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Eat this, you fat slob

Eat food and lose weight
 
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The main reason poor people are fat in Western societies is they eat too much. Brilliant deduction! But one of the main reasons they eat too much is they're hungry. I must be butter because I'm on a roll! But the main reason they're hungry is that they are malnourished. The food poor people choose is very high in carbs and very low in protein, fat(often enough) and fiber. It happens these things are what makes you feel like you've eaten. It would be nice to get them to eat veggies too, but one problem at a time.

Preaching at people to eat properly clearly isn't working. Here is something that will help. This tasteless food bar would be given out free to the poor. It would contain bulk fat, protein, and fiber. One bar would contain one meal's worth. (not a meal's worth of calories, just those three things) Otherwise it would be designed to be cheap to manufacture. To avoid abuse it's important that it taste neither unpleasant nor in any way delicious. The idea is that a person would simply add one food bar to each meal and thereby be likely to eat fewer calories. Bonus: reduced cardiovascular disease. Bonus: better health in general. Bonus: more focus on the important aspects of nutrition without making people feel bad.

Edit: //why then is the proposed bar "tasteless" and "not in any way delicious//

In no way do I think the poor shouldn't be fed proper food. But since that's not happening we can at least let be less malnourished. Make these food bars delicious and you'll defeat the purpose: they're not designed to be a food substitute. Make them delicious and you'll have people malnourished and fat because they're eating too much fiber, fat, and protein.Whole food bars are a different substance for a different purpose. I reiterate: //The idea is that a person would simply add one food bar to each meal and thereby be likely to eat fewer calories//

Voice, Feb 28 2023

Map of food scarcity https://www.ers.usd...as/go-to-the-atlas/
How far are you from a decent grocery store? [a1, Feb 28 2023]

Let them eat turnips https://theconversa...ed-vegetable-201007
Long article, but look for note about “poore people in Wales” prior to 17th century [a1, Mar 02 2023]

Tax The Ultrarich To Solve Poverty? Easier Said Than Done https://www.npr.org...sier-said-than-done
"Proper taxation is important, but it's one thing among many that we need to do to address poverty," says Vijaya Ramachandran, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development. [a1, Mar 02 2023]

Canada gold reserves == zero https://www.canada....serves/2022/01.html
[a1, Mar 03 2023]

Rich https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rich-2
Don't you think that money could be used to solve hunger? [a1, Mar 03 2023]

TAX THE RICH! https://www.bbc.com...-us-canada-64837119
Face it, AOC is as worthy of mockery as the orange man. But a lot better looking. [a1, Mar 03 2023]

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       Of course the very poor and people who don't care would make the bulk of their diet these food bars, but that's not going to be any less healthy than what they're already eating.
Voice, Feb 28 2023
  

       Affordable healthy food is plentiful. People just need to have cooking and nutrition included as a vital component in their early age education process. Combine that with a sugar tax so that drinks like coca cola no longer contain up to 20 spoonfulls of sugar and you’re part way there. America is the second richest country in the world but has the fattest population. The UK isn’t far behind them. Wealth distribution is another major factor but if you want to change what people do, the best way is to change how they think about what they do. Having said all that, I approve of the radical thinking behind the idea +
xenzag, Feb 28 2023
  

       // Affordable healthy food is plentiful //   

       [xenzag] beat me to it. When I first had to shop for and prepare my own food, I became mostly a vegetarian because I found it easier and cheaper.   

       I think a bigger reason for low-income obesity is not that good food is too expensive - but it can harder to find. Full service, well stocked grocery stores are less common in poor neighborhoods, while convenience stores selling cheap crap abound.
a1, Feb 28 2023
  

       Coming soon to a theatre near you--'Glyphosate in America', the movie that explains the obesity epidemic!   

       The average diet of poor folks (most of the US and 2/3 of Canada) includes lots of carbs, primarily grains, and protein from 'carbs' such as beans and lentils. Pulses, grains and most vegetables are sprayed with glyphosate an average of 6 times during their lifecycle.   

       Glyphosate is a crop spray that acts as a pesticide/ soil conditioner during growth, and as a desiccant at harvest. As you can imagine, eating a toxic pesticide-desiccant on nearly everything consumed is probably doing things like making the body retain water and fat to buffer the toxins. This in turn puts extra stress on all the other organs and systems.   

