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Polkadot Clown Shoes

Process for tracking who's tracking you.
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To determine who's tracking you by listening to your through your phone, say something you would never think about on a regular basis and see if you get popup ads for it.

I've heard that when you register to TikTok, you have to give it access to your microphone and camera. Once you do that, theoretically, TikTok can access them at any time and record you without you knowing. And that's the same with all apps that ask for those permissions, including Instagram and WhatsApp. I don't know to what extent this is true but I had Ticktock on my phone and was talking to somebody about how ADHD might not necessarily be a problem but might be a plus in some cases. Next day a Ticktock video popped up on my phone without my doing a search saying the exact same thing. Could be a coincidence.

So to test to see who's listening and selling you stuff if that really is happening on a regular basis clearly say "I'm shopping for polkadot clown shoes." or something you would never buy. When you get an ad for polkadot clown shoes from Bob's Clown Shoe Emporium you know they're buying spy info from whatever app you're running on your phone.

doctorremulac3, Jan 14 2022

Ingenious test can prove if Facebook secretly listens to your conversations https://nypost.com/...your-conversations/
Although I gotta admit "oat milk" isn't as funny as "Polkadot Clown Shoes" [a1, Jan 14 2022]

Apple, encryption, backdoors, and the FBI https://www.cnbc.co...ooters-iphones.html
Relevant reading. [RayfordSteele, Jan 15 2022]

Alexa Terms of Service https://www.amazon....ml?nodeId=201809740
[a1, Jan 15 2022]

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       Funny. My wife and I were talking about this the other day.
She mentioned making French onion soup from scratch and later that day onion soup pots show up in an ad on farcebook. We just laughed at the coincidence.
A couple of days later I was telling her about an idea I have for making a telescopic, periscopic toenail cutter for when we get old and the ad that pops up, I swear to God, is for "the best toenail cutters for the elderly".
  

       I think Alexa might be sharing info.   

       hmmmm... I can't decide between two different responses so I guess i'll just have to post them both.   

       Neither deciduous nor coniferous limbs belong in one's renal orifice.   

       &   

       Oh no! [MFD] nazis! Run!   

       In your case, 2_fries - knowing you are very concerned about privacy - it's seems odd you would allow Alexa in your home. Truly, allowing a device or program to listen to you - and not realizing anything you say may be used to sell you something?   

       Are you not being a trifle naif?
a1, Jan 14 2022
  

       I don’t even have Alexa or Siri or TicTok, but this happens all the time. Mostly from using facebook.   

       Here is a weird story:   

       I have a second cell phone with no Sim card that I use for playing a game. The other day it was sitting on the living room table and out of the clear blue it said “ I don’t understand what you are saying”. I think it was listening to the TV! What is scary is I don’t know what app or what prompted it to say that. It never talk to me before.
xandram, Jan 14 2022
  

       //Let's all [mark-for-deletion]//   

       a1 you really haven't a clue.   

       Method for tracking spyware. Jesus dude, do you live for this MFD bullshit? You've appointed yourself Halfbakery MFD nazi.   

       This method of spam avoidance would allow you to track who's tracking you with great specificity.   

       By not understanding "let's all" you can say that about anything. "Let's all have custard filled speed bumps." "Let's all have the N-Prize competition for cheapest way to shoot an object into orbit."   

       I am so proud that in the 16 or so years I've been coming here I've never once tagged another halfbaker's idea with MFD.   

       Let people have their fun. Shut up with your MFD bullshit already.
doctorremulac3, Jan 14 2022
  

       //In your case, 2_fries - knowing you are very concerned about privacy//   

       I do believe it is a right not to be spied on yes. If I had known that my spoken words would be broadcast to marketers I would have made more of a fuss when my wife wanted to get the damned thing. Still can't know for sure if that's it or the product placements are coincidence.   

       //It's not an invention, you're not the first person to think of it//   

       So it’s not a “let’s all”, it’s WKTE, and it’s not an invention and it’s already been invented.   

