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Touch Screen Surgery

I can remove that appendix from my living room
 
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A large touch screen linked to a robotic surgery team such that the doctor, clad in jammies, fuzzy cap and bunny slippers can direct an operation using his index finger and on-screen menus while sipping coffee at home.
whatrock, Oct 10 2023

Telerobotic Remote Surgical Service https://www.ncbi.nl...rticles/PMC1356984/
This was a new idea - twenty years ago. [a1, Oct 10 2023]

The Sturgeon https://poe.com/s/1tb8WFqSOKcDCeFT4FB1
AI generated image [Voice, Oct 16 2023]

Not a touchscreen https://www.3dsyste...ptics-devices/touch
Surgeon needs something like this at home. [neutrinos_shadow, Oct 17 2023]

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       Remotely operated surgery is a very old idea [-], although the point is usually to get a surgeon who otherwise would be unavailable and to avoid contamination.
Voice, Oct 13 2023
  

       [-] on reflection, I'm also giving this a fishbone. Not because telesurgery is an old idea, but because a touchscreen is a bad implementation.
a1, Oct 13 2023
  

       Some surgical precision requires interpretation of personal anatomy that AI isn't yet ready for, so no "click here to remove the tumor" quite yet. Progetting there eventually though.
RayfordSteele, Oct 13 2023
  

       Why do you have an appendix in your living room?
pertinax, Oct 14 2023
  

       You have a point there. He need only remove the books in question. No need for a team of sturgeons.
Voice, Oct 15 2023
  

       I sea what you did there... you did it on porpoise.   

       [Voice] that is a stupid solution, because you most likely actually want the main body of the book (if you didn't then 1. you would likely not have brought the book into your living room in the first place, and 2. you would most likely request the removal of the book, not specifying only one part of it). In that case removing the appendices is the logical thing to do, and in most books this can most effectively done by slicing using a fine edged weapon^H^H^H^H^H^H tool
pocmloc, Oct 15 2023
  

       Although I cannot state from experience of having owned one I would suspect that an image on said screen could be zoomed using the well-known two-finger, cell phone procedure such that the exact area to be incised, probed, removed, tied off, sutured, etc is clearly visible.   

       Of course, every command would be followed by a decision box ARE YOU SURE? Y/N.
whatrock, Oct 16 2023
  

       (assuming for now that this is a serious suggestion) I'd like to see examples of someone working a remote manipulator by way of a touchscreen, with the accuracy required. One of the early concerns of other remote surgery techniques was the lack of tactile feedback - the surgeons needing not only to SEE what they're doing, but also FEEL it - y'know, exactly how much pressure to apply.
a1, Oct 16 2023
  

       There was a fascinating piece on a BBC radio programme recently ('Best Medicine' R4, 10/10/23) where they were talking about how ultrasonic frequencies can be used in VR controllers to mimic the feel of using a tool on different materials. They had a VR injection system to train people to inject anaesthetic into a patient's gums which allowed the user of this to feel the resistance as they pushed the needle into the gums.
hippo, Oct 16 2023
  

       [hippo], thanks, I'll look that up. I can see how it would help with a remote manipulator, where the surgeon's hand is working in 3D against this ersatz feedback. Still not sure how that would work with a touchscreen though.
a1, Oct 16 2023
  

       [a1] I think it wouldn't work with a touchscreen. It needs a more complex, richer UI, capable of showing 3D shapes in 3D and allowing the user to easily control the angle of view, and it also needs more precise, force-feedback controllers. So the device used in this programme used a VR headset, which would seem the minimum requirement for remote surgery.
hippo, Oct 16 2023
  

       I agree with you, that was the reason for my downvote originally. Telesurgery is old-hat and touchscreen would not improve it.
a1, Oct 16 2023
  

       Yes, a touchscreen UI might be suitable for an application that is lower-stakes than surgery
hippo, Oct 16 2023
  
      
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