       If made with glyphosate-free protein and fiber, this bar could be used as a healing food.
Sgt Teacup, Feb 28 2023
  

       Calorie for calorie carbs cost way, way less than vegetables. I see it a lot, that it costs less or the same to eat healthy food, and I honestly can't figure out whether I'm living in an alternate reality and communicating over the internet via some kind of interuniverse portal. Where I live I can buy enough rice (or bread, or pasta, or corn, or potatoes) to keep the hunger away for x monetary units, and enough meat and vegetables to serve the same propose costs at least 3x, but generally 5x. This is for the least expensive available meat and vegetables, mind you. Think "chicken and off brand canned vegetables", not "steak and fresh vegetables"

I could switch to just beans and rice for a cost of 1.3x but then I would get appetite fatigue and starve. Bottom dollar for reasonably complete nutrition aside from fiber is protein powder, rice, and vitamin/mineral pills for 1.5x

I think people who say it costs less to eat healthy have never really had to decide between food and some other necessity.
Voice, Feb 28 2023
  

       Rica and beans ARE staples at our house. Along with eggs, cheese, nuts, and lots and lots of fruit and veggies.   

       Your actual food cost would vary of course by where you live. I respect your privacy and won't ask for your zip code - but how far is it from your house to the nearest Walmart / Kroger / Safeway / Albertsons / whatever major grocery chain is closest?
a1, Feb 28 2023
  

       The nearest relatively low-cost grocery store is very convenient to get to for me. But I'm not talking about my own problems. I'm disputing the idea that in general for the poor it doesn't cost way less to eat carbs.
Voice, Feb 28 2023
  

       I've found that eating healthy is more expensive. Carbs are cheap and, let's face it, practical. The agricultural revolution built civilization, you couldn't have cities if everybody was a hunter gatherer. Agriculture, primarily growing grains, but including raising farm animals, was what allowed some portion of a civilization do to stuff other than hunt for food all day. Some could make pots to hold the grain, some could tally the number of pots and use the first writing on those pots to say whose grain it was. Some could transport that grain, some could specialize in making bread from it. Eventually this revolution allowed people to be so specialized that a few actually got the job of walking on the moon. Wouldn't have happened if we were still hunter gatherers. But that doesn't mean we should get away from what we evolved to eat.   

       So a carb rich diet is better than starving, but we still didn't evolve to eat grain, (especially when infused with sugar to make it addicting to increase sales) we evolved to eat what hunter gatherers eat, meat and the occasional fruit and even less occasional vegetable.   

       Like I've always said, if you want to figure out what to feed a dolphin, ask what they evolved to eat. High fructose corn syrup infused, super vitamin enriched, crunchy dolphin snack treats or fish?   

       Same with us. Eat what we evolved to eat, and if an industry that grows a certain product makes a "food pyramid" telling you to eat 8 to 11 servings of their product every day, well, don't.
doctorremulac3, Feb 28 2023
  

       // Along with eggs, cheese, nuts, and lots and lots of fruit and veggies. //

Then clearly you're not among the poor I'm aiming to help with this proposal.
Voice, Feb 28 2023
  

       There was a food called "Plumpy Nut" created for distribution in malnourished areas. (not a "baked", I don't do that) Might make some kind of a variation of that.
doctorremulac3, Feb 28 2023
  

       // I'm disputing the idea that in general for the poor it doesn't cost way less to eat carbs. //   

       When you put it that way - sure. You can fill up on junk food for way le$$ than it costs to eat a healthier meal. And it's not just carbs that are the bogey man there. As you pointed out there's a lot of fat, salt, and a lack of protein and other nutrients in that poor person's diet.   

       But I don't know if giving out bland, tasteless food bars - no matter how nutritious - will shift anyone's behavior. Maybe better to put more restrictions on how food stamps* can be used?   

