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sodium acetate crystallization tar sand oil

sodium acetate is the tweak the beaker sudden crystals at body temperature chemical you may have seen Use this crystallization then melting process to scrape tar sand oil from tar sand at body temperatures This highly amplifies the use of bacteria to grab oil from tar sand
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Sodium acetate is the tweak the beaker sudden crystals at body temperature chemical you may have seen Visit youtube to see how a flask of fluid suddenly crystallizes at a tone or tap

Use this crystallization then melting process to scrape tar sand oil from tar sand at body temperatures giving bacteria a fresh nutrient surface gives them greater processing capacity I think that crystal motion which with water is known as "frost heave" beneficially separates hydrocarbons from sand as a physical process as well This highly amplifies the use of bacteria to grab oil from tar sand

Chemical EN magazine notes that bacteria are now five times better at grabbing energetically valuable oil from tar sands like those of Canada than during 1999 I think that repeated microscraping of the tar sands with sodium acetate at living bacterial temps could double the efficiency of the bacteria as the fresh oil surface is continually produced near the reactor nterface

I'm thinking a slurry of acetate tar sand has evaporative edges creating crystals that scrape off oil plus refresh tar sand surface Nearer the center would be the bacteria

I've seen torus shaped reactors that are like a fluidized bed at the sides yet have a different aspect at their middle

beanangel, Dec 23 2008

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This is what I thought of when I read this idea. I agree with what [MaxwelllBuchanan] said. Please provide some periods, and add links to explain how oil can crystallize, because this idea currently appears to use bad science and is difficult to read. [sninctown, Dec 24 2008]

sodium acetate crystallizing http://www.youtube....watch?v=S7Ywz1Q07Yg
[beanangel, Dec 24 2008]

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       Whoa! Crystallize a full stop from somewhere.   

       So the idea is to sodium acetate to cling to oil as it crystallizes? What kind of mass of NaOAc do you need to 'pick up' a particular volume of oil?
Jinbish, Dec 23 2008
  

       Is this for injecting sodium acetate into the tar sands, removing the sands, separating by agitation, and then removing the sodium acetate by heat?
Zimmy, Dec 23 2008
  

       How much sodium acetate? You don't want to kill your bacteria, nor do you want salt and vinegar flavoured oil at the end of it.
hazel, Dec 23 2008
  

       This is so illiterate as to be actually rude to potential readers.
MaxwellBuchanan, Dec 24 2008
  

       Are you suggesting that adding a supersaturated salt solution would melt tar? Without more information I'm just guessing you posted this while stoned and my [marked-for-deletion]:(not an invention) will mercifully remove this mar to your reputation.
WcW, Dec 24 2008
  

       So, if I post "Molecular structures bind binding inhibits - use these to kinetic to kinetic and cancer!", can I count on helpful annotators to turn it into an invention?
MaxwellBuchanan, Dec 24 2008
  

       I appreciate the responses   

       I'm thinking a slurry of acetate plus tar sand that has evaporative edges creating crystals that scrape off oil plus refresh tar sand surface Nearer the center would be the bacteria   

       I've seen torus shaped reactors that are like a fluidized bed at the sides yet have a different aspect at their middle
beanangel, Dec 24 2008
  

       "Sodium acetate is the tweak "

huh? Sodium acetate is a chemical, tweak is a verb. This is like saying "water is the jump"

"the beaker sudden crystals at body temperature chemical"

Are you talking about beakers, as in laboratory flasks? A beaker doesn't do anything. Crystal is a noun. What is a body temperature chemical?

"you may have seen Visit"

Who is Visit?

"youtube to see how a flask of fluid suddenly crystallizes at a tone"

You seem to be saying that there exists a Youtube video of some substance crystalyzing when a sound is made. Is that what you're saying?

"or tap"

Are you saying that a the shock of tapping a beaker can make the substance contained therein solitify into a crystal?

"Use this crystallization"

What crystallization?

"then melting process"

Your idea somehow incorporates melting something. "to scrape tar sand oil from tar sand at body temperatures." I could understand that.

"giving bacteria a fresh nutrient surface"Bacteria have "nutrient surfaces"? Do tell me more about these "nutrient surfaces."

"gives them greater processing capacity"

These bacteria are processing something? And their capacity can be improved?

" I think that crystal motion"

You lost me again. What is "crystal motion?"

"which with water is known as "frost heave"

What is "frost heave"?

"beneficially separates hydrocarbons from sand as a physical process" Something called "frost heave" seperates hydrocarbons from sand?

