Who would it be that would rate your feedback then? |
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There are sites that gve you prewritten essays for specific topics and in return you have to give them some essays you have written, but I suppose this isn't the same thing. |
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I'm going to ask why you feel that this would be useful. Feedback should be about the idea and the idea alone. Whether or not I have written feedback on somebody else's idea has no bearing on whether my idea is good or bad. If it's interesting enough, either for good or bad reasons, annotations will appear. |
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I don't think it would make sense if someone's ideas did well based on who they were and on their history. This does happen to a degree at present, largely because it is easier to deduce the exact tone of an idea when judged against a background of ideas of similar quality from the same user. |
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Not a terrible idea really - the feedback would have to be scored by the essay's original author to ensure that you got credit proportional to the work you put in. |
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[d_s] - It's not about halfbakery ideas, it's about college work. |
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I was unclear on this point; it begins "if I wanted feedback for an idea of mine". It might be more relevant in an off-bakery scenario. |
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Yeah pretty good. Could it also apply to works of fiction? Getting serious feedback on that is very hard, even if you do have many friends. |
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(If I didn't like this idea so much that last paragraph would have made me fishbone) |
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No I take that back, please continue writing the first thing that comes to mind. You would indeed be a fake if you didn't. Good for you. |
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Myclob, You´re back! I so admire your tenacity, Kupo!
(hint: using the frase "there should be" could be an incentive for mfd Advocacy. |
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Fishbone. And only for you I will ellaborate: This is not because I do not like you, I like you a lot and especially the way you blow up when yet another Idea has crashed and burned and I mean this in the most positive way, so I´m hoping you won´t get mad after this. |
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Fishbone because: If I wanted feedback I would give it to familly and friends, wait and then get their input. In your idea I would have to make a lot of effort before I could get my paper read. |
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On second thought, the fishbone is going into pending
mode. What do you mean //. People could give your feedback a score.//? Does it mean that I give feedback and if the receiver does not like it I get only 1 point, or is that (maybe) the length or the wording of the feedback get points? |
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[zeno], [Susan], [myclob], [anyone] - If any of you want honest feedback on something you have written, please feel free to send it to me. You may not hold any feedback I might provide in any position of great esteem (especially considering my tortuous and clumsy ideas about sentence structure and parentheses) but the offer is there. |
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[myclob] - how does this work? I read someone else's idea, and then they are obliged to read mine? Who goes first? |
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//The only way I can do that is to write the first thing that comes into my mind// yeah, but you can go back and refine it once it's written. Refining and editing is socially acceptable. Ask any writer. Ideally, write it in some other text program, edit it, decide you're happy with it, then cut and paste it. People who can't bear to look back are just leaving rubbish lying around for the rest of us to trip over. And even if it's great, couldn't it have been even better if you'd polished it?
No? How the feck do you know?
I think [dentworth]'s link pretty much covers this. And in a more productive way than simply scoring stuff. |
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[zen] Careful what you wish for! ;) |
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Aye. If your mailbox starts clogging [zen-tom] it's my novel trying to get through. |
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Thanks for the feedback. I tried organizing my idea a little better, and I took my stupid rant out. |
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I like the idea of using a computer algorithm that used intelligence to match people together. |
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hidden truths
Yes, but I don't have very many friends. Also, I don't like being a Burdon on my friends. I would feel like I was taking advantage of them If I got their help with my ideas all the time, and I couldn't offer them anything. |
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I guess that's what good friends do is help each other, but a lot of my friends aren't as interested in ideas as much as I am. That's why I think Zimmy's idea is cool, is we need better ways to find people who share our interest. |
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pooduck, the pre-written essays is similar in that it's trying to promote thinking, and Idea feedback, but you knew that. Maybe I don't have to respond to everyone, but It is cool getting feedback. That is what is cool about this site, is I get feedback much like my idea is trying to promote. So I guess, if I wanted I could go to your ideas and give you feedback! So, in a way my idea is already happening. |
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david_scothern, your write this does kind of happen already. I'm just trying to create a system that rewards people for good behavior. Good behavior is giving other people feedback for their ideas. I have to admit it I'm a very selfish person. I just post my ideas, and don't try to help other people very much. |
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zeno, this would be perfect for fiction. |
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Susan, I went away for a long time because I ran out of ideas. This is the first one I've had for a long time, even though it is kind of similar to my other ideas. I didn't explain my feedback score thing very well. It's just a way to make sure feedback is real and not people and their friend's from cheating, or not putting thought into suggestions. |
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Zen tom, your right the devil is in the details. This is off the top of my head, but maybe you could go into a certain amount of debt. People would see the # of times you got help, and the # of times you gave it. They would know this when deciding weather or not to give you feedback. If your a feedback giver yourself, they might expect to get some good stuff back from you. |
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Sometimes we all need a help overdraft. |
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I like the concept, but agree that it does basically exist in the form of writer's guilds. |
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Friends and family are too prone to not being objective in their reviews. |
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<darkly> ...or not knowing what on Earth you're talking about. |
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This is why I write best with a partner. I
have more ideas when i'm talking to
somebody. |
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