       * "Foodstamps" ~~ Called SNAP payments in USA, dunno what similar programs are called elsewhere.
a1, Feb 28 2023
  

       // I don't know if giving out bland, tasteless food bars - no matter how nutritious - will shift anyone's behavior//

The idea isn't to make them start eating vegetables and beans, or start cooking. The idea is to make them feel less hungry so they eat less of the junk they do eat.
Voice, Feb 28 2023
  

       Poor eating will still be a hard habit to break. And giving them something tasteless won't help that. "ugh, this meal bar might be good for me, but it's no bag of Doritos!"
a1, Feb 28 2023
  

       Again, it's not to stop them from buying all the Doritos they're going to buy. It's to give them a way to eat fewer, not because they don't like Doritos, but because they're not hungry. They can have their food bar and their Doritos too. The idea is not to change habits, not at first. It's to modify the hunger cues that give them bad habits. It's free and it doesn't taste bad so why not have a food bar with those Doritos?
Voice, Feb 28 2023
  

       I personally know some people who will reach for the bag of Doritos even when they're full. Not out of hunger - just a craving from habit.
a1, Feb 28 2023
  

       I do it when I'm stressed. :-( It's not entirely unwise from an evolutionary standpoint. If you're worried about that tiger lurking about it's a good idea to have an easy source of blood sugar already in your belly/bloodstream. Hell even if your source of stress is your boss -- if you're a cavemen -- it might be a good idea in case you need to to fight. That's the problem with modern society: not enough bloodshed.
Voice, Feb 28 2023
  

       It's people, isn't it?
21 Quest, Mar 01 2023
  

       // That's the problem with modern society: not enough bloodshed. //   

       Concur! But suggest fisticuffs - even figuratively - in the workplace or online, and somehow people think you're evil.
a1, Mar 01 2023
  

       //It's people, isn't it?//   

       [marked-for-tagline]   

       //add one food bar to each meal//   

       So what you're proposing is a fat-protein-fibre equivalent of a vitamin supplement.   

       It's supposed to trigger the bodies own mechanisms to induce a feeling of fullness so people will eat a little less .. but isn't this idea already fully baked by the diet industry in the content of brands of bulking agents and other supplements far too numerous to list? .. I feel sure it must be .. which then only leaves you with "make it cheap for the poor" which is more of a WIBNI than an idea and must have been said before.
Skewed, Mar 01 2023
  

       //it's not to stop them from buying all the Doritos .. It's to give them a way to eat fewer//   

       So you think anyone will buy Doritos they're not going to eat? ;p .. in this instance eating fewer and buying fewer are the same thing and can be used interchangeably in place of each other.
Skewed, Mar 01 2023
  

       //I personally know some people who will reach for the bag of Doritos even when they're full//   

       Everyone does, and everyone does it, it's the difference between appetite and hunger.
Skewed, Mar 01 2023
  

       //It's people, isn't it?//   

       A bun for the soilent green reference if I could ;) it is a soilent green reference, isn't it?
Skewed, Mar 01 2023
  

       Naturally!
21 Quest, Mar 01 2023
  

       The reasons for people to eat an unhealthy diet are complex.   

       If you're working 3 very low-paid jobs to try and make ends meet, chances are you don't have time to shop and cook between shifts. You end up grabbing the cheapest ready-made fast food you can afford from wherever is open.   

       If you are constantly stressed by your straightened financial situation, you may comfort-eat cheap sweet things that remind you of happier days.   

       If you can only barely afford enough food, you aren't going to risk making something new that your kids might dislike or refuse to eat, or that might go wrong and be ruined.   

       If you are forever having to move from one rented room to another you may not own enough equipment to prep food with. You might only have access to a kettle and a microwave in a bedsit. So it's cup ramen for dinner again.   

       One thing that is *guaranteed* not to help AT ALL however, is to shame people for their situation by giving them deliberately unpalatable cheap food "for the fat poors" whilst sneering at them.   