"as well This highly amplifies the use of bacteria to grab oil from tar sand"

"Chemical EN magazine notes that bacteria are now five times better at grabbing energetically valuable oil from tar sands like those of Canada"

Okay, better at it than what?

"than during 1999"

Do you mean a process that involves bacteria is better than a process used in Canada circa 1999?

"I think that repeated microscraping of the tar sands with sodium acetate"

What is microscraping? How does sodium acetate do this?

"at living bacterial temps could double the efficiency of the bacteria"

You are saying that living bacteria are twice as efficient as dead ones, right?

"as the fresh oil surface is continually produced near the reactor nterface" What kind of reactor are you talking about? What is a reactor interface?

"I'm thinking a slurry of acetate tar sand has evaporative edges"

What is "acetate tar sand?" What is a slurry of it? What is an evaporative edge?

"creating crystals that scrape off oil plus refresh tar sand surface"

You want to form crystals that scrape oil off of sand? What is a tar sand surface? Do you speak of the surface of each grain of sand? How is a tar sand surface refreshed?

"Nearer the center would be the bacteria "

You've lost me completely. The center of what? What bacteria?

"I've seen torus shaped reactors that are like a fluidized bed at the sides yet have a different aspect at their middle"

What reactor? What kind of aspect are you talking about?
Voice, Dec 25 2008
  

       Supersaturated liquid sodium acetate will crystallize into a form that looks just like ice (called "hot ice") in an exothermic (heat releasing) reaction when agitated.   

       I don't see how that would help though, other than providing heat for the bacteria. I don't quite follow this. How do bacteria "grab oil from tar sand"? I've heard of bacteria that eats oil, but that's different.
Spacecoyote, Dec 25 2008
  

       I'm convinced he (is male and) lives in the States (and he's not my sock puppet - i have no sock puppets). Whether his first language is English or not is another question.   

       Putting this anno through Babelfish into Chinese and back again gets me this:   

       I' m convinced him (is male and) in the condition (and he' Life; s my sock puppet - I have not had the sock puppet). Whether his first language English is another question.   

       (The truth value of my anno changed when i put it through Babelfish)   

       Concerning the idea, i think he's saying that adding certain microbes to tar sand separates the oil.
nineteenthly, Dec 27 2008
  

       I think you're right, [UB]. The trouble with my exegesis is that it only makes sense if you omit the important words.
nineteenthly, Dec 27 2008
  

       I'm not into sodiumizing my acetate. I'm straight.   

       el dueno
el dueno, Dec 27 2008
  

       [be]" I think the key thing with that sudden crystalization is a supersaturated solution of sodium acetate in a very very clean vessel. State changes like to have substrates - witness the phenomenon of "bumping" - overflow of your pot of gently boiling water on adding a solid, like delicious oatmeal.   

       I suspect that as regards crystallization, dropping a grain of sand into that beaker would set it off even better than a tap or a tone. I think the presence of sand will prevent the supersaturated state of the sodium acetate.   

       The frost heave / hydrocarbon interaction bears further discussion. I can imagine this process concentrating hydrocarbons. My problem is that I am not entirely clear about the interaction between tar and sand: how the sand retains the tar, and whether the tar/sand combination would be heavier than water. It may be that the crystals of ice simply exclude both tar and sand, with no net benefit as regards the need to seperate tar from sand.
bungston, Dec 29 2008
  

       [edit: removed spiteful remarks, with apologies]   

       At least this idea gives us a game where we try to add the minimum of punctuation to make the idea syntactically correct. Until that's done, it's semantics are indeterminate.   

       Here's my turn at the game (summary only):   

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       Sodium acetate is the "tweak-the-beaker, sudden-crystals- at-body-temperature" chemical [that] you may have seen. Use this "crystallization-then-melting" process to scrape tar sand oil from tar sand at body temperatures. This highly amplifies the use[fulness] of bacteria [which] grab oil from tar sand.   

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       As you can see, the main trick is that any substring that makes no obvious sense is likely to be an adjectival phrase, or series of adjectival phrases, qualifiying a following noun. Though the syntactic role of these phrases is adjectival, they may be cunningly disguised as clauses (with their own verbs), or as noun phrases. The second trick is to add relative pronouns from time to time. These two tricks will help you to deduce where the full stops (US - periods) ought to be.   

       [edit: removed spiteful remarks, with apologies]
pertinax, Dec 30 2008
  
      
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