       Can we start marking dumb MFDs with MFD? Now there’s an idea.
doctorremulac3, Jan 14 2022
  

       // If I had known that my spoken words would be broadcast to marketers I would have made more of a fuss //   

       Trust me on this - if nothing else - when a service is free, YOU are the product. Anything about you that can be scooped from a connected device or app will be sold to anyone who wants to pay for it.   

       As for whether or not Alexa or some other web search was responsible for tipping off the marketers that your wife might be shopping ingredients for soup - it all comes to the same thing.
a1, Jan 14 2022
  

       It's one thing to analyze your on-line preferences for marketing purposes, it's quite another to be listening in on private words spoken between individuals.   

       hmm, if it turns out that our devices are spying on our private lives then maybe invasion of privacy charges should be levelled at those who are responsible.   

       // charges should be levelled at those who are responsible //   

       That would be whoever bought and set up the microphone in your house and left it plugged in. Or whoever gave your phone/computer/app permission to access the microphone. Once that happened you might as well stand on a street corner and shout "WHO'S GOT A RECIPE FOR ONION SOUP?"   

       I'd like to draw a sharp line here: I'm just saying it happens and you shouldn't be surprised. Not commenting on if it's right or wrong. But it's been over twenty years since Scott McNealy said you have zero privacy and people are STILL surprised.   

       Good luck on your legal actions though. If the class action lawsuit is successful you might get an Amazon gift card good towards the purchase or upgrade to the latest Alexa.
a1, Jan 14 2022
  

       If you're on Facebook, then your data has already been made available to whomever wants to look at it whether you gave permission or not. Facebook can also delete all of it without warning or explanation as they did to mine and you can't get it back no matter what you do. If you really want to know who's listening or not, try sending a secure email or text message that describes in convincing detail the plans for a fictitious terrorist attack, then see what happens. Good luck to those who think no one listens to anything, or that encrypted messages can't be read as if they are plain text. Organisations like MI5/MI6 will descend on you like vampires in the middle of the night.
xenzag, Jan 14 2022
  

       I've got no beef with websites selling information gleaned from on-line activity. I'm saying that listeing in on private conversations is illegal. Even if they've fine-printed into a contract that the owner of the listening device agrees to allow their own personal spoken information to be sold that signature in no way allows for listening in on conversations of people who did not sign any such contract.   

       //Good luck on your legal actions though. If the class action lawsuit is successful you might get an Amazon gift card//   

       Oh I'm not talking about civil damages I'm talking about jail time for the CEO's who decided to give themselves the right to bug our homes illegally and sell the information for profit.   

       // civivil action ... criminal actuont //   

       Read the service agreements again. You'll have a hard time even in a civil suit proving anything happened outside of the legalese you accepted by clicking "agree." Even harder to prove criminal activity.
a1, Jan 14 2022
  

       "I" didn't sign anything.
I'm pretty sure that even fine print doesn't include mandatory third party participation in any contractual agreement... hence criminal in nature and if proven in a court of law becomes subject to jail time or fines which, if say guilty of 20,000,000 counts or so, amounts to either several life sentences or one hell of a lot more than gift certificates.
  

       Talk to a lawyer then. Just be aware they charge you - you bore them to death for free like you do here.
a1, Jan 15 2022
  

       Hahhaha Jail time. There is no way the likes of Zukerberg are ever going to do jail time. In America especially the ultra rich are always above the law. They own the law, Trump being the perfect example.
xenzag, Jan 15 2022
  

       Well see, there's your problem right there.   

       When there's no accountability... then power shifts to non-men.
Real men would never allow such a thing.
"Real" men assume responsibility for their actions without prompting.
  

       So just how many real men are left amongst all of the CEO's and talking heads?.. and I don't mean the band.   