       [-] and I would give multiple bones were I able to do so.
prufrax, Mar 01 2023
  

       The bone is fair enough, but on my honor there is no hint of sneer on my face or heart.
Voice, Mar 02 2023
  

       So why then is the proposed bar "tasteless" and "not in any way delicious"?
prufrax, Mar 02 2023
  

       Why tasteless, not delicious? [Voice] said “to prevent abuse.” Certainly more succinct than Ben Franklin put it:   

       “I am for doing good to the poor, but I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”   

       I don’t think [Voice]’s suggestion will help overall, but that’s how I read the bit about the meal bars not being very tasty.
a1, Mar 02 2023
  

       // but on my honor there is no hint of sneer on my face or heart. //   

       Calling the poor “fat slobs” though? Even if meant sarcastically, to grab attention and provoke discussion - it doesn’t help sell the plan.
a1, Mar 02 2023
  

       //One thing that is *guaranteed* not to help AT ALL however, is to shame people for their situation by giving them deliberately unpalatable cheap food "for the fat poors" whilst sneering at them.//
--prufrax
  

       //The bone is fair enough, but on my honor there is no hint of sneer on my face or heart.//
--<Voice>
  

       I certainly read it as a compassionate attempt, but to be fair to prufrax - the title does strongly suggest otherwise. Even though I don't think that's how it was intended.   

       So there are already several 'complete foods' on the market, such as Huel (a powder you make up into a slurry), and MealSquares (a sort of square cakey looking slab). I believe they're designed to be mildly pleasant to eat, filling, but not delicious.
They're not cheap, but I think that's because they're selling to the geek market, as a way to avoid worrying about what to eat. A much larger demand would presumably bring the cost down.
  

       The consensus seems to be that these work quite well for managing weight, so I find the concept proposed plausible - it would just be a case of political will and technical optimisation.
Loris, Mar 02 2023
  

       If I were proposing food for the poor I would propose a global food card program as exists for only some in the US. It would provide compensation to vendors for 5x monetary units worth of food for each and every living human.
Voice, Mar 02 2023
  

       // provide compensation to vendors for 5x monetary units worth of food for each and every living human. //   

       As I said to someone on another subject, I'd like to see the math on this one. Are you handing out "real" food or just MRE's, survival rations? Are you handing out "real" food or just MRE's, survival rations? What sustains this global production and redistribution of food? What does it do to market prices?
a1, Mar 02 2023
  

       //Are you handing out "real" food or just MREs//

I'm handing out money, and I'm handing it only to food vendors.

//What sustains this global production and redistribution of food?//

Capitalism

//What does it do to market prices?//

Additional demand raises prices, necessitating a higher payout until the system reaches an equilibrium. Land, farm labor, fertilizer, and the like all cost more relative to other goods somewhat reducing the global standard of living, and this is in addition to the cost of the program.
Voice, Mar 02 2023
  

       Where is the money coming from?
a1, Mar 02 2023
  

       A new tax on whatever can be taxed. Did you think I would say "rainbows and unicorns"?
Voice, Mar 02 2023
  

       "Tax the rich, feed the poor, 'til there are no rich no more..."   

       I'd Love To Change The World
Ten Years After, Alvin Lee
1971
a1, Mar 02 2023
  

       Yeah, I get that's where you're coming from but the thing is, you're wrong. The rich can easily afford to feed the poor.
Voice, Mar 02 2023
  

       I've heard that before. See third link.
a1, Mar 02 2023
  

       I would prefer to discuss only this proposal for now. UBI and general income distribution are a different topic. Also I didn't specify the ultra rich, although they should certainly pay the majority of this.
Voice, Mar 02 2023
  

       I don't think you can focus on "only this proposal." If you intend it to be global in scope it impacts every sector of the economy.
a1, Mar 02 2023
  

       //I didn't specify the ultra rich, although they should certainly pay the majority of this//   

       They're a soft target and the target of choice when talking about this sort of thing but there simply aren't enough of them to "pay the majority of this" (where "this" is the current idea to solve world hunger poverty or what-have-you), or the ones there are aren't ultra rich enough, either or, take your pick there ;) .. the honest truth is the "majority" of the finance for any project like this will have to come from what a great many would consider the "middle classes".   

       [Ponders]   

       Which I'd argue is fair enough..   

       There's a large chunk of them vastly overpaid for work of very little real or intrinsic value after all.   

       [Ponders some more]   

       Particularly in the media and associated industries..   

       Often enough seemingly just to preach at & tell people what they're doing wrong & why they're poor..   

       Taxing those a bit more (read "a lot") should probably be considered a service to humanity..   