       //If you really want to know who's listening or not, try sending a secure email or text message that describes in convincing detail the plans for a fictitious terrorist attack, then see what happens. Good luck to those who think no one listens to anything, or that encrypted messages can't be read as if they are plain text. Organisations like MI5/MI6 will descend on you like vampires in the middle of the night.//   

       I do recall a recent case where the Feds pleaded with Apple to provide them with a backdoor decryption option for a really legitimate legal case. They declined. The security is harder than you think to crack.
RayfordSteele, Jan 15 2022
  

       // I didn’t sign anything. //   

       You don’t need to “sign” anything in ink. Your continued use of the service constitutes implicit consent.   

       // I’m sure even tne fine print didn’t include blah blah blah … mandatory ..l third party … blah blah blah //   

       Did you ever actually read the Alexa terms of use? Linked. Lots of third party affiliation and data sharing. All of these are mandatory, and again - your consent is implied by continue use of the service - and you can opt out at any time by NOT using the service.   

       But please, do consult a lawyer. As long as you pay them they’ll nod blandly and not be likely tell you when you’re being foolish.
a1, Jan 15 2022
  

       I ain't hiring no lawyers for that shit. I got bigger fish to fry, but somebody should... I believe such things fall within the wheelhouse of the offices of prosecution not the general public.   

       Yes written into varying laws so that it can only be entirely their wheelhouse I believe.
Go figure.
  

       Oh my God, it's only in democratic countries that even a snowball's chance in hell existed for 'real' people to count, and we're all on the cusp of that going bye-bye.   

       Well shit.   

       The pendulum will eventually swing.
I have enjoyed the company of every one of you and will continue to do so for as long as we have together.
  

       Until then I will prepare for the worst while hoping for the best. Who knows? Might even get through the shit I see coming...   

       ...but fuck that's getting tiring.   

       Can't you non-men asswipes in power get your fucking shit together and do things other than stroke your dicks?   

       Y'know... like "REAL" fucking men?   

       Accountable.   

       Every single time any decision any of you make which has the possibility of impacting or affecting 'my' life you need to ask yourself;   

       How would I respond if another individual had dared do that to me?
It's simple.
  

       What would an insanely wealthy family member do to me if they discovered that I had bugged their private rooms and sold the contents of their private conversations?   

       Well...   

       ...y'all might want to start thinking about how decisions you make might affect my life.
Near as I can tell, retribution is individual and origin specific... and ten fold at that.
  

       Crazy I know... but whatthefuckyougonnado?   

       Fuck around. Find out. Just sayin.   

       //The security is harder than you think to crack.// Of course they're not going to admit they have cracked the code. No one ever does that. Compromised codes are replaced and you have to start all over again. Example: the cracking of the Nazi's Enigma code by the British at Bletchley during WW2. This remained one of the most closely guarded secrets of the war.
xenzag, Jan 15 2022
  

       I sympathize with the goal here, but I think [a1] is right that it's not really an HB idea.   

       Be that as it may, the best legal line of attack would probably be via the EU's GDPR; if you can prove that a company doing business in that jurisdiction is in breach of that regulation, the fines for that could make their eyes water a bit (I think they automatically scale with the size of the offending company). Are there any 'bakers there? We used to have [zeno] in the Netherlands, and maybe [django] was from Belgium (not sure about that one), and someone - was it [wagster]? - decamped to the Irish Republic. Other than that, we might have missed our chance.
pertinax, Jan 15 2022
  

       The EU regulator has told me that they can do nothing about Facebook deleting all my data. I'm not wealthy enough to take Zukerberg to court, so I just have to accept the loss of the conversations I exchanged via messenger with 4 now dead friends among many others. Repeated very polite letters to Nick Clegg (Facebook's new mouthpiece) are also ignored.
xenzag, Jan 15 2022
  

       Ah, yes; I think the GDPR is for when they keep information that you wanted them to discard, not the other way around. Sorry - that's a different problem.
pertinax, Jan 15 2022
  

       [Mindey] is in the EU.   

       Listen. Until you've read more and understand more than I have on the math and science of cryptography, (which is quite a lot thank you due to the nature of my job) just accept what I'm telling you for a change. Just for goddamned once. Sorry it doesn't square with your lazy conspiracy narrative.   

       If it were easier, the SolarWinds hack wouldn't have been the big news that it was, because there would've been a more direct hack method.
RayfordSteele, Jan 15 2022
  

       //I sympathize with the goal here, but I think [a1] is right that it's not really an HB idea.//   

       He's not, it is, but I've changed the title to make it clearer. This is a process or method. Use of particular words to smoke out and track microphone spying mechanisms.   

       Somebody else has thought of this fairly recently, shown the a1's article referring to this idea as "ingenious" but it's not a "let's all". However in a1's defense he did drop that and change it to baked when he saw his first attempt to have me take down an idea was ludicrous.
doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022
  

       No, I usually take down ideas that have been baked, but if it's you doing the MFD I'll never indulge your weird obsession with ruining people's fun and I'll leave it up just to piss you off.   

       And don't get smug, your first MFD was a "let's all" then you admitted it wasn't a "let's all" but a "known to exist".
doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022
  

       //we could quibble//   

       Go ahead and "quibble" all you want, just not with me. As I've said many times before, your interest in communicating with me for some reason is not reciprocated.   

       Think of this as a coctail bar where people talk and have fun, but I'm the guy you keep trying to strike up a conversation with who keeps throwing his drink in your face every time you walk across the bar to try to talk to him. You might want to talk to somebody and find out why you keep walking over to me and trying to engage. "Hey, that guy I keep trying to talk to keeps throwing his drink in my face, I think I'll go over again, and again, and again."   

       Sometimes people don't like each other so they avoid each other. It's perfectly normal and acceptable. A true intellectual would just accept this, let it go and move on.   

       Demonstrate how brilliant you are by doing just that.   

       Please.
doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022
  

       Wow, doctor. Nice attitude.
Voice, Jan 15 2022
  

       Voice, look at who started it. This guy's an obnoxious troll.   

       I never bother him yet he obsessively attacks my ideas, MFD for patently dumb reasons, nasty comments. I've asked him again and again to just enjoy himself here without being a jerk and he seems to consider that some kind of challenge.   

       Can we just try to be nice to each other? Is that so hard?   

       If somebody's nasty to me they're getting it right back.
doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022
  

       aaaand you're back.   

       You really need to stop obsessing about me. I assure you I never think about you.   

       Try it. You'll sleep better at night.
doctorremulac3, Jan 15 2022
  

       //[Mindey] is in the EU//   

       Good point. So there's hope.
pertinax, Jan 15 2022
  

       // Can we just try to be nice to each other? Is that so hard? //   

       Doc, I apologize. I should have immediately acknowledged your feelings about the MFD instead of arguing. I’ve deleted my original quick take and some of the other remarks that apparently offended you.   

       That said, here are my thoughts about the idea itself, devoid of any personal issues: Conceptually WKTE, and specifically outlined in public media before you posted your version.   

       In a general, seeding false information to catch spies is as old as espionage itself. In modern times, similar tests to yours are common. By coincidence, there was news coverage (linked) a couple month ago of a TikTok commentator describing an identical test. His differed only in providing more and better details about how online snooping actually works.
a1, Jan 17 2022
  

       Hey! I want my entertainment! [marked-for-duel]
Voice, Jan 18 2022
  

       "I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid."
a1, Jan 18 2022
  

       You're all wrong
pocmloc, Jan 18 2022
  

       Well I just paid!
RayfordSteele, Jan 19 2022
  

       No you didn't
Voice, Jan 19 2022
  

       He did... just not what you think he paid for.   

       Ah hah! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH! Gotcha!
a1, Jan 19 2022
  

       Wait a minute, I think you're reading my character's lines... let's start again from the top...
RayfordSteele, Jan 19 2022
  

       Yeah, I switched channels to "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" Should be familiar to Brits and Americans alike.
a1, Jan 20 2022
  

       Drew Carey is utterly alien to both, but I could see him wearing polka dot clown shoes. Maybe it would make his tenure on TPIR better.
RayfordSteele, Jan 21 2022
  
      
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