       Might help shut them up ;)
Skewed, Mar 02 2023
  

       sounds glib but...
Tax the wealthy, you want to be wealthy?, fine, wealthy is costly.
Reintroduce the Gold standard.
Require banks to hold in reserve gold for every dollar in circulation like they used to.
No citizenship, no property ownership.
  

       Problems solved.   

       [2_Fries], are you sure you want Canada to return to a gold standard? The government sold off all of their gold reserves a few years ago. 2015 or 16, I think. I’d have to look it up.   

       a moment later - linked.
a1, Mar 03 2023
  

       Dude, all countries sold off their gold just before world banks granted themselves power to hold only 10% of what's lent out leading to our current inflationary crisis.   

       There's no gold left to back this Ponzi scheme.   

       It's very simple.   

       Wake up for fuck sake.   

       ...or do you think the next round of fake viral fire drills will fix things?   

       //I don't think you can focus on "only this proposal." If you intend it to be global in scope it impacts every sector of the economy.//

Sure I can. The global economic impact is significant, but you're claiming the whole system would come falling down. That not being the case it's not necessary to discuss global- economy- devastating- possibilities. I'm proposing something that can be done and you're saying "It can't be done because if we did ALL THIS OTHER MARGINALLY RELATED STUFF it would wreck all the everything"
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       // there simply aren't enough of them to "pay the majority of this" (where "this" is the current idea to solve world hunger poverty)//

I don't think you understand how rich the ultra-rich are. The Rothchild family alone has about ten trillion dollars. Yes, trillion.
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       Holy shit.   

       How come the commies aren't going after them?   

       Curious, have the Rothchilds ever bankrolled communist revolutions? I know they were among the biggest funders of WWI, the "War To End All Wars" (tm) copyright, all rights reserved) I'm not saying they have, but that's a lot of corrupt old money to be off limits to the commie revolutionaries.
doctorremulac3, Mar 03 2023
  

       What you dismiss as "marginally related stuff" is neither marginal nor trivial. Let's say you want to produce enough of your meal bars to distribute at least one a day to every person on the planet who is suffering from malnutrition. You need to do at least this much related stuff-   

       - Figure out how to economically source raw materials and turn them into your meal bars.   

       - Decide how many you need. A formidable research project in itself, but let's pretend we did that and came up with a number of 10% of the world's 8bn people - let's call that 800,000,000 bars a day.   

       - Set up manufacturing and distribution for that many. They couldn't come all from one central facility, shirley, so you'll need lots of sites worldwide. Unlikely you can build all of those within convenient walking distance for everyone who needs the food.   

       - Distribute. 292bn meals distributed yearly (800mn * 365) worldwide might strain existing freight services.   

       - Collect money from those who will be paying for it, and pay to everyone in the supply chain. Few people in that supply chain will be among the people who most directly benefit from your program, so that's a heavy lift politically. Unless you budgeted a lot of overhead for kickbacks and somehow manage to keep that from sinking the whole program.   

       This barely scratches the surface.   

       I suggest you start small. Do the math (aarrgh, there's that word again!) to figure it would cost to do this for a single city or county, and figure out how much you have to tax the residents of that area to make it work.   

       Got a pilot location in mind? Todd County, South Dakota?
a1, Mar 03 2023
  

       Oh, the meal bars. I thought you were asking about the global food program I suggested in the comments. Yes the food bar thing is a different beast entirely. I was only suggesting food bars for the Western world, where poor people are fat. Although that is becoming the case almost everywhere, isn't it?

I'll probably address your comment later but for now I'll say these aren't meals but individual food bars containing only 1/3 of a day's fat, fiber, and protein per bar. Three bars should fit in the size of a largish granola bar, and they don't need napkins, tableware, spices, or anything like that. Wax paper should suffice for packaging. The food bar proposal is not the "feed the world" program some of you thought is was when you skimmed it.
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       //How come the commies aren't going after them?//

As far as I know they never kept much money under communist control.
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       I need to know more about these guys. Trillions of dollars sounds very weird considering I have no idea what they've added to society.   

       Who knows? Maybe they're the greatest creators of everything that's wonderful in the world. (except for that little WWI glitch) I sure hope so for that kind of payoff.
doctorremulac3, Mar 03 2023
  

       It's not evil to be rich, but being evil sure helps to get you rich. "in a pinch principles can be turned in for cold, hard cash".
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       Kind of my assumption as well. Funding WWI would have made Satan blush. (not that you'd be able to tell)   

       Okay, banking, buying up businesses and inbreeding.   

       I'm curious why the safety valve that keeps other families from running the planet didn't work with these guys. I'm talking about the rags to riches to rags again in 3 generations. Hard times create strong men, (The first rich Rothchild grew up in the ghetto) strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times.   

       Guess these guys really follow the rule book on not marrying outside the family, not blowing the family fortune and growing the family business.   

       Seems odd there isn't a few Hunter Bidens in the bloodlines but guess they've figured something out. Although I guess Hunter Biden is amazingly good at making money. Statement retracted.   

       I'll say this about banking, it is slavery, you buy people's lives and their labor goes to you, the lender. Thing is, capital can also be used for the benefit of the people using it.   

       Credit is like drugs. It can be useful, it can be destructive, but you should try to stay away from credit and drugs if possible.
doctorremulac3, Mar 03 2023
  

       The only safety valve is children of wealthy people not being appreciative and willing to work hard to maintain the fortune. So maybe Good old Nate Rothschild had the foresight to pick external parties to help manage the family fortune, the connections and intelligence to pick the right ones, and the good fortune to not be betrayed.
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       Are there lessons us working folk can apply to our families? Besides the inbreeding thing. Don't wanna get that disgusting Hapsburg lip thing going.   

       And I think that particular bloodline turned to shit if I remember correctly.
doctorremulac3, Mar 03 2023
  

       How long do kings maintain bloodlines? There was Henry the 8th and someone the 13th so there is precedent for the wealthy and powerful to maintain their family's wealth. And staying out of the spotlight and away from publicity, palaces, and peasants with pikes has to help.
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       The Rothchilds do seem to have done a pretty good job of keeping out of the spotlight. Might be a main survival strategy.   

       Comparing to, for instance, the British royals, I can't read the news without seeing some article about them. I won't insult them because a lot of Brits like them, and people who insult other country's entire populations are assholes, but they sure seem to do the opposite. Don't know how much of that's by their design.
doctorremulac3, Mar 03 2023
  

       // I was only suggesting food bars for the Western world, where poor people are fat. Although that is becoming the case almost everywhere, isn't it? //   

       Some might think so. I just saw a BBC headline: "More than half the world's population will be classed as obese or overweight by 2035" - and you know some folks minds will run with that not bothering to read or fact checking the article.   

       //individual food bars containing only 1/3 of a day's fat, fiber, and protein per bar ... Wax paper should suffice for packaging. //   

       From your earlier description they need to be no more palatable than wax paper, so perhaps you could skip the wrapping too.   

       Truly, they sound like some of the survival "snacks" I kept in the pockets of my flight suit. I wouldn't even feed those to the enemy,
a1, Mar 03 2023
  

       Ooh, now I'm skeered... if anyone is gonna natter on about commies, world wars, rothschilds, inbreeding, biden, and so forth, it's only a matter of time before someone mentions TRUM   

       (suddenly, a shot rings out!)   

       (fade to black)
a1, Mar 03 2023
  

       (scene fades back in after commercial break. figure lying on the floor tries to raise himself up, and gasps)   

       ...P!   

       (and collapses again)
a1, Mar 03 2023
  

       Cheers , congratulations, awards, and requests of no encore ever
Voice, Mar 03 2023
  

       Did someone say encore? But of course! -- said the performer with selective hearing.
a1, Mar 03 2023
  

       // When I first had to shop for and prepare my own food, I became mostly a vegetarian because I found it easier and cheaper. ... Rica and beans ARE staples at our house. Along with eggs, cheese, nuts, and lots and lots of fruit and veggies.//   

       Thought of this again yesterday. Wife is away visiting relatives, I'm grocery shopping for myself. She's an excellent cook and I'm not :D so I make simpler meals and my grocery list is a lot like it was fifty+ years ago.   

       Still seems cheap to me. Even at 98 cents a box of macaroni and cheese (one of my own "junk food" indulgences) is a bargain when I adjust for inflation. And I can make two meals out of that.   

       But I'm *mostly* eating healthier than that.
a1, Apr 25 2023
  
      
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